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There has seldom been a day like it. In one fell swoop a single piece of US legislation has wiped off about £3.5bn from the value of a clutch of London-listed companies. It's hard to feel sympathy for the online gambling fraternity. Investors knew all along that the business they were buying into was illegal in America.


They chose to ignore the health warnings when the likes of PartyGaming floated. When the founders and management of these companies bailed out, they stayed in. When people started getting arrested they doubled their bets. Now American legislators reckon they have found a way of shutting down online gambling. The move by the US Congress will only encourage other countries squeamish about internet betting to crack down.


For many, online gambling has been one of the worst bets in stockmarket history. But the weekend's events are also one of the worst examples of protectionism seen in this new century. Many American states may be oddball and straight-laced. The country is full of moral contradictions, but this legislation is not the product of some national fear about what online gambling might do to its young people.


If it was worried about the immoral effects of the internet it would apply the same act passed on Friday to the porn industry. This act is about protecting the interests of the US horse race betting industry and the health of its state lotteries. It's also about protecting the interests of the Las Vegas gambling giants.


While online gambling by US citizens has been languishing in a legal off-limits zone, established American gaming companies have avoided it like the plague. However, the online industry is huge, worth about $12bn a year, with about half of that coming from American punters.


But the industry is dominated by UK companies. With this move, Congress has destroyed the existing edifice of American online gambling, however creaky its British foundations. Given the demand in the States, the next move, I suspect, will be for American legislators to rebuild the industry based on a new set of regulations creating an online business dominated by American gaming companies. And these people are supposed to be our friends?

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This was in the British Telegraph newspaper today, a newspaper traditionally pro-American.

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I think this hits right on the money.

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good article...americans are out for their own pocketbooks and I'm ashamed this week to be one of them.

Indy

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It is a trade war, with our friends, it is sad.

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It is a trade war, with our friends, it is sad.

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Doubtful IMO. Don't think the British government is going to get too worked up about this as a free trade issue FWIW. I hope I'm wrong though and I think it certainly is a free trade issue.

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America is nobodys freind except its own! the so called friendship with britain and the usa is simply a case of the uk government sucking in with the big boys in the hope that if the uk ever gets into trouble the usa will save us, kind of like world war 2. But the sad fact that we in the UK have always known is that if it was in America's interests they would happly sacrifice the UK and any of it allies to help save their own skin!!

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It's not personal, it's strictly business.

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You mean like the way all of the contracts for Afhganistan and Iraq were given to American firms? Thats just Blair being soft.

I wouldn't call the Telegraph particularly right wing btw.

As for America, I wouldn't call it the worlds greatest country based on your Government. I don't follow religon and it doesn't affect them, so why should what they practise influence us? Idiots (those who try to). Frist can get shot for all I care.

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I don't see the current government doing a 180 and legalizing online gambling in the next decade. Sure there will be pressure to legalize, as there has been for the last 5 years, but unbanning something is more difficult than banning it.

If US casino interests want to achieve dominance in the online market, the most effective way would be to legalize, regulate and get the gov't to pass favorable laws at the start, not to engage in this kind of end around.

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Given the demand in the States, the next move, I suspect, will be for American legislators to rebuild the industry based on a new set of regulations creating an online business dominated by American gaming companies.

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I think these people are giving American legislators way too much credit.

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But the sad fact that we in the UK have always known is that if it was in America's interests they would happly sacrifice the UK and any of it allies to help save their own skin!!

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That's what governments do. Don't try to pretend yours is different. [img]/images/graemlins/wink.gif[/img]

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It has been said that democracy is the worst form of government except all the others that have been tried.
Winston Churchill

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well we followed you guys into an illegal war in Iraq for no good reason from our point of view) and are now bearing the brunt of taking on the Taliban head on in Afghanistan - so (stupidly) it seems as though our government is different

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"I wouldn't call the Telegraph particularly right wing btw."

LMAO!!!! - er it is a little to the left of Mein Kampf (and not as foamingly mad as it's downmarket equivalent the Daily Mail) but that's about it... it does have the best sports coverage though

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well we followed you guys into an illegal war in Iraq for no good reason from our point of view) and are now bearing the brunt of taking on the Taliban head on in Afghanistan - so (stupidly) it seems as though our government is different

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What does this have to do with poker? Please keep the war [censored] out of future discussions.

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The UK and EU will happily beat up the US in the WTO over Poker. In terms of a case it's a post river nuts hand and they will push it hard (then do some dodgy deal on something else).

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I wish the US would let some of our gaming companies start online gambling, but its very unlikely. I think the way it is right now, the gov't believe states should have the right to control gambling. If they allow legal US based online gaming it would no doubt be over state lines. I think that is why our gaming companies never really pursued online gaming.

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But the sad fact that we in the UK have always known is that if it was in America's interests they would happly sacrifice the UK and any of it allies to help save their own skin!!

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That's what governments do. Don't try to pretend yours is different. [img]/images/graemlins/wink.gif[/img]

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yep, it's just like poker. no one is your friend at the table. you gotta do what you gotta do.

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it was in response to these comments - try reading the thread before becoming a wannabee mod next time plz
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But the sad fact that we in the UK have always known is that if it was in America's interests they would happly sacrifice the UK and any of it allies to help save their own skin!!


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That's what governments do. Don't try to pretend yours is different.

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"I wouldn't call the Telegraph particularly right wing btw."

LMAO!!!! - er it is a little to the left of Mein Kampf (and not as foamingly mad as it's downmarket equivalent the Daily Mail) but that's about it... it does have the best sports coverage though

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And a crossword that's enough of a challenge to be interesting but not so hard that it's frustrating...

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It is a trade war, with our friends, it is sad.

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Doubtful IMO. Don't think the British government is going to get too worked up about this as a free trade issue FWIW. I hope I'm wrong though and I think it certainly is a free trade issue.

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The UK government hit unexpected trouble when it agreed to the idea of Supercasinos...noone objected until the Daily Mail got hold of the story, and suddenly all politicians were horrified. In view of this, they won't do anything they don't have to to raise the profile of this issue.