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Wolfram 09-23-2006 05:08 PM

(NL25) - Suited conn hits flop but meets resistance
 
Early in the session so I have a limited read on opponent. The flop call is probably bad cause I'm oop, but I wanted to see if he was just full of it. Then I pick up a draw.

Comments on all streets please.


PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $0.25 BB (9 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: 2+2 Forums)

UTG ($25)
UTG+1 ($27.45)
MP1 ($10.35)
MP2 ($24.15)
MP3 ($25)
Hero ($24.65)
Button ($30.10)
SB ($6.40)
BB ($20.30)

Preflop: Hero is CO with 9[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], T[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img].
<font color="#666666">5 folds</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises to $1</font>, Button calls $1, <font color="#666666">2 folds</font>.

Flop: ($2.35) 3[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 4[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 9[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">Hero bets $2</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Button raises to $5</font>, Hero calls $3.

Turn: ($12.35) Q[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
Hero checks, <font color="#CC3333">Button bets $5.5</font>, Hero calls $5.50.

River: ($23.35) A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">Hero bets $10</font>

EMc 09-23-2006 05:10 PM

Re: (NL25) - Suited conn hits flop but meets resistance
 
I really think a c/r AI on the river is much better. HE will be priced in to call, and you will get more value.

In genereal this hand was played fine, but a river c/r is superior.

Wolfram 09-23-2006 05:17 PM

Re: (NL25) - Suited conn hits flop but meets resistance
 
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In genereal this hand was played fine, but a river c/r is superior.

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Really? I've often had opponents shut down on me when such a big scarecard shows up.

You like the flop call? I kinda thought that was the bad part.

EMc 09-23-2006 05:22 PM

Re: (NL25) - Suited conn hits flop but meets resistance
 
I think that you can call here and see a turn. Dont get too commited to the hand and if you dont improve on the turn, let it go.

As for the river, I think the value you gain in a c/r is more than the value you will lose when he checks behind.

Raj 09-23-2006 07:14 PM

Re: (NL25) - Suited conn hits flop but meets resistance
 
You've put 11 in on this hand. I would push the river, which is what you almost did. I think a c/r here is the same as a push, so you might as well push.

Wolfram 09-23-2006 08:27 PM

Re: (NL25) - Suited conn hits flop but meets resistance
 
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As for the river, I think the value you gain in a c/r is more than the value you will lose when he checks behind.

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I think you underestimate how weak/tight the average NL25 FR player is post flop. In my experience, they have a great reluctance to betting for full value if a big scarecard hits.

Waingro 09-23-2006 08:34 PM

Re: (NL25) - Suited conn hits flop but meets resistance
 
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As for the river, I think the value you gain in a c/r is more than the value you will lose when he checks behind.

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Hero has 13$ behind and the pot is 23$, I think the value in a river cr is miniscule. Just push.

ChipStorm 09-23-2006 08:41 PM

Re: (NL25) - Suited conn hits flop but meets resistance
 
Wolfram, I agree with you, I think your call of his flop raise is the fishy part. You're drawing thin; but then again his raise is weak sauce, so whatever.

At the river you have only $16 behind. Villain has either (1) a busted draw, in which case a c/r makes you more, (2) a mediocre made hand, in which case the c/r misses when he checks through, or (3) a set, in which case it's all going in anyway. I'm much more inclined to bet for value, and with just 2/3 pot left, it's an easy push.

ColdSteel 09-23-2006 08:44 PM

Re: (NL25) - Suited conn hits flop but meets resistance
 
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I really think a c/r AI on the river is much better. HE will be priced in to call, and you will get more value.

In genereal this hand was played fine, but a river c/r is superior.

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I actually like a fold on the flop. Its pretty close however.

Shaddux 09-23-2006 09:24 PM

Re: (NL25) - Suited conn hits flop but meets resistance
 
Fold flop.

EMc 09-23-2006 09:29 PM

Re: (NL25) - Suited conn hits flop but meets resistance
 
I really dont think we should dump it on the flop just yet. Without a ten or a diamond on the turn, then ill probably let it go, but BB is giving us good implied odds here.

ColdSteel 09-23-2006 09:32 PM

Re: (NL25) - Suited conn hits flop but meets resistance
 
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I really dont think we should dump it on the flop just yet. Without a ten or a diamond on the turn, then ill probably let it go, but BB is giving us good implied odds here.

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If youre calling the flop with the plan to fold the turn, then you are calling because you are drawing? To what? Some of your outs may improve our villan.

Sir Winalot 09-24-2006 02:47 AM

Re: (NL25) - Suited conn hits flop but meets resistance
 
Looks fine to me. IMO villains turn bet looks pretty weak so leading the river is better here.


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