Where\'s Our Statement
 

Hi Everyone:

I spoke to our attorney yesterday (Tuesday, Oct. 3) and voiced concern that we do not as yet have the promised statement. He appologized for the delays, but has been traveling, mostly out of the country, over the past week, and in fact was going to leave for the airport shortly after we finished talking.

So hopefully we will have the statement up in the not too distant future. But I can not give a definite time or date.

best wishes,
Mason

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Hi Mason.

I'm asuming this statement has changed from it's original content since the recent run of events?

Thanks.

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What exactly is this statement covering? (i know tons of "statements" are needed, j/w)

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I can't wait!

Any statement on desegregating public schools? I hear they might do that in Alabama.

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Mason,

Though I look forward to hearing what 2+2 has to say, can you explain to everyone here exactly what good a statement will do us NOW?

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Hi Mason, i think stickies are supposed to be locked.

stabn

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No rush at all Mason - take your time.

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stabn,

You are correct. I also notified this forums mods. Thanks for your help!

Thank you,

Jim Kuhn
Catfish4u
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Hi Jim:

I prefer that this thread remain unlocked since I may want to address some of the comments.

Best wishes,
Mason

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Mason,

Was your OP here sarcastic humor or not?

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Hi Drew:

It may not do any good. But it will hopefully clarify where we stand.

Also, while you may not like him because his views are different from yours, I don't think members of the Republican leadership are Nazis. Many Republicans died fighting Hitler in WWII and you should think twice about your avatar.

Best wishes,
Mason

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Hi Bluff:

There was no humor in what I wrote. We do intend to get a statement up.

Best wishes,
Mason

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Hi 1p0kerboy:

I did talk to our attorney about addressing more than just the Poker Player's Alliance. So hopefully this will be done.

Best wishes,
Mason

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"We know of no problems with online poker so please keep buying our books".

ps. my legal fee is $1000/hr.

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OK thanks. You have a dry sense of humour others fail to recognize sometimes, and the fact that such a statement is post-bill passing is what led me to think you might be having fun on posters who keep asking for your statement.

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Hi Bluff:

There was no humor in what I wrote. We do intend to get a statement up.

Best wishes,
Mason

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Mason,

I think some of the animosity you are picking up from people is, like it or not you and David are considered "leaders" in this community.

You guys have directly taught most of us how to play a half way decent game of poker. Most of us respect and defer to you and David on matters of poker. So whether you choose to accept the mantle or not it is still yours.

So during this debacle, you guys have appeared indecisive and indifferent, mostly through your lack of response.

I am not saying that you are necessarily doing the wrong thing by your business. Butin this time which many consider a "crisis" it is natural for people to look to their mentors for guidance. Thus far you and David have not been there.

Personally I don't mind either way. But I guess it would make me feel better if you even said "you know what guys... this sucks ass."

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What exactly is this statement covering? (i know tons of "statements" are needed, j/w)

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Hi boondockst:

I don't know completely. We rely on our attorney in many ways and for much advice concerning this site as well as the publishing aspects of our company.

The original statement was just suppose to address the Poker Player's Alliance. We have now asked him to include anything else that's appropriate given the current situation.

Part of the problem is that it's not completely exactly clear what the current situation is. His firm has as of our conversation on Tuesday not yet analyzed the language in the bill, and of course, the procedures are not yet written.

Best wishes,
Mason

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Your attorney wouldnt by any chance be doing all this traveling out of country in order to set up foriegn bank accounts and addresses so you guys can still legally play online poker would he? [img]/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img]

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Take all the time you need, Mason. Nothing good comes from hasty decisions or pronouncements.

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Mason,

I think some of the animosity you are picking up from people is, like it or not you and David are considered "leaders" in this community.

You guys have directly taught most of us how to play a half way decent game of poker. Most of us respect and defer to you and David on matters of poker. So whether you choose to accept the mantle or not it is still yours.

So during this debacle, you guys have appeared indecisive and indifferent, mostly through your lack of response.

I am not saying that you are necessarily doing the wrong thing by your business. Butin this time which many consider a "crisis" it is natural for people to look to their mentors for guidance. Thus far you and David have not been there.


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I would like to echo this very well put statement. Would I have liked to see you guys do something more then just a statement, yes. Do you guys have to, of course not, but many of us feel let down. Your seeing some of that anger vented in here.

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Here I disagree. The poster's avatar is fine. The Republicans who died in World War 2 are obviously not the same Republicans who were fined for dealing with Nazis during time of war, cough, cough, Prescott Bush. We are no longer under leadership of General Eisenhower, who warned against the dangers of the military-industrial complex, but under the leadership of his sworn enemies, the draft dodgers and the war profiteers. My view of it anyway.

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Anything anyone says that helps the cause is good. But honestly, what difference does a statement from the leaders of 2 plus 2 after consulting with their lawyers do? It's not like people gamble on 2 plus 2, and I don't see how any interpretation of this bill can make it illegal to talk about poker in any way. So nothing at all meant in disrepect, there are about 20 other statements and events I care about now more than one from Mason and Dave. I do appreciate them for starting this site, of course...

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So you are issuing a statement on behalf of your attorney after the bill has already been passed, a statement in which you say may not do any good (which in all likelyhood is a 100% chance that it won't) and which you do not know completely what it will cover. Help me to understand the motivation behind this.

Flight_Risk

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Here I disagree. The poster's avatar is fine. The Republicans who died in World War 2 are obviously not the same Republicans who were fined for dealing with Nazis during time of war, cough, cough, Prescott Bush. We are no longer under leadership of General Eisenhower, who warned against the dangers of the military-industrial complex, but under the leadership of his sworn enemies, the draft dodgers and the war profiteers. My view of it anyway.

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Be that as it may the "OPPONENT = NAZI" argument is so worn out and overused it generally makes you look like a jackass. Even if it has some semblance of justification behind it.

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Anything anyone says that helps the cause is good. But honestly, what difference does a statement from the leaders of 2 plus 2 after consulting with their lawyers do? It's not like people gamble on 2 plus 2, and I don't see how any interpretation of this bill can make it illegal to talk about poker in any way. So nothing at all meant in disrepect, there are about 20 other statements and events I care about now more than one from Mason and Dave.

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Cosign.

Flight_Risk

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He's on a poker site. Does he really care if somebody thinks he's a jackass? And I'll be honest. The avatar made me smile. So he made one old lady happy anyway.

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So you are issuing a statement on behalf of your attorney after the bill has already been passed, a statement in which you say may not do any good (which in all likelyhood is a 100% chance that it won't) and which you do not know completely what it will cover. Help me to understand the motivation behind this.

Flight_Risk

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Hi Bluff:

There was no humor in what I wrote. We do intend to get a statement up.

Best wishes,
Mason

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Mason,

I think some of the animosity you are picking up from people is, like it or not you and David are considered "leaders" in this community.

You guys have directly taught most of us how to play a half way decent game of poker. Most of us respect and defer to you and David on matters of poker. So whether you choose to accept the mantle or not it is still yours.

So during this debacle, you guys have appeared indecisive and indifferent, mostly through your lack of response.

I am not saying that you are necessarily doing the wrong thing by your business. Butin this time which many consider a "crisis" it is natural for people to look to their mentors for guidance. Thus far you and David have not been there.

Personally I don't mind either way. But I guess it would make me feel better if you even said "you know what guys... this sucks ass."

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Not to mention, Mason, the fact that with your core business being centered around poker ( and yes, this does include online poker and I'm sure you'd be hardpressed to refute the fact that 2+2 Publishing has benefitted royally from OP business ), we would have expected you all to be up on this from the beginning, simply because of how much of an impact it will have on your current and future sales. Hell, I had the PPA sending me emails about their concern to fight against outlawing online poker in the U.S. a long time ago and I was also able to follow the aspects of the bill on Cardplayer. It takes more than an internet forum where you can talk about issues to make a change. You actually have to do something.

Flight_Risk

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Would I have liked to see you guys do something more then just a statement, yes. Do you guys have to, of course not, but many of us feel let down.

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Exactly. There is no responsibility or burden placed on Sklansky, Malmuth, Miller, and others, but many of us did kind of hope...

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Would I have liked to see you guys do something more then just a statement, yes. Do you guys have to, of course not, but many of us feel let down.

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Exactly. There is no responsibility or burden placed on Sklansky, Malmuth, Miller, and others, but many of us did kind of hope...

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I've been very disappointed [img]/images/graemlins/frown.gif[/img]

but then again, I guess I don't matter [img]/images/graemlins/frown.gif[/img]

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Mason

You have me confused on this forthcoming statement. Why would you need to consult your attorney with regards to the PPA? Unless you plan to get more involved with them or you have uncovered some super secret dirt, it seems like a waste of your money and your lawyers time. I cant see you wasting money so im guessing this might be good...

cubs

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mason,


http://dankhank.zftp.com/gonzo.JPG


is this your attorney?

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I can't wait!

Any statement on desegregating public schools? I hear they might do that in Alabama.

[/ QUOTE ]hahaha

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Be that as it may the "OPPONENT = NAZI" argument is so worn out and overused it generally makes you look like a jackass. Even if it has some semblance of justification behind it.

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I couldn't agree more. As awful as many actions taken by certain congressman, presidents, etc (ie... Bush, Frist), comparing them to Nazis does nothing more than show contempt for the real sufferings of those subjected to actual Nazism. In another post, someone ventured 'Fristylnacht' as a good name for this event. While clever and funny in a sick sort of way, its disrespectful to compare our current plight to people who's actual lives were in danger.

We still live in a cool country. Let's try to be the reasonable voices and not partake in unnescessary comparisons and hyperbole. Our system is flawed, and yet we've been screwed by a sneaky, back-handed, shady, non-debated runner to a must pass bill. In my opinion, that's Un-American, unjust, and immoral. While these type of things are 'first steps' to real fascism, we are not even close to being there yet. Its all a matter of perspective, but I'm pretty sure a Holocaust victim (yes, there are still a few alive) would not appreciate unnessary comparisons to that evil.

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It may not do any good. But it will hopefully clarify where we stand.

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We all know where you stand. Either 1) you dont care or 2) you are too stupid or cheap to get an attorney who understands the importance of urgency. Now, hows about you stick with publishing since the community's legal concerns seem to be very different than yours.

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I don't think members of the Republican leadership are Nazis.

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Walks like a duck, quacks like a duck...

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mason,


http://dankhank.zftp.com/gonzo.JPG


is this your attorney?

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hahahaha. Man, I should watch that movie right now - would cheer me up...

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I want to be popular enough to post a statement that basically says that I will eventually have a statement.

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I want to be popular enough to post a statement that basically says that I will eventually have a statement.

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I think you just did.

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I want to be popular enough to post a statement that basically says that I will eventually have a statement.

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sttfers like, worship you don't they?