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I raise QJo from the HJ, 60/20 aggro looking guy who I just sat beside calls in the BB. Flop AAA he donks, I call intending to raise the next street FSD (for jackass factor, I suppose).

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A raise doesn't seem like a good idea here. Mainly because it could induce you to make an incorrect fold if he 3-bets you. I think those bets are better invested in a turn and river call UI.

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bc you put him on precisely king high and you are such a badass you can make him fold or you such a super heman badmofo that he will fold a pair?

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I don't like this either. Especially if the turn is a low card, he's probably not folding a King.

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call down ui...turn raise = bad

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bc you put him on precisely king high and you are such a badass you can make him fold or you such a super heman badmofo that he will fold a pair?

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something like that...

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Oh, I don't expect him to fold a king more than, like, maybe 10%. This is how I think: "if I'm putting 2BB in the pot I don't really see him going nuts on me with a worse hand if I 3 bet, so I may as well be a [censored]". In my experience, it pays to be a [censored]. I'm mostly expecting comments about how it's not worth it and I should just call down, and checking to see if anyone likes fastplaying the flop.

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I am a pretty bad mofo, though [img]/images/graemlins/tongue.gif[/img]

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Bryce,

I used to ascribe to the philosophy that "if it's breakeven EV wise it's always better to be a pain in the ass by raising" for metagame reasons etc, but after playing a high volume of hands in that style IMO it makes variance a tremendous headache, and opens you up to being outplayed in a large # of marginal situations by overaggro or very insightful players.

Surf

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Bryce,

I used to ascribe to the philosophy that "if it's breakeven EV wise it's always better to be a pain in the ass by raising" for metagame reasons etc, but after playing a high volume of hands in that style IMO it makes variance a tremendous headache, and opens you up to being outplayed in a large # of marginal situations by overaggro or very insightful players.

Surf

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I do think a calldown is better than a raise here, but never underestimate the value of frustrating your opponents.

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Im in the BB with A4s, Good Aggressive HJ open raises all fold to me, I call. Flop comes AAA, i donk.
My thinking- He can't have an A, but he raised from the HJ so there is a good chance his non ace cards are big face cards he won't want to fold or a PP that i might get some real action out of. If i c/r it will shut him out of the raising action with most of his hands. Donking gaurentees a bet on every street when he has a hand he wants to get to show down.
If i get raised my plan will often be to raise and donk again (depending on the card). I can represent that i paired the next card on the turn and don't want to give a free card. This opens him up to raise me again with his bigger pocket pairs and takes away his free card/showdown attempts on the flop and turn.
Who likes my play in this situaiton?

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Ya, I like that.

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"Who likes my play in this situaiton?"

wow, so youre telling me you can play quads profitably?

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Bryce,

I used to ascribe to the philosophy that "if it's breakeven EV wise it's always better to be a pain in the ass by raising" for metagame reasons etc, but after playing a high volume of hands in that style IMO it makes variance a tremendous headache, and opens you up to being outplayed in a large # of marginal situations by overaggro or very insightful players.

Surf

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I do think a calldown is better than a raise here, but never underestimate the value of frustrating your opponents.

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Absolutely. I have no qualms about doing so HU or 3h where i'm going to clash constantly with my opponents, I want them to always be worried about getting raised or c/r'd and want them to feel like it's going to be really hard to steal my pots. I find this metagame utility is greatly diminished in a 6max setting where even if he's 2-3 to your left you wont be butting heads with him often enough.

Surf

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"Who likes my play in this situaiton?"

wow, so youre telling me you can play quads profitably?

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Anyone can show a profit with the nuts, but when you can squeeze out another big bet or so with 100% equity that's a heroic result (as opposed to getting another BB in with like TP or something).

Nice post Surf.

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"Who likes my play in this situaiton?"

wow, so youre telling me you can play quads profitably?

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Anyone can show a profit with the nuts, but when you can squeeze out another big bet or so with 100% equity that's a heroic result (as opposed to getting another BB in with like TP or something).

Nice post Surf.

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Thx bryce.

I like the idea in your post, but since we're freeshowdowning we're only picking up an extra bet 6 out of 46 times, and even less b/c sometimes we hit and he folds, or we raise and he folds when he would have bluffed the river so in certain instances we're costing ourselves $.

Surf

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Call down. Metagame of calling down with Q high is really, really sweet, especially when you win, like here.

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c/r looks more like BS.

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c/r looks more like BS.

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Against a LP raiser, I'd agree. Against an early raiser a c/r on that board looks strong.

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Who likes my play in this situaiton?

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tolbiny, I love it.

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Who likes my play in this situaiton?

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tolbiny, I love it.

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have you heard of/seen the movie schizo?

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Who likes my play in this situaiton?

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tolbiny, I love it.

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have you heard of/seen the movie schizo?

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this thing?

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0076670/

never heard of it before.