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Can I make a Deposit to TruePoker from the United States ?

Congress passed the UIGE Act of 2006, which covers deposits made by US players to certain types of sites. Our read is that Act covers only sites which offer Sports Betting or Casino type games where you bet against the Site itself.

We are not going to be breaking any laws, we believe this Act does not apply to sites not in "the business of betting or wagering", which we are not.

We will need to see what develops in the payments processing industry over the next few weeks with respect to your ability to send money, but TruePoker's poker operations will continue for US players.

Summary:

TruePoker does NOT make or accept bets or wagers in which it has any stake in the outcome. So, our games and tournaments, and your deposits, are not covered by this UIGE Act of 2006.

TruePoker does not have a stake in the outcome of the games or tournaments we offer, in the US or anywhere else. (We do not offer casino games or sports betting, and so have no stake in the outcome and are not in the "business of betting or wagering")

Business Decisions:

Certain sites, such as Party and Pacific, have decided to abandon the US poker market as a busness decision. We view our commitment to our customes a bit differently. The Act does not outlaw playing poker on the Internet from the US, period. We certainly will accept deposits and new accounts as long as we can do so. We see NO reason to cut off play in any event under this Act.

As you do, We await developments in the payments processing industry, but it is business as usual for Truepoker's poker operations.

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Can I make a Deposit to TruePoker from the United States ?

Congress passed the UIGE Act of 2006, which covers deposits made by US players to certain types of sites. Our read is that Act covers only sites which offer Sports Betting or Casino type games where you bet against the Site itself.

We will need to see what develops in the payments processing industry over the next few weeks with respect to your ability to send money, but TruePoker's poker operations will continue for US players.

Summary:

TruePoker does NOT make or accept bets or wagers in which it has any stake in the outcome. So, our games and tournaments, and your deposits, are not covered by this UIGE Act of 2006.

TruePoker does not have a stake in the outcome of the games or tournaments we offer, in the US or anywhere else. (We do not offer casino games or sports betting, and so have no stake in the outcome and are not in the "business of betting or wagering")

Business Decisions:

Certain sites, such as Party and Pacific, have decided to abandon the US poker market as a busness decision. We view our commitment to our customes a bit differently. The Act does not outlaw playing poker on the Internet from the US, period. We certainly will accept deposits and new accounts as long as we can do so. We see NO reason to cut off play in any event under this Act.

As you do, We await developments in the payments processing industry, but it is business as usual for Truepoker's poker operations.

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Thank you very very much.

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Props

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TruePoker does NOT make or accept bets or wagers in which it has any stake in the outcome. So, our games and tournaments, and your deposits, are not covered by this UIGE Act of 2006.

TruePoker does not have a stake in the outcome of the games or tournaments we offer, in the US or anywhere else. (We do not offer casino games or sports betting, and so have no stake in the outcome and are not in the "business of betting or wagering")

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Really ? Aren't you raking in money depending upon the outcome of a hand ? How does that not make you part of a business of betting and wagering ?

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HOORAY!

No, do you guys accept Epassporte payments? =)

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Tried to pm but your box was full.

Thank you for taking a stand. I wish your customer service had responded to my emails when I was playing 8 hours a day for about 5 months on your site (your biggest games) I would have never left.

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No, we have no stake in the outcome, nor have we risked any money in the pot. Rake is a fee for the service, regardless of the outcome as to what player wins.

(Anyway, if it were an issue, a time charge system or a "flat rate per player hand dealt in" system would remove your concern. Thanks for raising it. My initial response is likely to remain our position, but in the "interesting" times, we are going to adapt as needed.)

(Ours is not a new reading of the term. In another statute, the Wire Act, this was the interpretation in dicta in a Federal Court of Appeals ruling.)

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No, we have no stake in the outcome, nor have we risked any money in the pot.

(This is not a new reading of the term. In another statute, the Wire Act, this was the interpretation in dicta in a Federal Court of Appeals ruling.)

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They provide a service for a fee...which is customer support/hosting the games etc. Basically for a fee, they let us bet against eachother.

SO NO, they do not have a stake in the outcome. They get paid the same wether player A or player B wins.

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No, we have no stake in the outcome, nor have we risked any money in the pot.

(This is not a new reading of the term. In another statute, the Wire Act, this was the interpretation in dicta in a Federal Court of Appeals ruling.)

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They provide a service for a fee...which is customer support/hosting the games etc. Basically for a fee, they let us bet against eachother.

SO NO, they do not have a stake in the outcome. They get paid the same wether player A or player B wins.

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Ok, that makes it clear. I wonder why PS, PP etc. are not using this clause.

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Berge,

How about a sticky for any thread where the CEO of a poker company posts that they will continue to accept US players ?

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No, we have no stake in the outcome, nor have we risked any money in the pot.

(This is not a new reading of the term. In another statute, the Wire Act, this was the interpretation in dicta in a Federal Court of Appeals ruling.)

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They provide a service for a fee...which is customer support/hosting the games etc. Basically for a fee, they let us bet against eachother.

SO NO, they do not have a stake in the outcome. They get paid the same wether player A or player B wins.

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Ok, that makes it clear. I wonder why PS, PP etc. are not using this clause.

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Party has partycasino etc.

Stars hasn't made an official ruling.

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truepoker, if you are the last one standing i want to congratulate you on becoming a billionaire.

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Feel free to email me at [email protected].

As for your customer service complaint, send me your account name, I will resolve it.

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No. We had an agreement with them to develop a private label debit card system that never went forward. So, we have stuck with Neteller and Firepay.

We are awaiting developments in the payments processing business to determine who will or will not continue to serve the US poker market.

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As for your customer service complaint, send me your account name, I will resolve it.

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Awesome.

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I like it and it seems more than reasonable. Let the legal wrangling begin. Would it be possible to comment on WTO agreements that are in place that might have a bearing on this? But I understand that your statement makes it clear that your position is that the U.S. law does not apply to you due to the nature of your business.

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We are awaiting developments in the payments processing business to determine who will or will not continue to serve the US poker market.

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True,

Assuming that the existing e-wallets fold, do you anticipate other means of being able to do commerce with US residents?

I will be the first one at your door as long as you feel confident that we will be able to exchange funds in both directions.

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Would it be possible to comment on WTO agreements that are in place that might have a bearing on this?

An interesting topic to be sure. I expect this greatly helps the WTO fight by Antigua, IF it draws in the UK politically. However, that is a long term fight, it would take longer than a year to bear fruit ... as well as requiring a likely change in control of Congress.

(Ironic that the Republicans, who favor free trade, would impose such protectionist legislation for the US poker market )

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I won't blow smoke. We will have to wait and see what develops.

We are not going to break any laws or agreements with the financial service providers, including Banks and ewallets. If they "fold" as you put it, we will do our best to replace them.

Remember, NOTHING in the Act affects cashouts, a site would always be able to cash you out.

There may be another loophole, but THAT would be proprietary if I can exploit it.

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Wow, you guys are brave. I hope you're not planning to travel to the U.S. any time soon. I have a feeling the Justice Department is going to interpret the new law just a little bit differently than you do.

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It will be safe for them to travel to the US as soon as these right wing Republican religious crazies are out of office. A justice dept. that is not controlled by a right wing religious nut administration like Bush would not bother with wasting time going after online poker.

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Wow, you guys are brave. I hope you're not planning to travel to the U.S. any time soon. I have a feeling the Justice Department is going to interpret the new law just a little bit differently than you do.

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From his statements it sounds like he will be looking for viable loopholes.

The loopholes always exist, glad someone is actively pursuing them.

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It will be safe for them to travel to the US as soon as these right wing Republican religious crazies are out of office. A justice dept. that is not controlled by a right wing religious nut administration like Bush would not bother with wasting time going after online poker.

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Let me guess you are not in Washington State.

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Can I make a Deposit to TruePoker from the United States ?

Congress passed the UIGE Act of 2006, which covers deposits made by US players to certain types of sites. Our read is that Act covers only sites which offer Sports Betting or Casino type games where you bet against the Site itself.

We are not going to be breaking any laws, we believe this Act does not apply to sites not in "the business of betting or wagering", which we are not.

We will need to see what develops in the payments processing industry over the next few weeks with respect to your ability to send money, but TruePoker's poker operations will continue for US players.

Summary:

TruePoker does NOT make or accept bets or wagers in which it has any stake in the outcome. So, our games and tournaments, and your deposits, are not covered by this UIGE Act of 2006.

TruePoker does not have a stake in the outcome of the games or tournaments we offer, in the US or anywhere else. (We do not offer casino games or sports betting, and so have no stake in the outcome and are not in the "business of betting or wagering")

Business Decisions:

Certain sites, such as Party and Pacific, have decided to abandon the US poker market as a busness decision. We view our commitment to our customes a bit differently. The Act does not outlaw playing poker on the Internet from the US, period. We certainly will accept deposits and new accounts as long as we can do so. We see NO reason to cut off play in any event under this Act.

As you do, We await developments in the payments processing industry, but it is business as usual for Truepoker's poker operations.

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COJONES GRANDE.

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Vive Le Resistance

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I used to play truepoker. If i could switch my acct to rakeback, i would play there again

For now, absolute will probably be my primary site with WSEX as well

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COJONES GRANDE.

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I see it as a good thing. True pokers the new party. This is clearly the perfect time to fight for market share.

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TruePoker does NOT make or accept bets or wagers in which it has any stake in the outcome. So, our games and tournaments, and your deposits, are not covered by this UIGE Act of 2006.

TruePoker does not have a stake in the outcome of the games or tournaments we offer, in the US or anywhere else. (We do not offer casino games or sports betting, and so have no stake in the outcome and are not in the "business of betting or wagering")

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This is pure nonsense, and you know it. If not, get a new lawyer.

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Certain sites, such as Party and Pacific, have decided to abandon the US poker market as a busness decision. We view our commitment to our customes a bit differently.

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I like how you relate it to "customer commitment". I'd say your site that your site is so small you have nothing to lose. You've been madly spamming these boards for a long time trying to get ANYONE to play on your site. You must be rubbing your hands in glee.

To everyone: there are many far better options than TruePoker that will also continue to service US players. Don't think this guy is the only one.

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TruePoker does NOT make or accept bets or wagers in which it has any stake in the outcome. So, our games and tournaments, and your deposits, are not covered by this UIGE Act of 2006.

TruePoker does not have a stake in the outcome of the games or tournaments we offer, in the US or anywhere else. (We do not offer casino games or sports betting, and so have no stake in the outcome and are not in the "business of betting or wagering")

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This is pure nonsense, and you know it. If not, get a new lawyer.

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Certain sites, such as Party and Pacific, have decided to abandon the US poker market as a busness decision. We view our commitment to our customes a bit differently.

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I like how you relate it to "customer commitment". I'd say your site that your site is so small you have nothing to lose. You've been madly spamming these boards for a long time trying to get ANYONE to play on your site. You must be rubbing your hands in glee.

To everyone: there are many far better options than TruePoker that will also continue to service US players. Don't think this guy is the only one.

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He's the only one that has came out about this, how can you not give him any credit for that.

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Really Phil? Which sites would that be who have come here and confirmed that for us. I would love to know what you know. I will only play on a site who has made the type of committment that True Poker has. I will not sit around while a site examines the issues. I am too lazy to keep cashing out and setting up new accounts.

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We will need to see what develops in the payments processing industry over the next few weeks with respect to your ability to send money, but TruePoker's poker operations will continue for US players.

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Just to be clear on things, can you provide a guarantee that if we put money in we'll be able to get it out easily, or are you concerned that that may not be the case?

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I am too lazy to keep cashing out and setting up new accounts.

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Amen, it's also risky.

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big props

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thank you...at least one site isn't running like hell at the news of this bill...

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Listen. Unlike all the people who flooded this place in the eleventh hour, making it unreadable, TruepokerCEO has been here for months. In that time, he has been a productive contributor and good citizen of the forum. I'm more than happy to give his place a shot.

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Listen. Unlike all the people who flooded this place in the eleventh hour, making it unreadable, TruepokerCEO has been here for months. In that time, he has been a productive contributor and good citizen of the forum. I'm more than happy to give his place a shot.

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Second.

Major props for all sites that will continue to operate as business as usual. So far to my knowledge this includes TruePoker, Bodog, and maybe WSEX.

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Listen. Unlike all the people who flooded this place in the eleventh hour, making it unreadable, TruepokerCEO has been here for months. In that time, he has been a productive contributor and good citizen of the forum. I'm more than happy to give his place a shot.

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Second.

Major props for all sites that will continue to operate as business as usual. So far to my knowledge this includes TruePoker, Bodog, and maybe WSEX.

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And poker.com, they have been lost in the rubble.

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Thank you.

Please add 100BB NL tables. Pretty please.

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I think you can add Paradise Poker to that list. They're offering the same level of assurance as TruePoker (i.e. conditional on the banks).