Report: Iraq War Made Terror Worse
 

Was really that hard to see this coming 3 years ago?

Report: Iraq War Made Terror Worse

I Don\'t Agree
 

I don't agree. Before the 2nd Iraq War, terrorist attacks were increasing against the USA.
Before the 2nd Iraq War there were:
1. the African Embassy Bombings,
2. the attack on the USS Cole,
3. the first bombing of the World Trade center, and
4. the second attack on the world trade center on 9/11.
*And this is NOT a comprehensive list!

The trend BEFORE the Iraq war was an increase both in the number and audacity of terrorists attacks against the USA. The analyst that wrote this nonsense decided to ignore this.... The trend al Qaeda terrorism began during Clinton's presidency and increased due to his incompetance...

The are lots of would be terrorists in the middle-east. There main constraint is money.
Now that the USA is in Afghanistan and Iraq, terrorists can travel cheaply to these two countries to attack Americans.

If Bush43 succeeds in creating a free and independent Iraq, then the benefits will revolutionize the middle-east... I don't like our chances in Afghanistan. The Afghan culture has a long history of decadence and barbarity and I think the NATO policy in Afghanistan is highly flawed....

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Felix, we're not talking about one analyst writing a report:

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The report, the classified National Intelligence Estimate, "says that the Iraq war has made the overall terrorism problem worse," one American intelligence official told The New York Times.
Completed in April, the intelligence estimate reflects the views of 16 different spy agencies within the U.S. government. Instead of weakening Islamic radicalism, the report titled "Trends in Global Terrorism: Implications for the United States," says the jihad ideology has spread worldwide since the Iraq war.

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Felix, we're not talking about one analyst writing a report:

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The report, the classified National Intelligence Estimate, "says that the Iraq war has made the overall terrorism problem worse," one American intelligence official told The New York Times.
Completed in April, the intelligence estimate reflects the views of 16 different spy agencies within the U.S. government. Instead of weakening Islamic radicalism, the report titled "Trends in Global Terrorism: Implications for the United States," says the jihad ideology has spread worldwide since the Iraq war.

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No, youre talking about 16 spy agencies that dont necessarily have the types of people on board to predict what would have happened with alternative reactions to SH and the war on terror.

What we do know is that during the inaction of the prior years, they did a damn good job of recruiting and training terrorist world wide. To assume that the growth after the Iraq war would have been greater or less than absent the war is more speculation than science.

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What we do know is that during the inaction of the prior years, they did a damn good job of recruiting and training terrorist world wide. To assume that the growth after the Iraq war would have been greater or less than absent the war is more speculation than science.

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Amen.....

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No, youre talking about 16 spy agencies that dont necessarily have the types of people on board to predict what would have happened with alternative reactions to SH and the war on terror.

What we do know is that during the inaction of the prior years, they did a damn good job of recruiting and training terrorist world wide. To assume that the growth after the Iraq war would have been greater or less than absent the war is more speculation than science.

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I trust the speculation of 16 different spy agencies then a random person on a poker forum.

And to answer Sirio's question, I remember people speculating back before the invasion began about how we could breed more AntiAmericanism and terrorism by invading Iraq.

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Except Im not speculating about anything. Now I remember why you were on ignore. I wont make the same mistake again.

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Watching idiots trying to refute irrefutable facts amuses me.

Disclaimer: For anti-banning purposes, I am referring to no one in this thread. Just a general statement.

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Wow, amazing insight: violence escalates in war.
That's like saying a boxing match turned violent once the bell rang.

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Did anyone hear actually read the report to see exactly what it said? Or, is the fact that CBS reported it enough?

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Did anyone hear actually read the report to see exactly what it said? Or, is the fact that CBS reported it enough?

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I think the New York Times broke the story. But no one here has read it because the document itself hasn't been leaked. The reports are based on interviews "more than a dozen" anonymous government officials.

NYT

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Except Im not speculating about anything. Now I remember why you were on ignore. I wont make the same mistake again.

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It seems like you're arbitrarily dismissing the findings of a report by 16 agencies that have a lot of expertise in analyzing this sort of thing. I can see why you would ignore me. After all, I have more faith in the report then you do. Better if you ignore people who disagree with you.

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Did anyone hear actually read the report to see exactly what it said? Or, is the fact that CBS reported it enough?

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I think the New York Times broke the story. But no one here has read it because the document itself hasn't been leaked. The reports are based on interviews "more than a dozen" anonymous government officials.

NYT

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I don't agree. Before the 2nd Iraq War, terrorist attacks were increasing against the USA.
Before the 2nd Iraq War there were:
1. the African Embassy Bombings,
2. the attack on the USS Cole,
3. the first bombing of the World Trade center, and
4. the second attack on the world trade center on 9/11.
*And this is NOT a comprehensive list!

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As far as we know, Bin Laden played a major role in all of these. Bin Laden was sent into hiding because of our actions in Afghanistan, not Iraq.

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I don't know why I'm taking you seriously because the NYT has the finest collection of journalists in the country, but the Washington Post came out with the story at the same time and they were probably sharing the information.

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I don't agree. Before the 2nd Iraq War, terrorist attacks were increasing against the USA.
Before the 2nd Iraq War there were:
1. the African Embassy Bombings,
2. the attack on the USS Cole,
3. the first bombing of the World Trade center, and
4. the second attack on the world trade center on 9/11.
*And this is NOT a comprehensive list!

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As far as we know, Bin Laden played a major role in all of these. Bin Laden was sent into hiding because of our actions in Afghanistan, not Iraq.

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What does it being Afgh. vs Iraq have to do with his post or the topic, which is growth of terrorism worldwide?

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I don't know why I'm taking you seriously because the NYT has the finest collection of journalists in the country, but the Washington Post came out with the story at the same time and they were probably sharing the information.

[/ QUOTE ]So, you need no more that a newspaper telling you it is true to believe something? I guess I can see that because god knows that a newpaper has never slanted, twisted, misunderstood, or faked information before. Of course, there are those of us who like to actually see the info for ourselves before we choose to believe it is true or not.

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Was really that hard to see this coming 3 years ago?

Report: Iraq War Made Terror Worse

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No, sadly it was pretty obvious this was going to fuel extremism despite what the Bush apologists will have you believe. Many commentators stated that this would be the exact result of the Iraq war.

The idea that all these people were going to become suicide bombers anyway and now we can convientiently fight them in Iraq instead of on American soil is just about as absurd as the idea that invading Iraq was about spreading Democracy. Sadly people still seem to believe both.

We've mentioned internment in the Irish situation before in previous threads, and how that acted as the best recruitment tool the IRA (etc) ever had. In that case the people recruited actually had "stuff" as well, like houses and jobs and a "rich" western way of life. Imagine how many more people will turn to extremism in a less developed country and situation.

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Remember in summer of 2004 that supposed CIA "assessment" about how worst case Iraq was going to degenerate into a civil war and best case there would be serious ethnic violence. How we were told that this was just a hypothetical looksy in the future or whatever the spin explanation was.

So experts are saying that War has destablized the region and created more terrorist. Inconceivable.

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Just a quick question for you. What if the New York Times ran a headline which read: "Civil Rights Movement Said to Worsen Threat of Racism." The article tells you "Efforts by the Justice Department to end racial discrimination in the South has helped spawn a new wave of racial animosity." You read further and discover that recruitment of members into the Ku Klux Klan has increased since the federal government stepped up its efforts to bring the vote to Southern blacks.

Tell me .. .would it be time to pull back and let the racists and bigots just have their way? Or would our determination to go forward with the civil rights struggle merely be strengthened?

Democrats, desperate to do anything to reverse their slide in the polls, are jumping on this story big time, with no small amount of help from the media

Look closely at the Democratic position here. They are saying that we shouldn't have invaded Iraq because it is causing more terrorism. In other words, we made them mad. We shouldn't fight wars because it might make the Islamic terrorists upset. That being the case, can you imagine how mad the Islamic fascists would be if we caught or killed Osama bin Laden? That is, if he isn't already dead.

Maybe we should call off the hunt for Osama, Mullah Omar, and the rest of them! After all, if we catch them it's just going to piss these pissants off. Can't have that, can we?

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"Look closely at the Democratic position here. They are saying that we shouldn't have invaded Iraq because it is causing more terrorism"

1. Look closely at whose position is at issue here. (hint: who wrote the report)

2. $300 billion, thousands of dead soldiers, tens of thousands wounded, and the problem is getting worse. We still haven't heeded the recommendations of the 911 Commision re protecting the fatherland, err homeland. Bin Laden...

There is a smart way to fight and a dumb ass way, face the facts, this is a debacle of the highest order, no end is in sight, its getting worse.

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The Democrats have listed many good reasons not to invade Iraq.

I think you're missing the simple points-
(1) what's going on in Iraq is what many experts (read- not Bush) have predicted would happen before and after the invasion
(2) As many have guessed- Bush has made us less safe
(3) we are not winning the war on terror. Terrorism is on the rise.

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Democrats, desperate to do anything to reverse their slide in the polls, are jumping on this story big time, with no small amount of help from the media


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Democrats are not jumping on it... who besides the zanier members of the RW apologists wouldn't find this important? Of course the goofier rw zealots don't think there's been a mistake and the US should just carry on... after all, its working so well. But the rest find this report compelling.

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They are saying that we shouldn't have invaded Iraq because it is causing more terrorism. In other words, we made them mad.

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That's not what they're saying. And your second sentence is not the same as your first sentence.

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Excellent analogy Steve...best Ive heard yet. Too logical for the lefties, but quality all the same.

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WHHHAAAATTTTT????

Government programs create the opposite effect of their (supposed) intentions? And thus creating an everlasting problem requiring evergrowing funds?

No way!!?!

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In honor of your attempts at the worst analogies of all time, i think i'll respond to this one.

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Just a quick question for you. What if the New York Times ran a headline which read: "Civil Rights Movement Said to Worsen Threat of Racism." The article tells you "Efforts by the Justice Department to end racial discrimination in the South has helped spawn a new wave of racial animosity." You read further and discover that recruitment of members into the Ku Klux Klan has increased since the federal government stepped up its efforts to bring the vote to Southern blacks.

Tell me .. .would it be time to pull back and let the racists and bigots just have their way? Or would our determination to go forward with the civil rights struggle merely be strengthened?

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Riddle me this batman. If after four years of efforts to reduce racism in the south the number of lynchings of blacks had increased, fewer blacks were registering to vote out of fear, and the number of KKK members had increased- would you consider said efforts to be
1. A big success, no more problems with racism.
2. A moderate success- lets keep doing the same thing.
3. A moderate failure- time to reasses and maybe adjust our tactics.
4. A complete failure. Time for something new.

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They are saying that we shouldn't have invaded Iraq because it is causing more terrorism. In other words, we made them mad

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Who is them? Remeber that we didn't make people who were already plotting agisnt the US mad- we made people who had no intention of attacking the US mad. I would consider that a massive failure.

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That being the case, can you imagine how mad the Islamic fascists would be if we caught or killed Osama bin Laden?

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See only people who are ALREADY in that boat will be mad, not people who didn't care previously. The thing about IRaq is that it took people who previously weren't interested in killing americans and pushed them into that camp.

Thats not what the report said
 

As many suspected, the report did not say that terrorism was worse as a result of the war in Iraq.

A single leaked paragraph in the 35 page report, which is a 5 year look ahead at terrorism, says that Iraq is being used for proganda. Everything the US does is used as propaganda!

I hope they get serious about hunting down leakers of classified documents

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In honor of your attempts at the worst analogies of all time, i think i'll respond to this one.


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I didn't even try, my head hurts after reading that analogy ... oh man, I need some fresh air.

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Just a quick question for you. What if the New York Times ran a headline which read: "Civil Rights Movement Said to Worsen Threat of Racism." The article tells you "Efforts by the Justice Department to end racial discrimination in the South has helped spawn a new wave of racial animosity." You read further and discover that recruitment of members into the Ku Klux Klan has increased since the federal government stepped up its efforts to bring the vote to Southern blacks.

Tell me .. .would it be time to pull back and let the racists and bigots just have their way? Or would our determination to go forward with the civil rights struggle merely be strengthened?

Democrats, desperate to do anything to reverse their slide in the polls, are jumping on this story big time, with no small amount of help from the media

Look closely at the Democratic position here. They are saying that we shouldn't have invaded Iraq because it is causing more terrorism. In other words, we made them mad. We shouldn't fight wars because it might make the Islamic terrorists upset. That being the case, can you imagine how mad the Islamic fascists would be if we caught or killed Osama bin Laden? That is, if he isn't already dead.

Maybe we should call off the hunt for Osama, Mullah Omar, and the rest of them! After all, if we catch them it's just going to piss these pissants off. Can't have that, can we?


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The main problem with this analogy (one of many problems, quite frankly) is that it completely misrepresents the Democrats' position on the Global War on Terror. There hasn't been a single Democrat who has said that we shouldn't be fighting the war on terror. There have been many who are saying that we are going the wrong way and making stupid choices (with Iraq being the crown jewel of tragically stupid choices).

To go back to your analogy, if that indeed did happen during the Civil Rights era, of course the movement shouldn't be abandoned. What should happen is that the strategies being used to accomplish the goals of the Civil Rights movement should be questioned and the formulators of that strategy be held to account. Failed policies should be abandoned, failed policy makers should be removed and new ideas should be debated and attempted.

This is exactly what the Democrats are asking for now.

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Well Boy Wonder, I seemed to have struck a nerve.
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In honor of your attempts at the worst analogies of all time, i think i'll respond to this one.

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Just a quick question for you. What if the New York Times ran a headline which read: "Civil Rights Movement Said to Worsen Threat of Racism." The article tells you "Efforts by the Justice Department to end racial discrimination in the South has helped spawn a new wave of racial animosity." You read further and discover that recruitment of members into the Ku Klux Klan has increased since the federal government stepped up its efforts to bring the vote to Southern blacks.

Tell me .. .would it be time to pull back and let the racists and bigots just have their way? Or would our determination to go forward with the civil rights struggle merely be strengthened?

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Riddle me this batman. If after four years of efforts to reduce racism in the south the number of lynchings of blacks had increased, fewer blacks were registering to vote out of fear, and the number of KKK members had increased- would you consider said efforts to be
1. A big success, no more problems with racism.
2. A moderate success- lets keep doing the same thing.
3. A moderate failure- time to reasses and maybe adjust our tactics.
4. A complete failure. Time for something new.

5. A noble cause worth fighting for.

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They are saying that we shouldn't have invaded Iraq because it is causing more terrorism. In other words, we made them mad

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Who is them? Remeber that we didn't make people who were already plotting agisnt the US mad- we made people who had no intention of attacking the US mad. I would consider that a massive failure.

UBL and those of his kind.

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That being the case, can you imagine how mad the Islamic fascists would be if we caught or killed Osama bin Laden?

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See only people who are ALREADY in that boat will be mad, not people who didn't care previously. The thing about IRaq is that it took people who previously weren't interested in killing americans and pushed them into that camp.

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Just a quick question for you. What if the New York Times ran a headline which read: "Civil Rights Movement Said to Worsen Threat of Racism." The article tells you "Efforts by the Justice Department to end racial discrimination in the South has helped spawn a new wave of racial animosity." You read further and discover that recruitment of members into the Ku Klux Klan has increased since the federal government stepped up its efforts to bring the vote to Southern blacks.

Tell me .. .would it be time to pull back and let the racists and bigots just have their way? Or would our determination to go forward with the civil rights struggle merely be strengthened?

Democrats, desperate to do anything to reverse their slide in the polls, are jumping on this story big time, with no small amount of help from the media

Look closely at the Democratic position here. They are saying that we shouldn't have invaded Iraq because it is causing more terrorism. In other words, we made them mad. We shouldn't fight wars because it might make the Islamic terrorists upset. That being the case, can you imagine how mad the Islamic fascists would be if we caught or killed Osama bin Laden? That is, if he isn't already dead.

Maybe we should call off the hunt for Osama, Mullah Omar, and the rest of them! After all, if we catch them it's just going to piss these pissants off. Can't have that, can we?


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The main problem with this analogy (one of many problems, quite frankly) is that it completely misrepresents the Democrats' position on the Global War on Terror. There hasn't been a single Democrat who has said that we shouldn't be fighting the war on terror. There have been many who are saying that we are going the wrong way and making stupid choices (with Iraq being the crown jewel of tragically stupid choices).

To go back to your analogy, if that indeed did happen during the Civil Rights era, of course the movement shouldn't be abandoned. What should happen is that the strategies being used to accomplish the goals of the Civil Rights movement should be questioned and the formulators of that strategy be held to account. Failed policies should be abandoned, failed policy makers should be removed and new ideas should be debated and attempted.

This is exactly what the Democrats are asking for now.

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Someone please tell me the ideas they want debated other than premature withdrawal.

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Someone please tell me the ideas they want debated other than premature withdrawal.

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Why? Premature is an important issue. I for one think that premature withdrawl is the most important issue facing today's woman.

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Just a quick question for you. What if the New York Times ran a headline which read: "Civil Rights Movement Said to Worsen Threat of Racism." The article tells you "Efforts by the Justice Department to end racial discrimination in the South has helped spawn a new wave of racial animosity." You read further and discover that recruitment of members into the Ku Klux Klan has increased since the federal government stepped up its efforts to bring the vote to Southern blacks.

Tell me .. .would it be time to pull back and let the racists and bigots just have their way? Or would our determination to go forward with the civil rights struggle merely be strengthened?

Democrats, desperate to do anything to reverse their slide in the polls, are jumping on this story big time, with no small amount of help from the media

Look closely at the Democratic position here. They are saying that we shouldn't have invaded Iraq because it is causing more terrorism. In other words, we made them mad. We shouldn't fight wars because it might make the Islamic terrorists upset. That being the case, can you imagine how mad the Islamic fascists would be if we caught or killed Osama bin Laden? That is, if he isn't already dead.

Maybe we should call off the hunt for Osama, Mullah Omar, and the rest of them! After all, if we catch them it's just going to piss these pissants off. Can't have that, can we?


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The main problem with this analogy (one of many problems, quite frankly) is that it completely misrepresents the Democrats' position on the Global War on Terror. There hasn't been a single Democrat who has said that we shouldn't be fighting the war on terror. There have been many who are saying that we are going the wrong way and making stupid choices (with Iraq being the crown jewel of tragically stupid choices).

To go back to your analogy, if that indeed did happen during the Civil Rights era, of course the movement shouldn't be abandoned. What should happen is that the strategies being used to accomplish the goals of the Civil Rights movement should be questioned and the formulators of that strategy be held to account. Failed policies should be abandoned, failed policy makers should be removed and new ideas should be debated and attempted.

This is exactly what the Democrats are asking for now.

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Someone please tell me the ideas they want debated other than premature withdrawal.

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Steve,

You're embarrassing yourself.

You should let it go.

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In honor of your attempts at the worst analogies of all time, i think i'll respond to this one.


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I didn't even try, my head hurts after reading that analogy ... oh man, I need some fresh air.

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S11......

I'm sure you remember the old poker quote?

.....Never argue with a moron. They drag you down to their level and beat you with their logic.

As far as fresh air?

It's on the way. The overwhelming weight of evidence is inexorably making it's way to the light of day.

The current administration's Orwellian manipulation of both facts and their actions is despicable and self-serving.

I am again reminded of the quote by the Emperor Claudius to one of his advisors.

"Let all the snakes hatch out".

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Just a quick question for you. What if the New York Times ran a headline which read: "Civil Rights Movement Said to Worsen Threat of Racism." The article tells you "Efforts by the Justice Department to end racial discrimination in the South has helped spawn a new wave of racial animosity." You read further and discover that recruitment of members into the Ku Klux Klan has increased since the federal government stepped up its efforts to bring the vote to Southern blacks.

Tell me .. .would it be time to pull back and let the racists and bigots just have their way? Or would our determination to go forward with the civil rights struggle merely be strengthened?

Democrats, desperate to do anything to reverse their slide in the polls, are jumping on this story big time, with no small amount of help from the media

Look closely at the Democratic position here. They are saying that we shouldn't have invaded Iraq because it is causing more terrorism. In other words, we made them mad. We shouldn't fight wars because it might make the Islamic terrorists upset. That being the case, can you imagine how mad the Islamic fascists would be if we caught or killed Osama bin Laden? That is, if he isn't already dead.

Maybe we should call off the hunt for Osama, Mullah Omar, and the rest of them! After all, if we catch them it's just going to piss these pissants off. Can't have that, can we?


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The main problem with this analogy (one of many problems, quite frankly) is that it completely misrepresents the Democrats' position on the Global War on Terror. There hasn't been a single Democrat who has said that we shouldn't be fighting the war on terror. There have been many who are saying that we are going the wrong way and making stupid choices (with Iraq being the crown jewel of tragically stupid choices).

To go back to your analogy, if that indeed did happen during the Civil Rights era, of course the movement shouldn't be abandoned. What should happen is that the strategies being used to accomplish the goals of the Civil Rights movement should be questioned and the formulators of that strategy be held to account. Failed policies should be abandoned, failed policy makers should be removed and new ideas should be debated and attempted.

This is exactly what the Democrats are asking for now.

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Someone please tell me the ideas they want debated other than premature withdrawal.

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Steve,

You're embarrassing yourself.

You should let it go.

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Thanks for the advice. I appreciate you looking out for me.

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and she says you are embarassing YOURself!

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and she says you are embarassing YOURself!

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I'm comfortable letting my posts speak for themselves, as I'm sure you are with yours.

Given that it appears that you and I disagree on many issues, it is no surprise to me that you would make the above comment.

That's part of what makes the world go round, eh?

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and she says you are embarassing YOURself!

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I'm comfortable letting my posts speak for themselves, as I'm sure you are with yours.

Given that it appears that you and I disagree on many issues, it is no surprise to me that you would make the above comment.

That's part of what makes the world go round, eh?

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not surprising that you would pick a cliche' that refers to "spinning" [img]/images/graemlins/wink.gif[/img]

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and she says you are embarassing YOURself!

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I'm comfortable letting my posts speak for themselves, as I'm sure you are with yours.

Given that it appears that you and I disagree on many issues, it is no surprise to me that you would make the above comment.

That's part of what makes the world go round, eh?

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not surprising that you would pick a cliche' that refers to "spinning" [img]/images/graemlins/wink.gif[/img]

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I bow in obeisance to your awesome wit.

You da man! [img]/images/graemlins/wink.gif[/img]

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and she says you are embarassing YOURself!

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I'm comfortable letting my posts speak for themselves, as I'm sure you are with yours.

Given that it appears that you and I disagree on many issues, it is no surprise to me that you would make the above comment.

That's part of what makes the world go round, eh?

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not surprising that you would pick a cliche' that refers to "spinning" [img]/images/graemlins/wink.gif[/img]

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I bow in obeisance to your awesome wit.

You da man! [img]/images/graemlins/wink.gif[/img]

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And I before your awesome vocabulary. I am quite sure you wouldnt have trouble with "is" under oath.

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and she says you are embarassing YOURself!

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I'm comfortable letting my posts speak for themselves, as I'm sure you are with yours.

Given that it appears that you and I disagree on many issues, it is no surprise to me that you would make the above comment.

That's part of what makes the world go round, eh?

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not surprising that you would pick a cliche' that refers to "spinning" [img]/images/graemlins/wink.gif[/img]

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I bow in obeisance to your awesome wit.

You da man! [img]/images/graemlins/wink.gif[/img]

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And I before your awesome vocabulary. I am quite sure you wouldnt have trouble with "is" under oath.

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....You would be correct: I would not have trouble at all with "is", under or over oath.

Do you have any trouble with "Mission Accomplished"?