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($22 Stars) 2 hands; Are these pushes?
Without a read, would you push in these spots? Please explain why or why not.
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Re: ($22 Stars) 2 hands; Are these pushes?
No.
Yes. |
Re: ($22 Stars) 2 hands; Are these pushes?
The first I would fold. Many will assume a steal here (which it is), and could easily call with most Aces, good Kings, and most PP. You don't have enough chips to put a real scare into them, so they probably won't second guess their reads. You're not quite desperate yet, and you can see a few more hands. I would wait.
As for the second, I would go ahead and push here. The blinds are higher, and coming around more often, with you dropping 150 on the BB next hand. You're the shortie, so if you don't move, they're going to let you blind out. I'm not particularly looking to get called obviously, but not overly afraid of one, either. |
Re: ($22 Stars) 2 hands; Are these pushes?
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No. Yes. [/ QUOTE ] Why? |
Re: ($22 Stars) 2 hands; Are these pushes?
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The first I would fold. Many will assume a steal here (which it is), and could easily call with most Aces, good Kings, and most PP. You don't have enough chips to put a real scare into them, so they probably won't second guess their reads. You're not quite desperate yet, and you can see a few more hands. I would wait. As for the second, I would go ahead and push here. The blinds are higher, and coming around more often, with you dropping 150 on the BB next hand. You're the shortie, so if you don't move, they're going to let you blind out. I'm not particularly looking to get called obviously, but not overly afraid of one, either. [/ QUOTE ] This is exactly how I felt about these two hands. |
Re: ($22 Stars) 2 hands; Are these pushes?
1st one is terrible.
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Re: ($22 Stars) 2 hands; Are these pushes?
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1st one is terrible. [/ QUOTE ] Can you explain why you think this? |
Re: ($22 Stars) 2 hands; Are these pushes?
1st one is read dependent. if theyre calling too lose you have to fold, youre still in good shape...if theyre tight id shove K high here
hand 2 is meh but id probably shove in game out of desperation |
Re: ($22 Stars) 2 hands; Are these pushes?
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[ QUOTE ] No. Yes. [/ QUOTE ] Why? [/ QUOTE ] K7o - it is a crap hand, you also have some time. Not only that, it would look like a steal. You don't want a call here, might as well fold. Look for a better spot. KJo - As said, you are going to be blinded out. That said, this hand is worthy of a push in these circumstances. You don't want a call but in most circumstances if you get called, you won't be in bad shape. |
Re: ($22 Stars) 2 hands; Are these pushes?
First one you're pushing into two big stacks who can afford to call pretty loose and will put you on a fairly wide range. You still have 10BB (or very nearly) and can afford to wait for a better spot.
Second one, you have a much better hand and the blinds are about to take a quarter of your stack. Neither of the other two short stacks are likely to call without a premium hand. You will almost certainly get called by the big stack, but your hand does reasonably well against a random hand. If you fold and don't find a hand in the blinds you won't have any FE against anyone. Push. |
Re: ($22 Stars) 2 hands; Are these pushes?
i dont think a lot of the 2p2ers use sngpt/icm appropriately, fwiw.
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Re: ($22 Stars) 2 hands; Are these pushes?
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i dont think a lot of the 2p2ers use sngpt/icm appropriately, fwiw. [/ QUOTE ] I dont have SNGPT, so I have to rely on my own instincts. |
Re: ($22 Stars) 2 hands; Are these pushes?
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[ QUOTE ] i dont think a lot of the 2p2ers use sngpt/icm appropriately, fwiw. [/ QUOTE ] I dont have SNGPT, so I have to rely on my own instincts. [/ QUOTE ] i would recommend getting it and learning how to use it [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img] |
Re: ($22 Stars) 2 hands; Are these pushes?
#2 is a push. You need to get some chips being the shortstack with 6.5bb and KJ is good enough.
#1 is really read dependent. Iīd fold in case I donīt think SB/BB are tight. |
3 more hands...
Would you push? Please explain why.
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Re: 3 more hands...
Hand 1: I'd fold unless I had a strong read that Villain was very tight. If you purchase and play with this sort of situation in SNGPT, you'll see how it can become -$EV quickly as BB loosens up.
Hand 2: I'd fold. You don't have enough fold equity here and QTs probably won't hold up well against Villain's range when facing a very likely call. Hand 3: Without looking at any numbers, I think pushing might be okay here, assuming Villain is raising with a much larger range with his stack. You're still almost always getting called though. |
Re: 3 more hands...
Hand 1 (9d3c). Probably. If I'd pushed into him a lot recently I'd think about it, but I'm not sure we have a choice. Too low to wait for a better opportunity.
Hand 2 (QhTh). Nasty spot. CO raised through the big stack into two shortstack blinds that are desperate enough to call very loose. I'm not sure we're short enough to push this. If big stack was making it very difficult to find any pushing opportunities, I might take this - but the big stack would have to be raising just about every hand for me to be persuaded that this is a good move. Hand 3. Yes. He's the big stack, he should be doing this with any two. We're almost certainly a slight favourite and getting way too short to get choosy. |
Re: 3 more hands...
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Hand 1 (9d3c). Probably. If I'd pushed into him a lot recently I'd think about it, but I'm not sure we have a choice. Too low to wait for a better opportunity. [/ QUOTE ] Villan has been playing reasonably tight. I would give him a calling range of: 22+, A9s, ATo, KQ. I think I found one of the rare hands that I am not pushing here. |
Re: 3 more hands...
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[ QUOTE ] Hand 1 (9d3c). Probably. If I'd pushed into him a lot recently I'd think about it, but I'm not sure we have a choice. Too low to wait for a better opportunity. [/ QUOTE ] Villan has been playing reasonably tight. I would give him a calling range of: 22+, A9s, ATo, KQ. I think I found one of the rare hands that I am not pushing here. [/ QUOTE ] It is a definite push with that range. It becomes a fold when he calls with around 30%. |
Re: ($22 Stars) 2 hands; Are these pushes?
only way im pushing hand 1 is if hero and sb switch positions. if im gonna steal with a small stack and a weakish hand id rather do it from sb.
hand 2 you cant gamble that your gonna get a better hand in the blinds, and bigstack is calling any 2. I like KJ vs random hand. |
Re: 3 more hands...
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[ QUOTE ] Hand 1 (9d3c). Probably. If I'd pushed into him a lot recently I'd think about it, but I'm not sure we have a choice. Too low to wait for a better opportunity. [/ QUOTE ] Villan has been playing reasonably tight. I would give him a calling range of: 22+, A9s, ATo, KQ. I think I found one of the rare hands that I am not pushing here. [/ QUOTE ] This means he's calling a bit less than 10% of the time, and you'll win about 30% of the time when he does call - making it a push. |
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