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nrog 09-27-2006 09:20 PM

iGaming News Story On NROG. Info Maybe You Didn\'t Know About Us.
 
iGaming News, an industry-insider news organization, has given NROG a story and I think for those of you who don't know who we are or what we're about it may clear things up. Its a bit lengthy but I do hope you'll take the time to read it. Should you have any questions, comments or concerns you can reach me via [email protected] or 800-724-8334 ext. 83

www.saveonlinegaming.com to join our fight.

JayB

NROG's Radio Men up to the Task
by Emily Swoboda (IGN)

Two veterans of the radio broadcasting business are mounting a campaign against legislative attempts to take away American citizens' right to gamble online.

Brian Jakusik and Jay Bailey, who worked together in radio for seven years, have started a non-profit organization with the primary goal of making the American public more aware of the online gambling industry. Their creation, the National Right for Online Gambling (NROG), got of the ground

"We can't make people's minds up," Jakusik, executive director, said. "All we can do is provide them with the other side. There's so much free publicity out there right now for the bill and it's all bad publicity. It's all arrests; it's all racketeering charges and things of that nature and that's all the American people are seeing. And what I think we're going to be able to do is provide the other side of the coin so they can become as outraged as we are."

Bailey was an on-air radio personality for 12 years, and Jakusik was in the industry for 16 years as a general manager and sales executive at several stations. The duo intends to use their skill sets and backgrounds in radio and advertising to launch a major media campaign.

"We're looking at it from a different set of eyes," Jakusik said. "We're not lawyers. We're not politicians. We're media."

The pair plans to conduct a nationwide poll to gauge how many Americans care--or even know--about the issue and use the results to build an effective nationwide media campaign. They will also formulate a state-by-state strategy designed to engage opposing congressmen in "battleground" states.

"Mass media will be our big push," Bailey, director of development, explained. "There are thousands of outlets we could use tomorrow, but we want to do our research first and build our message and backing."

The partners got involved in the I-gaming industry through first-hand experience dealing with U.S. crackdown on gambling advertising.

"I left terrestrial radio back in 2002 and started, with the help of Brian, the National Radio Network, where we were more of a barter company, but we represented a lot of shows," Bailey said. "We sold the advertising time, and that's how it starts to tie into the Internet gaming industry.

"We became the largest dot-com cleared network in the country; meaning that our network of more than 1,400 radio stations allowed offshore gaming sites to advertise their dot-com," Bailey said.

This was prior to the Department of Justice's crackdown on broadcasters who took online gambling advertising. The DOJ sent letters to various members of the National Association of Broadcasters (NAB) in 2003, threatening those who accept ads for online gambling services with aiding and abetting charges.

"When we saw everything that was going on, we realized we had a stake in this; this was our company at stake," Bailey said. "We've since sold the network and moved on to other consulting jobs and things, but we have deep roots in the industry and we want to protect what we believe is a very basic American right to be able to do this and help the great friends that we made in the industry during those years."

Starting the organization, Jakusik said, was not easy, but he believes that, despite their inexperience in this area, their talents will serve them well.

"We know what we could do," he said. "We knew we had 30 million people that we could activate in the United States because we run campaigns that have done that. So, not having the political background was a little scary, but it's the same thing. We're selling an issue instead of a product, so it's kind of a simple thing to do. It's a small investment on our part and a major investment in time. But both of us are so driven; when we do something we don't do it at 50 percent, we do it at 150 percent."

He added, "We know how to reach the American people. We know how to get them to pick up the phone and we know how to get them to buy products. So with the right message, we were confident we could provide a very large response to the folks who are making the decisions so they could see that there's a large portion of the American public who think this is a really bad idea."

Neither Bailey nor Jakusik is drawing a salary from NROG; both remain heavily entrenched in the media business and do a lot of consulting.

"NROG isn't going to make either one of us a penny," Jakusik said. "It's strictly volunteer work. Whatever we're going to raise we're going to turn right back into media and research. This is kind of a labor of love."

Echoing his partner's sentiment, Bailey said their cause is the greater good, not the greater profit.

"Most people become involved in something like this because the profit is the upside," Bailey said. "For us, it's the win that is the upside. We get more money than we probably deserve for the things that we do, but this is something that we want the victory here. This isn't about money. This is about proving that what we do is as good as anyone else can do and we can affect the way our congress thinks and acts and that we can actually educate the U.S. public on issues. Will we do this again for another issue? I doubt it."

Bailey works out of a West Palm Beach, Fl. office and Brian is just outside Boston. Everything is coordinated online; everything is networked, and they communicate mostly by telephone.

"We talk on the phone probably more than most husbands and wives talk on the phone," Bailey said. "We probably talk 30 times a day. Anytime there's a move, we're on the phone. We're on the phone with our people that we've got inside Washington. So, it's all telecommunications."

NROG's support staff is minimal. It is volunteer staff, for the most part, but Jakusik said they are bringing on a few specialized staff to help with non-traditional ways to communicate with the public.

"We're trying to keep the cost as low as possible," Jakusik said. "We don't want to lose money to administrative costs."

Bailey and Jakusik want it convey to the public that NROG is not a fly-by-night organization. They are passionate about what they are doing and they intend to see it through as many sessions of Congress as it takes.

"We are in this until this thing is over for good," Bailey said.

At the moment, the task at hand is making sure Sen. Bill Frist, R-Tenn. does not attach an anti-Internet gambling measure to any must-pass bills during the current session.

"We need to deal with the fires that have popped up in Washington over the last few days," Bailey said. "It looks like, thankfully, we've gotten past the DOD bill, but Senator Frist is very adamant about putting this into a bill so we've got time for him to try something else. So we're going to continue to watch him and continue to work with our folks up there. We want to try to get through this session without any action being taken."

NROG has long-term goals as well.

"What we'd like to push for is doing some research," Bailey said. "If they'd really like to make this a case, let's get a committee together to find out how regulation is being done in other countries. The U.S. is one of the few that doesn't allow it. China is considering legalizing it. The U.K. has legalized it. It's something that's already being done. So let's get a study, let's find out what these people are doing, how they're doing it, how they're regulating it and find out if it can be done.

"I think that's what we'll push for . . . to get [Congress] to spend some dollars to try to really understand the industry."

NROG opened up to membership in early September and signed up over 15,000 members without spending a dime of its advertising budget.

"Here's how it happened," Bailey explained. "We have not done any advertising yet. We've gotten into discussion boards and posted our message just to get it into the community. That's how we've gotten 15,000 members.

"It is really a phenomenal community. The amount of the support they have given has been unbelievable."

Membership is free, but the organization accepts donations. Jakusik is structuring donation rewards packages through which people who make donations upon signing up get credits at poker rooms or online gambling sites at which they are not a member.

"We wanted to make it something that wouldn't cost the organization money," Jakusik said. "We didn't want t-shirts, or mugs, although I was pushing for the lapel pins. We wanted all donor dollars to go back into the organization."

Bailey said that any programs put in place now will be retroactive so current members will receive the benefits as well.

Jakusik is also organizing a charity poker tournament fundraiser for which he hopes to get a number of major casinos on board for the finals. He is still working out the details of the event.

"We're going to build ourselves a very active membership group and we need to have them ready like the minutemen, but we can't let them go away," Bailey said. "We're going to stay on top of them and we're going to see this all the way through taxation and regulation. It's better for everybody; the protection that the player's going to get, Wall Street's going to see a surge in the stock market, if people are going to be able to invest in things like this. Investment bankers, tax revenues, jobs; there's a huge positive upside and I can't see us giving up before that happens."

Jakusik is confident that NROG is fighting the good fight.

"We know we're doing the right thing," Jakusik said. "To this point everything has been done behind the scenes. A lot of Average Joes don't know what's going on. A lot of those who play don't know what's going on. So, we just want to bring that message out to the folks and feel like we are vital role in making this go away forever."

antneye 09-27-2006 09:30 PM

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Keep up the fight Jay.

Uglyowl 09-27-2006 10:00 PM

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Good article... Thanks for checking in Jay [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]

Bilgefisher 09-27-2006 10:11 PM

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Please ignore the nay sayers. There are still a bunch of us that appreciate the information and work you guys and the PPA have done.

Some people, rightfully so, were a bit skeptical at first. They wanna make sure they know their hard earned money is not just going to some fly by night operation.

That said, keep up the good work and please don't stop posting because of a few critics. There are still plenty of us that want to read what you have to say.

cowboy.up 09-27-2006 10:47 PM

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Good article - Jay I truly appreciate the information and fight that you are helping to lead. Don't let a few people discourage you. There's certainly many more supporters than critics.

daedalus 09-27-2006 10:57 PM

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Good article - Jay I truly appreciate the information and fight that you are helping to lead. Don't let a few people discourage you. There's certainly many more supporters than critics.

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Sephus 09-27-2006 11:10 PM

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so, you wrote this, right?

BluffTHIS! 09-28-2006 01:23 AM

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nrog,

So let's see. You write a press kit and get some net site to post it, and suddenly you have credibility? When PPA is recognized by legitimate news sources in the real world and not just net ones?

And what about the revelation in the other thread that a poster made a donation and was asked for no contact info? WTF???????????? That was either extremely amateurish or scamateurish.

But the most important unanswered question that you avoided there was mine regarding what lobbyist/firm you are using? Answer that without equivocation and it can be verified and all these doubts go away. I am sure one of our DC insiders can quickly both verify a lobbying group's existence and with a quick phone call that you and your "organization" are a client. So how about answering?

The only other alternatives, despite all the gullible suckers here who believe otherwise notwithstanding, are that either you are a scammer, or that maybe a similar type of con where you are trying to break into the lobbying biz by taking on clients and issues for free and with no real lobbying competence, and then using same to bootstrap a resume to get paying clients.

So once again . . . .

WHAT IS THE NAME OF THE LOBBYING FIRM YOU ARE USING?






Link to Previous Thread on nrog

jrbick 09-28-2006 01:40 AM

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Well either way, this is pretty cool re: the potential media campaign.


jrbick

BluffTHIS! 09-28-2006 01:43 AM

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jrbrick,

Actually it's not cool if some legit news organizations are duped into thinking he speaks for us when the PPA, despite its shortcomings, and other individuals and groups, can do a far better job of explaining our position.

Ron Burgundy 09-28-2006 02:59 AM

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and other individuals and groups, can do a far better job of explaining our position.

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And who else has had the balls to even attempt to speak to the mass media as a representative of online gamblers?

I would also like nrog to disclose more info about who they're working with, but until you come up with and execute a better plan yourself, STFU and quit trying to demoralize these people who are at least making an effort.

BluffTHIS! 09-28-2006 03:25 AM

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Ron,

You don't really know that they are making ANY effort, because their unsupported word that they are doing so just isn't enough. All they have done is make some claims and regurgitate news from supposedly inside sources but which most likely was copied from legit news sources.

MannyIsGod 09-28-2006 04:00 AM

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Ron,

You don't really know that they are making ANY effort, because their unsupported word that they are doing so just isn't enough. All they have done is make some claims and regurgitate news from supposedly inside sources but which most likely was copied from legit news sources.

[/ QUOTE ]

First you say you're upset becuase he may be misrepresenting you and then you are upset because they are not making any effort.

That doesn't add up my friend.

ZBTHorton 09-28-2006 04:21 AM

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Ron,

You don't really know that they are making ANY effort, because their unsupported word that they are doing so just isn't enough. All they have done is make some claims and regurgitate news from supposedly inside sources but which most likely was copied from legit news sources.

[/ QUOTE ]

If you spent 1/2 as much time calling senators and doing [censored], instead of bitching about a group that isn't changing REGARDLESS OF WHAT YOU SAY you'd be far more valuable to this cause.

I think this vendeta you have against NROG is bordering on childish, and is now officially harming this forum far more than you could ever hope to help it. Please grow up.

BluffTHIS! 09-28-2006 04:22 AM

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manny,

Check out your local college for a logic course. The implication of your statement is that an inept or fraudulent effort is not a mispresentation.

5thStreetHog 09-28-2006 04:30 AM

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[ QUOTE ]
[ QUOTE ]
Ron,

You don't really know that they are making ANY effort, because their unsupported word that they are doing so just isn't enough. All they have done is make some claims and regurgitate news from supposedly inside sources but which most likely was copied from legit news sources.

[/ QUOTE ]

If you spent 1/2 as much time calling senators and doing [censored], instead of bitching about a group that isn't changing REGARDLESS OF WHAT YOU SAY you'd be far more valuable to this cause.

I think this vendeta you have against NROG is bordering on childish, and is now officially harming this forum far more than you could ever hope to help it. Please grow up.

[/ QUOTE ] agreed

BluffTHIS! 09-28-2006 04:42 AM

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[ QUOTE ]
[ QUOTE ]
Ron,

You don't really know that they are making ANY effort, because their unsupported word that they are doing so just isn't enough. All they have done is make some claims and regurgitate news from supposedly inside sources but which most likely was copied from legit news sources.

[/ QUOTE ]

If you spent 1/2 as much time calling senators and doing [censored], instead of bitching about a group that isn't changing REGARDLESS OF WHAT YOU SAY you'd be far more valuable to this cause.

I think this vendeta you have against NROG is bordering on childish, and is now officially harming this forum far more than you could ever hope to help it. Please grow up.

[/ QUOTE ]


ZB,

While you and many others here now have an intense interest in the legislation issue and have been following same in this forum recently, many of us have been following from the beginning of this forum. As such, we recognize who are the legit posters with insider knowledge, and what characteristics new posters who profess same are likely to have if they are legit. You simply aren't able to recognize those things.

If you were able to, you would have noticed that this guy has just been hyping himself, making unsubstantiated claims, and acting as if news he has given is insider info, when in reality it is virtually certain to have been just an edited version of late-breaking news from respectable news sources that cover congress.

And far from harming this forum, I am attempting to help it determine who is an individual or organization worthy of our support. To that end, I have asked nrog some questions in the other threads, about which he has not been very forthcoming. In particular, his claims to be using lobbyists and relaying the info from same just hasn't seen a thread of authentication. When he can easily as I noted above just state who his lobbyists so that can be verified.

And a larger point here as well, is that many of you younger guys who might be excellent poker players just lack the real world experience and knowledge of hustlers, liars and conmen that many of us older guys have seen a thousand times over. In other words, you are naive suckers. Maybe you think that just isn't possible, but there are plenty of top players who are suckers in other areas of gambling, women or life. And the willingness of yourself and many others here to accept a n00b poster's uncorroborated and self-promoting statements which on occasion have been erroneous (and which he refuses to acknowledge), driven no doubt by your fear of this legislative threat, proves that this is so.

Tuco 09-28-2006 04:45 AM

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ZB,

He's asked one simple, easy to answer question over and over with no reply.

All of us can have a roll to play in the fight. Some of us bring the word to the people, others like BT make sure that our reps are reputable. Don't see why this is a problem. Everyone and their dog is all over the PPA, but its not alright to get some credentials from this guy?

Tuco.

Ron Burgundy 09-28-2006 04:52 AM

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If you were able to, you would have noticed that this guy has just been hyping himself, making unsubstantiated claims, and acting as if news he has given is insider info, when in reality it is virtually certain to have been just an edited version of late-breaking news from respectable news sources that cover congress.

[/ QUOTE ]

And you are just trolling this forum hyping yourself as the ultimate authority on legitamacy.

Kedu 09-28-2006 05:02 AM

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I wanna hate on bluffthis but its weird that the nrog guy won't answer his question.

ZBTHorton 09-28-2006 05:03 AM

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ZB,

[ QUOTE ]
While you and many others here now have an intense interest in the legislation issue and have been following same in this forum recently, many of us have been following from the beginning of this forum. As such, we recognize who are the legit posters with insider knowledge, and what characteristics new posters who profess same are likely to have if they are legit. You simply aren't able to recognize those things.

[/ QUOTE ]

First of all, don't talk about [censored] you know nothing about. I have been an active reader of this forum for a very very long time. It doesn't require you to post in order to read posts.

Secondly, who made you the expert on this topic?


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If you were able to, you would have noticed that this guy has just been hyping himself, making unsubstantiated claims, and acting as if news he has given is insider info, when in reality it is virtually certain to have been just an edited version of late-breaking news from respectable news sources that cover congress.

[/ QUOTE ]

Honestly. I don't [censored] care. His information on the happenings going on haven't been anymore or any less informative than any other source. Every [censored] time ANYTHING happens we see 5 different stories from 5 different sources saying 5 different things.

The Hill posted that he snuck the IG Bill into the DoD bill, are they untrustworthy now? Please let me know, since you are apparently the expert on trustworthy posters. After all, your older than me, and have been reading the forum for a long time. That's a strong resume.

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And far from harming this forum, I am attempting to help it determine who is an individual or organization worthy of our support. To that end, I have asked nrog some questions in the other threads, about which he has not been very forthcoming. In particular, his claims to be using lobbyists and relaying the info from same just hasn't seen a thread of authentication. When he can easily as I noted above just state who his lobbyists so that can be verified.

[/ QUOTE ]

Who freaking cares? He gets info, and comes to tell us about it. We take his info, info from PPA, info from The Hill, info from AP, info from Reuters, info from Mr K/Berge/Nate/random dudes and we compile it all. We analyze it to get the most out of it. The more the merrier. He hasn't posted a single thing out of line, and has in fact been right against several "well known" online newspapers and magazines.

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And a larger point here as well, is that many of you younger guys who might be excellent poker players just lack the real world experience and knowledge of hustlers, liars and conmen that many of us older guys have seen a thousand times over. In other words, you are naive suckers. Maybe you think that just isn't possible, but there are plenty of top players who are suckers in other areas of gambling, women or life. And the willingness of yourself and many others here to accept a n00b poster's uncorroborated and self-promoting statements which on occasion have been erroneous (and which he refuses to acknowledge), driven no doubt by your fear of this legislative threat, proves that this is so.

[/ QUOTE ]

This is just a ridiculous statement. You plant a judgement on me based on absolutely nothing. You know nothing about me, my political background, my legislation background, my naiveness, my life experience or anything else. You make yourself look like a complete [censored] moron. Keep running your mouth please, even less people will listen.

ZBTHorton 09-28-2006 05:07 AM

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ZB,

He's asked one simple, easy to answer question over and over with no reply.

All of us can have a roll to play in the fight. Some of us bring the word to the people, others like BT make sure that our reps are reputable. Don't see why this is a problem. Everyone and their dog is all over the PPA, but its not alright to get some credentials from this guy?

Tuco.

[/ QUOTE ]

So he won't reveal his sources, big deal.

A big % of the articles we've analyzed on this forum for weeks are speaking on "sources" that are not revealed. Are we going to stop reading articles from the AP? Or Reuters? OR some other gaming source? Give me a break. It just doesn't matter.

dustyn 09-28-2006 05:11 AM

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[ QUOTE ]
If you were able to, you would have noticed that this guy has just been hyping himself, making unsubstantiated claims, and acting as if news he has given is insider info, when in reality it is virtually certain to have been just an edited version of late-breaking news from respectable news sources that cover congress.

[/ QUOTE ]

And you are just trolling this forum hyping yourself as the ultimate authority on legitamacy.

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Agreed. Bluffthis = troll.

Mason Malmuth 09-28-2006 05:19 AM

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Membership is free, but the organization accepts donations. Jakusik is structuring donation rewards packages through which people who make donations upon signing up get credits at poker rooms or online gambling sites at which they are not a member.

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This looks very questionable to me. While I believe that having an affiliate business is fine, I can't help but think if members of Congress discover that the lobbying group is actually a large affiliate they will question its claims to be representing players.

Now I know nothing about NROG, so I may have this wrong. Perhaps someone can fill us in.

Mason

Leader 09-28-2006 05:26 AM

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Membership is free, but the organization accepts donations. Jakusik is structuring donation rewards packages through which people who make donations upon signing up get credits at poker rooms or online gambling sites at which they are not a member.

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This looks very questionable to me. While I believe that having an affiliate business is fine, I can't help but think if members of Congress discover that the lobbying group is actually a large affiliate they will question its claims to be representing players.

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Seems to me that affiliates and players are pretty much in the same boat on this issue. Though I'll grant you that people outside the industry might not understand that.

Tuco 09-28-2006 05:27 AM

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Give me a break. It just doesn't matter.

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Maybe not to you. Some of the things he has said and his organization have stated merit questioning, wheather you think so or not. Simple questions, nothing more nothing less.

I know if I had put myself in his postion I would be ready to answer all this stuff.

Tuco.

Capitola 09-28-2006 07:19 AM

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I don't share some people's rabid antagonism toward NROG, but I think it's right to be skeptical. They haven't made a totally positive first impression.

The way I see it, the "non-profit" NROG could generate profit for its owners in a couple different ways. First, their stated primary goal is not lobbying, it's getting the word out for our side about online gambling. That means mass media ad buys, which will be purchased with our donations. The two guys running NROG just happen to own an agency that does ad buys, so who do you think NROG is going to use as their agent? As I understand it, the agency typically gets a percentage of the ad buy as their fee, so that's one way NROG's owners can get a cut of our donations.

Second, there's this affiliate business which sounds potentially shady, as Mason pointed out. If NROG is going to generate revenue as an affiliate, why not just come out and say so? But maybe they're not. Maybe NROG is planning to contract out the affiliate business to an "outside agency" owned by, well, let's guess. NROG funnels business to the affiliate, and the affiliate keeps a lion's share of the profits. Admittedly this is just speculation, and I'm not saying it is their plan, but it could be the plan.

I also find it shady that JayB claims to be employing a major lobbying firm, yet he won't answer the simple question of which lobbying firm they're using. If it turns out he was stretching the truth on this, NROG's credibility goes right in the toilet. If he won't answer, he should at least tell us a very good reason why he won't answer.

Like I said, I don't think we should mindlessly bash NROG, or assume everything they say is BS, but some good old poker player's skepticism is definitely in order here. We've heard a lot of hype so far, now it's time to hear some facts. Not defensiveness, not childish pouting, not more hype. Just the facts.

Mason Malmuth 09-28-2006 07:41 AM

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Hi Leader:

There are really three groups that want to see the legislation fail. They are the Internet cardrooms, the individual players, and the affiliates. The thing is, at least in my opinion, that when a group claims to represent the second group listed (the players) but then turns out to be a member of the third group (the affiliates) I believe it brings their whole purpose into question from the point of view of the members of Congress.

Best wishes,
Mason

nrog 09-28-2006 08:49 AM

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Hey guys. To answer Mason's question...it's actually something we talked about with the reporter but was left out of the article. The story was long so I'm sure she was trying to not print every word we spoke. So let me clear it up. NROG is not and will not be any sort of affiliate site. The great sites we're working with will match (up to 100%) the donation given to NROG. We get the donation in full and the donor gets to select a site that he will instantly have credit at. We do not take part of the rake, the site does not pay us a dime. This is not an affiliate program and can never be anything close. We hope that its a great way to reward our donaors with something of value to them. Also...it wont cost NROG a cent, this way every dime that's donated can go to the cause.

Again, thanks for teh support guys. We'll keep updating you when we feel there is something credible to report.

JayB
NROG

Silent1 09-28-2006 08:50 AM

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Hi Jay ...

Please keep posting. News updates are always welcome. [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]

IndyFish 09-28-2006 09:03 AM

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Hi Jay ...

Please keep posting. News updates are always welcome. [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]

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I agree. Skeptical or not, if you're doing half the stuff you claim to do then you're doing ten times what most others are doing. Keep up the fight.

Mr.K 09-28-2006 09:20 AM

Re: iGaming News Story On NROG. Info Maybe You Didn\'t Know About Us.
 
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Hey guys. To answer Mason's question...it's actually something we talked about with the reporter but was left out of the article. The story was long so I'm sure she was trying to not print every word we spoke. So let me clear it up. NROG is not and will not be any sort of affiliate site. The great sites we're working with will match (up to 100%) the donation given to NROG. We get the donation in full and the donor gets to select a site that he will instantly have credit at. We do not take part of the rake, the site does not pay us a dime. This is not an affiliate program and can never be anything close. We hope that its a great way to reward our donaors with something of value to them. Also...it wont cost NROG a cent, this way every dime that's donated can go to the cause.

Again, thanks for teh support guys. We'll keep updating you when we feel there is something credible to report.

JayB
NROG

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I'm not an expert on campaign finance law, but I want to point out that this scheme of reimbursing players (via affiliates) for their contributions to NROG may have legal implications if NROG engages in contributions to PACs or candidates.

Freerollin` 09-28-2006 09:22 AM

Re: iGaming News Story On NROG. Info Maybe You Didn\'t Know About Us.
 
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Give me a break. It just doesn't matter.

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Maybe not to you. Some of the things he has said and his organization have stated merit questioning, wheather you think so or not. Simple questions, nothing more nothing less.

I know if I had put myself in his postion I would be ready to answer all this stuff.

Tuco.

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You promised to stop trolling NROG a few days ago. What has changed?

Hock_ 09-28-2006 09:35 AM

Re: iGaming News Story On NROG. Info Maybe You Didn\'t Know About Us.
 
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I'm not an expert on campaign finance law, but I want to point out that this scheme of reimbursing players (via affiliates) for their contributions to NROG may have legal implications if NROG engages in contributions to PACs or candidates.

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This is exactly right. You need to be very careful about this, in particular with respect to PACs.

nrog 09-28-2006 09:40 AM

Re: iGaming News Story On NROG. Info Maybe You Didn\'t Know About Us.
 
I'm not the guy putting this all together (forgive my ignorance on the issue) but I'm guessing the swarm of lawyers (from our org and the gaming sites) are on top of that. I'm confident in them and their ability to roll out a program that is legal and fair for our donors.

nrog 09-28-2006 09:51 AM

Re: iGaming News Story On NROG. Info Maybe You Didn\'t Know About Us.
 
I must have posted this on a different forum but I'll post again to answer some of your concerns.


This is not an affiliate program at all and can't be for obvious reasons. The donors to NROG will be rewarded by a website with a credit. No money changes hands between NROG and the sites although you could actually consider it a donation from the site to NROG. Our 501(c)4 status was done for a reason...I'm sure I dont need to explain it...you are all definitely on top of your game on these issues.

The agency NROG is using is indeed owned by our partners, including myself. To date the agency has donated and will continute to donate it's services. This means no commissions, no fees, etc. I can't be any more clear. This is NOT about money for us. I and my partners have been fortunate enough in our business venture that we can devote our time and attention to this without making money. We're no Donald Trump...just a few guys who will do whatever we can to help.

Sad that the world we live in no longer accepts help when offered and replies with a thank you, instead we analyize the person, make sure their hand is clean, do a background check and assume their guilty becuase "why would anyone want to help me?". I can assure you all...be skeptical if you must but NROG is not here for anything else but to win this fight with you.

We'll continue plugging away and thank all of you for your support. We'll gain your trust someday...and our hand is always out to help.

Capitola 09-28-2006 10:02 AM

Re: iGaming News Story On NROG. Info Maybe You Didn\'t Know About Us.
 
I want to sincerely thank you, not only for what you're doing, but for answering some of our questions here. The more facts you present, the easier it is to trust you.

I just don't understand why you won't answer the question about the lobbying firm. There has to be a reason that you're ducking this question, but I'm at a loss to explain it.

With that one piece of information, you could easily take the wind out of the sails of your critics here.

cowboy.up 09-28-2006 10:14 AM

Re: iGaming News Story On NROG. Info Maybe You Didn\'t Know About Us.
 
If you don't like nrog - there's a simple thing to do: don't contribute money and just block their posts. It's really sad to see people continually rip apart an organization that is trying to help us. At this point I don't care if it's a lobbying firm or aliens that come out of the sky and beam up Frist, as long as this issue is resolved and I can still play poker. Just quit trolling nrog, those that want to read their posts and help out their (our) campaign will do so - but all this flaming is seriously hurting any progress we might make. We have no chance of fighting this thing if we're fighting each other first and the issue at hand second.

Capitola 09-28-2006 10:26 AM

Re: iGaming News Story On NROG. Info Maybe You Didn\'t Know About Us.
 
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Just quit trolling nrog, those that want to read their posts and help out their (our) campaign will do so - but all this flaming is seriously hurting any progress we might make.

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If you think anything I'm doing constitutes flaming or trolling, then you are in serious need of an internet dictionary.

TruePoker CEO 09-28-2006 10:35 AM

The Brian and Jay Nrog Show ? There IS value there for the \"Cause\"
 
Briefly, I could care less if the Brian and Jay Radio Show is competent as a lobbyist, so long as they work to rally public support for the right to play online poker.

I thought the article they posted was interesting, it really put them in perspective. (Why couldn't Jay's posts here read as lucidly as Brian's interview statement about public awareness ?) Although the interview undercut a lot of their claims posted here asbout lobbying, it gives a good read on their strengths and weaknesses .... Think of them as Poker's own Rush Limbaughs.

Does anyone know if they actually have current radio exposure ? The article says everything in the past tense, that they sold off their radio network .... It could be worthwhile to try and get them back up and talking .... in poker oriented media. Certainly, another voice is useful.


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