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I don't play the $530s, but I wouldn't raise this after a limper. I'd tend to limp along.

As played, flop is read dependent, but the turn I'm folding. Odds are I'm folding the flop. You're probably a slight favorite at best against some big cards.

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Re: 530 Floating a Mid Pair
 

At 33 big blinds (I guess) this hand looks like spew. BB didn't flat call you preflop light and if your stats reflect this kind of play there's no way he's just putting you on just a set.

What do you think you are pushing him off? QQ? 99?

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after playing some 530s recently with you I think you def play well early and it will be reflected well in your roi. This specific hand doesn't look too good though.

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Not sure what you are looking for. Most of us don't play the 530s and those of us that win at the lower levels would never make this play.

Against a solid regular this looks bad. He's not calling thin pf considering his position and his flop lead is pretty scary.

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http://www.myrealtypage.com/images/alan/gauchofish.jpg

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What do you think you are pushing him off? QQ? 99?

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Not sure. I think his range is wide but his range for calling this push is pretty thin.

Doesn't this look like a strong line?

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a think there are better turns than a measly 3 to make it look like a stronger line

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Not sure. I think his range is wide but his range for calling this push is pretty thin.

Doesn't this look like a strong line?

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If villian only knows you as TAG, then it looks like you have JJJ or TTT.

I don't expect his range to be that wide, but maybe 'solid regular' doesn't mean one particular thing. Do you have his stats?

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Your play is so unusual that I just write down what I thought in the first moment reading your post:

How is your image? Am I right that you image is LAG?

Does he call with AJ or even AT here because of your image? Will he fold getting almost 3:1?

The flopbet is weak and the turnbet even weaker so may be villian has AK or QKs.

Why not limp preflop? The preflopraise is -EV.

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LOL SPEWAMENT!!

Yugoslav

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What do you think you are pushing him off? QQ? 99?

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Not sure. I think his range is wide but his range for calling this push is pretty thin.

Doesn't this look like a strong line?

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What does he laydown that he plays like this?

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Why not limp preflop? The preflopraise is -EV.

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Disagree.

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Why post this hand if you're going to disagree with everything people post?

<sarcasm> Oh, Degen, this is the best hand I've ever seen </sarcasm>

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Why not limp preflop? The preflopraise is -EV.

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Disagree.

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Why post this hand if you're going to disagree with everything people post?

<sarcasm> Oh, Degen, this is the best hand I've ever seen </sarcasm>

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Same reason Raptor does. The discussion is helpful even though they are HUGE GENIUSES WITH LITTLE EGOS!!11!

Yugoslav

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All I know is that if I bet into you on the turn here you're drawing dead.

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i think if you're going after this pot you need to raise flop

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All I know is that if I bet into you on the turn here you're drawing dead.

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Good thing you weren't the villian [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]

Played with you a bunch tonite, you know my SN right?

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Alright, I'm now convinced this post is for meta game purposes at the 530s.

Re: 530 Floating a Mid Pair
 

This isn't a raise I make at the level I play but here I see nothing wrong with it since we are on the button and up against only 1 limper which we know is solid. Is 270 your standard raise after 1 limper at 30/60? Seems a little on the high side, maybe he's putting you on AK or AQ and makes a feeler bet on the flop to see how you react. I think I like a flop raise more then the line you took and just dump it if you get called.


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I guees you can just forget what I just said. Misread the hand and thought the limper was the one who called you. sry.

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Yeah exactly and if you have to make this play don't do it with 66. If you do it with KQ that is one thing but you might as well have 72o in this situation.

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Re: 530 Floating a Mid Pair
 

Villian cant fold toppair or better here. The pot is too big. But: Flop and turnbet look so weak that I think your push is ok.

We should make a poll about the raise with 66 and I am happy to vote with my 2 fake accounts for raise so you get again 3 votes for raise.... (big big grin...)

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Re: 530 Floating a Mid Pair
 

I think the main question of this hand is can villain fold AJ here? Because your FE of a TP type hand is where your equity is going to come from on this hand.

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J, KJ, maybe QJ, AT, possibly QQ or even KK/AA

I put all that in his range with KK/AA being pretty unlikely but in there. I'd also add JTs and set's here...I think he only calls with the sets 100%, JTs 80% and QQ-AA he'd call probably 50-75% of the time.

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Degen he cant fold TPTK or better because of the potsize. And nobody ever fold here JT! This is impossible. Do you really think somebody could fold top 2 pair or overpair here?

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J, KJ, maybe QJ, AT, possibly QQ or even KK/AA

I put all that in his range with KK/AA being pretty unlikely but in there. I'd also add JTs and set's here...I think he only calls with the sets 100%, JTs 80% and QQ-AA he'd call probably 50-75% of the time.

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Degen he cant fold TPTK or better because of the potsize. And nobody ever fold here JT! This is impossible. Do you really think somebody could fold top 2 pair or overpair here?

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No way he is folding top 2 but QQ and KK is a hard call. He probably doesn't fold AA.

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J, KJ, maybe QJ, AT, possibly QQ or even KK/AA

I put all that in his range with KK/AA being pretty unlikely but in there. I'd also add JTs and set's here...I think he only calls with the sets 100%, JTs 80% and QQ-AA he'd call probably 50-75% of the time.

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Degen he cant fold TPTK or better because of the potsize. And nobody ever fold here JT! This is impossible. Do you really think somebody could fold top 2 pair or overpair here?

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No way he is folding top 2 but QQ and KK is a hard call. He probably doesn't fold AA.

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How are AJ, QQ, KK and AA any different here?

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if he flatcalled QQ it matters.

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J, KJ, maybe QJ, AT, possibly QQ or even KK/AA

I put all that in his range with KK/AA being pretty unlikely but in there. I'd also add JTs and set's here...I think he only calls with the sets 100%, JTs 80% and QQ-AA he'd call probably 50-75% of the time.

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Degen he cant fold TPTK or better because of the potsize. And nobody ever fold here JT! This is impossible. Do you really think somebody could fold top 2 pair or overpair here?

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No way he is folding top 2 but QQ and KK is a hard call. He probably doesn't fold AA.

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How are AJ, QQ, KK and AA any different here?

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Well if he got AA he's ahead of QQ & KK which I guess he could put you on.

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J, KJ, maybe QJ, AT, possibly QQ or even KK/AA

I put all that in his range with KK/AA being pretty unlikely but in there. I'd also add JTs and set's here...I think he only calls with the sets 100%, JTs 80% and QQ-AA he'd call probably 50-75% of the time.

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Degen he cant fold TPTK or better because of the potsize. And nobody ever fold here JT! This is impossible. Do you really think somebody could fold top 2 pair or overpair here?

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No way he is folding top 2 but QQ and KK is a hard call. He probably doesn't fold AA.

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How are AJ, QQ, KK and AA any different here?

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Well if he got AA he's ahead of QQ & KK which I guess he could put you on.

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Pretty odd line for QQ and KK dontcha think? Most players (me included) would likely raise that flop w/ such holdings.

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Most players would raise a set also...

Re: 530 Floating a Mid Pair
 

Well Degen, I don't know what I can add, other than a little commentary.

Obviously this all depends on reads. At the levels, most of us play, this would be sucide against a solid regular. I could be pretty sure solid regular is only calling with TT+, AK here or some range very close to that. However, he is probably reraising QQ+, so it more like TT,JJ, AK. So, betting wouldn't accomplish anything other than getting AK to fold. There could be an argument for calling down here with 66.

That being said. How much does it differ at a $530? Is a solid regular much different? Ie, do they know you are capable of moves and be calling with a much larger range here? I still can beleive he's calling real wide, cause he's OOP which obviously means a lot when you are calling thin against an opponent who can be raising thin.

So, if you could clarify what a solid regular at the $530s is, and how that differs to say a $55/109 regular, that would be very helpful to me for various reasons.

I do agree that you have played this hand with a very strong line. You are telling your opponent that you have top pair beat here. This could be QQ+ or a set, so you are getting a lot of lay downs from a strong opponent here (if they were calling thin).

But my question still remains, how much different is he from a mid level regular?

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Do you really think somebody can fold JT because he puts you on the only 2 remaining jacks or tens? Or that you raised with 33 or 55 and hit your set?

I just have to pay 1100 more into a monsterpot with top 2 pair but he hit his set so I have to fold...

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J, KJ, maybe QJ, AT, possibly QQ or even KK/AA

I put all that in his range with KK/AA being pretty unlikely but in there. I'd also add JTs and set's here...I think he only calls with the sets 100%, JTs 80% and QQ-AA he'd call probably 50-75% of the time.

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Degen he cant fold TPTK or better because of the potsize. And nobody ever fold here JT! This is impossible. Do you really think somebody could fold top 2 pair or overpair here?

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No way he is folding top 2 but QQ and KK is a hard call. He probably doesn't fold AA.

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How are AJ, QQ, KK and AA any different here?

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Well if he got AA he's ahead of QQ & KK which I guess he could put you on.

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Pretty odd line for QQ and KK dontcha think? Most players (me included) would likely raise that flop w/ such holdings.

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Yeah sure but most players also fold their 66 after this flop action. While it's unusual it's far from impossible and I think he definately got these hands in your range. He might fold QQ pretty fast but AA isn't as easy.

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