Does he really have a King? (aka...God hates Aces)
 

Normally, against most players I think this is a pretty easy fold. But against THIS particular villain, I'm not so sure.

Villain is TAG, and a pretty good one too. He may be a 2+2er. I'm starting to think he takes personal delight in giving me a case of heartburn. I know he's been taking the occassional shot at me, since I've caught him in the act a couple of times.

Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em, $ BB (6 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: 2+2 Forums)

Button ($10.38)
SB ($191.89)
BB ($106.50)
UTG ($100)
Hero ($149.81)
CO ($168.79)

Preflop: Hero is MP with A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]. SB posts a blind of $0.50.
<font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises to $6</font>, CO calls $6, <font color="#666666">3 folds</font>.

Flop: ($13.50) K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 7[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">Hero bets $8</font>, CO calls $8.

Turn: ($29.50) 6[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
Hero.....?

Lead? Check/call? Check/fold? Does villain's flop call usually indicate a K? Ugh!! I'm so confused!

What's my line?

Re: Does he really have a King? (aka...God hates Aces)
 

Do you usually raise 6*BB preflop?
I think i will check this flop alot and go from there.

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Hmm. If he could be floating your best line is definitely check-call. Get him to value bet his TT.

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You can either lead again or c/c and lead the river.

c/f is bad.

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check/call turn.

check/fold river.

usually wont bet river without a K.

so i doubt he double-barrels the turn and river without a K.

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Normally, against most players I think this is a pretty easy fold.

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What? All he did is call a paired flop, probably with any pocket pair. Sometimes bet half pot or so, fold to a raise, sometimes check call. Probably don't put any more money in on the river. NOt a big fan of the 6x open.

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i think a lead and a check call is both fine, if you lead, i'd leas no more thatn 2/3 of the pot, but i think it more +EV for the check/call because you win money from the times he is behind and is bluffing, but it is a weak way to play the hand, i would be torn 55/45 between the 2, but i think if you don't think he'll bluff raise you, then i'd bet out, but if he is tricky, i'd check/call

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yeah, wtf is up with the 6x BB raise?

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yeah, wtf is up with the 6x BB raise?

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if you want to give your hand away you're on your own here

Re: Does he really have a King? (aka...God hates Aces)
 

Easy check call, maybe call on river if he bets again.

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What's everyone's problem with his 6xbb raise. If he always opens for that amount it doesn't give away any information.

Re the hand- I had pretty the same hand the other night. Many will often call down all the way to the river with another pocket pair.

I'm likely to flip a coin on the turn. Either check call or bet again. A lot of players don't believe you on the flop but might on the turn.

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Why is the PF raise so big? I think the flop bet should be atleast 10, but that's not uber important. As played, this is WA/WB, and if your description of villian is correct, I would c/c turn for sure and likely c/c river if the bet is less than 2/3 pot. I do not like a river block against this type of player. Try and get to showdown here.

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I check this flop a lot for pot control OOP, its WA/WB stuff.

So it is a check call for me on the flop.

Assuming it goes check/check, then its $10 on the turn to see what happens.

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I check this flop a lot for pot control OOP, its WA/WB stuff.

So it is a check call for me on the flop.

Assuming it goes check/check, then its $10 on the turn to see what happens.

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I think a flop check here is bad. Especially vs a villain willing to take a shot at you, your basically telling him you didn't like the flop. I Bet a bit more on flop, check/call turn, 2/3rd PSB on river is my standard line here. Villains almost never fold QQ-88 here.

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So do most people like c/c turn b/f river with river bet about 1/2 pot?

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I personally would check the turn and if he bets, call. and if he doesn't bet i would lead out the river with about 2/3 the pot because at this point i'm sure i have the best of it.

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Sure but he's prolly not calling this flop to check behind on the turn.

Hence if turn goes c/c what is best river action? b/f? c/c?

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I check this flop a lot for pot control OOP, its WA/WB stuff.

So it is a check call for me on the flop.

Assuming it goes check/check, then its $10 on the turn to see what happens.

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I think a flop check here is bad. Especially vs a villain willing to take a shot at you, your basically telling him you didn't like the flop. I Bet a bit more on flop, check/call turn, 2/3rd PSB on river is my standard line here. Villains almost never fold QQ-88 here.

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Explain how it is bad for my villain to think that I don't like the flop, and to take shots at me without a K.

Re: Does he really have a King? (aka...God hates Aces)
 

if ur ready to fold ur AA to aggression

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I just don't see what checking the flop accomplishes here. We likely have the best hand, were betting here for value. Plenty of worse hands will call. This isn't a WA/WB situation.

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yeah, wtf is up with the 6x BB raise?

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if you want to give your hand away you're on your own here

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6x BB preflop raise is standard for me with any PP and any mid SC's. In no way does it give my hand away.

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I just don't see what checking the flop accomplishes here. We likely have the best hand, were betting here for value. Plenty of worse hands will call. This isn't a WA/WB situation.

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Lol how can any hand be slightly ahead here or slightly behind. Either we are drawing to 2 outs or they are drawing to two outs/runner runner.

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I just don't see what checking the flop accomplishes here. We likely have the best hand, were betting here for value. Plenty of worse hands will call. This isn't a WA/WB situation.

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Lol how can any hand be slightly ahead here or slightly behind. Either we are drawing to 2 outs or they are drawing to two outs/runner runner.

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Ummm, where did I say this was a slightly ahead or slightly behind hand?! I merely said it isn't a WA/WB situation because IMO it isn't. My understanding is that term is usually used to describe hands like AK on an AJ7r board. Where you want to control the size of the pot because you have a marginal made hand (one pair). But I suppose Technically you could put 80% of the hands you play in the WA/WB category. If you just want to nut peddle.

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I think it's hard to get worse hands to call if we fire another barrel. I usually c/c this. Usually c/f river, but if Villian frequently bets the river when checked to, you have to sometimes call.