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wooly_chicken 09-29-2006 12:02 AM

25 NL AK preflop against two idiots and unknown
 
Button and BB are VPIP over 60 over a lot of hands. What do yo uthink?

Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em, $ BB (5 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: 2+2 Forums)

SB ($8.70)
BB ($42.67)
Hero ($24.35)
MP ($10)
Button ($12.35)

Preflop: Hero is UTG with K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]. SB posts a blind of $0.10.
<font color="#CC3333">Hero raises to $1</font>, <font color="#CC3333">MP raises to $2.75</font>, Button calls $2.75, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, <font color="#CC3333">BB raises to $7.25</font>, Hero calls $23.35 (All-In)

EMc 09-29-2006 12:09 AM

Re: 25 NL AK preflop against two idiots and unknown
 
That re-raise cold call, re-raise scares the [censored] daylight out of me. I fold.

Dastone 09-29-2006 12:18 AM

Re: 25 NL AK preflop against two idiots and unknown
 
MP is likely going all the way with this one. Button may be enticed to go too, given his stack, and player type.

The only thing I'm not sure about with this shove is that BB is the only one that has you covered, and he's likely not folding, given the action. If you don't mind racing(which I often don't mind either, given the amount of dead money) then sure pushing is fine. However, BB is showing a lot of strength here, and despite his image, I think we are likely behind. Again, I don't know for sure if his VPIP has anything to do with his ability to push a worse hand like AQ, AJs, possibbly. So it seems okay, as long as you are willing to deal with higher variance.IMO.

Dastone 09-29-2006 12:23 AM

Re: 25 NL AK preflop against two idiots and unknown
 
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That re-raise cold call, re-raise scares the [censored] daylight out of me. I fold.

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This is what I was alluding to in my response, but got sidetracked. The action is scary, and I would consider folding as well. What was nagging at me was the stack sizes, and the OP's read of the players. While I think pushing may be correct on some occassions I'm going to have to say that here it seems like a big gamble, and thus may be incorrct to do so.

mak15 09-29-2006 12:27 AM

Re: 25 NL AK preflop against two idiots and unknown
 
what's bb pfr? if it's greater than 25, push.

quarkncover 09-29-2006 01:35 AM

Re: 25 NL AK preflop against two idiots and unknown
 
Pushing is fun, NH wooly.

sudic 09-29-2006 10:04 AM

Re: 25 NL AK preflop against two idiots and unknown
 
Fold and forget it!

Wait for a better situation.

Don't worry those Psychos will give you a chance to bust them later when you have better position!

Jouster777 09-29-2006 10:11 AM

Re: 25 NL AK preflop against two idiots and unknown
 
I like preflop pushes with AK when there's still some fold equity and a relatively low chance of AA/KK. Both of those are against us with the 3-bet/4-bet in front of us. Fold.

BungalowBill 09-29-2006 02:00 PM

Re: 25 NL AK preflop against two idiots and unknown
 
I've been thinking about AK hands like this lately, and might have to do some datamining to back this up but....

It seems that in hands like this where there's lots of muliway PF action, especially with loose callers, that a lot of your outs will already be in play. That is, AK AQ AJ KQ KJ are solidly in some of their ranges. So, for example, even if you get yourself all-in HU against BB in this hand, some of your outs against a PP are likely out of play.

It seems that when I'm in a multiway raised pot with AK, I flop top pair somewhat less often than when it's HU. But again, I need to back that up with data.

Vammakala 09-29-2006 02:04 PM

Re: 25 NL AK preflop against two idiots and unknown
 
I think this is an easy fold and it's not even close.

Mal_Pais 09-30-2006 12:50 AM

Re: 25 NL AK preflop against two idiots and unknown
 
I've folding everything but KK or AA when it comes back around to me. Flip a coin, but I think its weighted on one side.


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