Bet/fold river correct?
 

I've only been at the table a couple orbits, but villain has played pretty tight so far.

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Preflop: Hero is UTG with Q[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img].
<font color="#CC3333">Hero raises</font>, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, <font color="#CC3333">UTG+2 3-bets</font>, <font color="#666666">7 folds</font>, Hero calls.

Flop: (7.33 SB) T[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 5[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 8[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
Hero checks, <font color="#CC3333">UTG+2 bets</font>, Hero calls.

Turn: (4.66 BB) 4[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
Hero checks, <font color="#CC3333">UTG+2 bets</font>, Hero calls.

River: (6.66 BB) K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">Hero bets</font>, <font color="#CC3333">UTG+2 raises</font>, Hero folds.

Final Pot: 9.66 BB

Re: Bet/fold river correct?
 

You are getting 9 to 1 for your river call. CALL!. In small stakes, folding the winning hand is a much larger mistake than losing one bet on the flop.. For all you know he could have JJ, QQ, A10. I think up until the river you played the hand fine though.

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Personally, I'm going to checkraise this flop pretty much all the time. I want to take control if I can and see if I can fold out AK, AQ, or even AJs if he has it here. Or even 99 or 77 if he 3-bets those.

His response to that checkraise would make a river decision easier. For example, if he 3 bets the flop, I'd feel much more comfortable when I bet/fold the river.

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lead flop you have a flushdraw and two Overcards. You raised preflop you should make him fold right on the flop.
Playing a strong draw with c/c is a huge mistake.
call river you have toppair with a good kicker

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Intentionally putting in chips on this flop doesn't make a lot of sense to me; unless he has AK/AQ he's never folding anything and you just cut your implied odds for when you actually hit something.

I'm tempted to just c/c the river.

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river bad rest of hand good

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I would of liked to see a raise on the flop for a possible free card and to get more information on the villian's hand.

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I would of liked to see a raise on the flop for a possible free card

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Out of position?

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and to get more information on the villian's hand.

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What information are you trying to get? I'm pretty sure he has KQ high beat.

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I would of liked to see a raise on the flop for a possible free card and to get more information on the villian's hand.

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read the OP again, we are out of position. Also, c/ring this flop is baaaaddddd.

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I re-read the history. The hero is out of position. My mistake.

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I'm tempted to just c/c the river.

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This was my first thought as well. Sure it sucks when he checks through with JJ or QQ, but I think he bets these a fair amount of time anyway. Anyway c/c and b/c are probably close. I wouldn't b/f without a more concrete read.

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Actually, I like a bet/call line on the flop. Why? Because I think that disguises Hero's flush draw very well and gives him a turn free card fairly often when the villain does have AK/AQs &amp; checks behind against our "obvious" pair. It also sets us up for a river steal attempt when villain does check through and the board bricks out.

As far as the river goes, I really don't like any river line that features us putting in 1 bet and then folding against an unknown. Check/call.

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check/call all the way through.

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Here are some reasons I thought bet/folding was a good play:

1. What's he raising the river with that I ever beat? My only real read is that he isn't a maniac, so I felt like if I got raised on the river it was an easy fold.

2. I felt like he would call with more hands than he would bet, hands like JJ, QQ, AQ, AT.

With those two points, I felt like bet/folding was the way to go. Where is my logic wrong?

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I think very few players ever raise JJ, QQ, or AT on this river.

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Here are some reasons I thought bet/folding was a good play:

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No, you're absolutely correct that it's the right play...vs. a known opponent. My point is that when you don't really have a read on the other guy, if you're going to put in a BB on the river you might as well be assured of seeing his hole cards.

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Here are some reasons I thought bet/folding was a good play:

1. What's he raising the river with that I ever beat? My only real read is that he isn't a maniac, so I felt like if I got raised on the river it was an easy fold.

2. I felt like he would call with more hands than he would bet, hands like JJ, QQ, AQ, AT.

With those two points, I felt like bet/folding was the way to go. Where is my logic wrong?

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Logically, I agree with your aruments...but without knowing the player, playing SSHE, and the line you took; folding can basically not be right here.

I used to make similar plays, but after reading on this board I made a concerted effort to call down more on the river and have found that, in general, players in SSHE make some amazingly aggro plays if they were the pre-flop aggressor (particularly 6 max). Plus you're getting 9:1, so you only need the best hand better than 10% of the time to make a call the correct play...and I would say that you're better here more than 10% of the time given the circumstances of the hand.

BTW, I don't like a CR here heads up, OOP. Your fold equity is virtually nil and you're open to a three bet. If a diamond comes on the turn and you lead again or CR the PF aggressor will usually slow to a call down at best or more likely fold. If anything the CR defines our hand more, especially when we continue aggression on a diamond turn.

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Here are some reasons I thought bet/folding was a good play:

1. What's he raising the river with that I ever beat? My only real read is that he isn't a maniac, so I felt like if I got raised on the river it was an easy fold.

2. I felt like he would call with more hands than he would bet, hands like JJ, QQ, AQ, AT.

With those two points, I felt like bet/folding was the way to go. Where is my logic wrong?

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If he's the type of player that overvalues non-AK Kx hands he might mistakenly value raise the river. He might have AQ and decide to pull a desperation bluff. He might have QQ and just be an idiot. Some people play really bad when they're the preflop aggressor.

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Intentionally putting in chips on this flop doesn't make a lot of sense to me; unless he has AK/AQ he's never folding anything and you just cut your implied odds for when you actually hit something.

I'm tempted to just c/c the river.

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It's right I simply overloked the 3-bet preflop from UTG+2.
But with that I play c/c River.

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Where is my logic wrong?

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This may be overstating things but I think this is just too much logic for Party 3/6.

After the flop you should see a turn and river, and after the river you have to see a showdown. Period.