Borgata Ruling
 

Whats your ruling here..playing 25/50 NL at borgata...on the turn player A checks, player B bets 1500, and player A throws out a packaged $5k in cash plus a hundred chip without saying raise...is this a raise or not?

Re: Borgata Ruling
 

Was the 5k cash in his chip stack?

Re: Borgata Ruling
 

yes, cash plays at the borgata, player actually had 10k in cash and about 4k in chips in front of him

Re: Borgata Ruling
 

I think its a raise bc he threw in the 100 chip.

Re: Borgata Ruling
 

The raise is obvious. Were you there this weekend?

Re: Borgata Ruling
 

Second question, did he throw them in at the exact same time or one then another (in the latter case, which order) Without a declaration, if he put them in at exactly the same time or pushed them out as a package, it is a 3600 raise, if he threw out the money then the chip, the chip shoud be returned and it is a 3500 raise. If the 100 chip is put out first, then it is a call and only 1400 of the cash comes in.

Re: Borgata Ruling
 

yep, played saturday 3pm-5am

Re: Borgata Ruling
 

the chip was placed on top of the cash and placed into pot at same time...

Re: Borgata Ruling
 

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cash plays at the borgata

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Since when? At least in the lower limit NL games, cash does not play.

Re: Borgata Ruling
 

it plays in the uncapped games (10/25+)

Re: Borgata Ruling
 

I don't see how this could not be considered a raise.

RESULTS
 

well i was player A in the story, and the dealer and then the floor ruled that it wasnt a raise..i figured the cash on its own was enough for a raise, but i added the 100 chip to be sure...anyways, i thought it was another awful ruling by the staff at borgata...love the room/games but dislike the inconsistency of floor decisions...at least the game was lively.

Re: RESULTS
 

wtf? how is this not a raise?

Re: RESULTS
 

How?

Bad decision or there are certain rules that are followed when bundled stacks of cash plays.

Neither one would surprise me too much, but I'd prefer the second one since at least it's a "now you know" thing rather than something random.

Re: RESULTS
 

i can't see any reasonable justification to the ruling. even if the 5k bundle of cash plays like a 5k chip, the player put $5,100 into the pot in one motion. the rule that putting ONE oversize chip in w/o saying "raise" is just a call doesn't apply here. this is a terrible ruling.

Re: Borgata Ruling
 

the court of chopstick rules it a raise to 5100.