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I am sorry, but from what i have seen of the WSOP TV coverage Gold seems pretty personable and likeable. Yeah he is chatty, but generally not rude or in anyones face. Perhaps ESPN is doing a good job of editing but the other players at the table don't seem to have a problem with him.

I think alot of the hate comes from people's jealousy.

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he rubs me the wrong way.

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that stuff with Rizen was just weird.

He does not seem like he means bad.

But i just dont understand the weird table talk stuff. I dont think its collusion but its just weird when he seems outraged that someone would call when he tells them not to.

Possibly he was just trying a litle too hard to avoid a coinflip in the hand with Rizen?

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I remember someone saying that Gold had been raising almost every hand, so Rizen decided to take a stand with the Ace. His table talk did seem really strange though. I'm kind of surprised no one at the table (mostly Mahatma) said anything about the talk while there were still people left to act.

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getting really blazed and watching jamie gold's weird behavior is fun.

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We don't know what kind of guy Gold is. What we do know is the major angle on the lawsuit is now centered upon whether there was REALLY a "deal". So Gold has obviously broken some kind of "deal".

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I watched the segment last night and the commentators were wondering if what gold was doing at the table was against the rules. How does anybody not see this. A player raises and he says if you go all in i will call/with players behind him. This should be looked at and his title maybe yanked. As for the lawsuit/i believe crispen has loudmouth/arragant gold on tape saying he will give him half his winnings. Answering machine i believe.

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I think (hope) I can do a pretty solid job of defining him.

Jamie Gold is that douchebag that hangs out in everyone's circle of friends. He isn't anyone's best friend or even a really close friend. He's the guy that just tries too hard to be liked and in return, ends up being the bitch of the group. He's the butt of thier jokes when he's not around and even from time-to-time, people talk down to him when they feel the need to belittle someone in the room.

This person isn't a bad guy by any means. He does no real harm to anyone. He just bugs you to your wits end (95% of the time, unintentionally). This person tends to be either somewhat clueless, or gives the appearance to be clueless, as a defense mechanism. Jamie Gold is the "tool", plain and simple. The hugging people when he knocks them out (in 23rd place), like they're close friends. The heartfelt speech, asking so and so why they'd call him there. The "I've got top, top" when he made the AJ call. Please, save the speech. You're not mucking that. It's a toolbox's slowroll is what it is.

I think I just analraptized our WSOP Champion.

Over/under on how many swirlies Jamie recieved as a kid: 3

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If you don't hate him yet, perhaps this will help:

August 13th interview on Rounders podcast

Here's what Paul Philips had to say:

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I'm a little late with this, but you have to listen to this guy... skip forward a bit to when jamie shows up.

For the first few minutes I thought maybe he's just riding a little high after winning twelve million. But then it goes on, and on, and on, and somehow he keeps amping up his awesomeness even when it would seem there's nowhere left to climb. It was like watching a movie with five climaxes. Hmmm, that might be overapt given how much [censored] was coming out of him.

I love it how every time someone wins a big tournament he thinks he's invented a dozen new poker tricks. Limping with a big hand on the button? It's unheard of! Playing more than 5% of your hands? Groundbreaking! Telling the truth about your hand while it's in progress? Nobody ever does that! I do like that he thinks you're only "supposed" to play 5% of your hands. If I can just line up seven more guys like that I'll win 60% of the pots uncontested. Man, this game is easy.

Just by way of sample, he quotes norman chad as saying "it was by far the greatest display of poker talent in the history of poker." Hey, that's good enough for me.

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If you don't hate him yet, perhaps this will help:

August 13th interview on Rounders podcast

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I'm a little late with this, but you have to listen to this guy... skip forward a bit to when jamie shows up.

For the first few minutes I thought maybe he's just riding a little high after winning twelve million. But then it goes on, and on, and on, and somehow he keeps amping up his awesomeness even when it would seem there's nowhere left to climb. It was like watching a movie with five climaxes. Hmmm, that might be overapt given how much [censored] was coming out of him.

I love it how every time someone wins a big tournament he thinks he's invented a dozen new poker tricks. Limping with a big hand on the button? It's unheard of! Playing more than 5% of your hands? Groundbreaking! Telling the truth about your hand while it's in progress? Nobody ever does that! I do like that he thinks you're only "supposed" to play 5% of your hands. If I can just line up seven more guys like that I'll win 60% of the pots uncontested. Man, this game is easy.

Just by way of sample, he quotes norman chad as saying "it was by far the greatest display of poker talent in the history of poker." Hey, that's good enough for me.

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yeah, he would be the only person to act cocky after winning 12 million dollars and outlasting a field of over 5,000 of the best poker players in the world.

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He has this weird passive-aggressive thing going where he is trying to play the part of an honest, nice guy but he ends up sounding like a huge condescending d-bag most of the time.

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We don't know what kind of guy Gold is. What we do know is the major angle on the lawsuit is now centered upon whether there was REALLY a "deal". So Gold has obviously broken some kind of "deal".

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Do we have to go over this every single week? It's on audio-tape, it's been played publicly, there was a deal and Jamie's lawyer is trying to find a legal loophole so Jamie can dodge paying his partner. I.e. Jamie is an angle shooting douche with no moral or ethical backbone.

Yes, angle shooting douches can appear to be nice guys when you see them portrayed in attractive light by ESPN, or even when you meet them in a bar. But what makes them angle douches is when they have a chance to screw you, they do. Probably still with that stupid smile on their face, trying too hard to be your buddy even as they stiff you on your half of the chop.

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outlasting a field of over 5,000 of the best poker players in the world.

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I'm not sure what part of this statement unsettles me, it just does.

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Yes, angle shooting douches can appear to be nice guys when you see them portrayed in attractive light by ESPN

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Exactly. This is the same network, after all, who portrayed Dutch Boyd as a happy-go-lucky amateur player.

To quote some of my IWC buddies: If it's on TV, it's a work.

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I watched the two hours last night of 27 > 9 and it seemed like Gold came off as a gigantic slimy douche and ESPN was doing their best to make that quite apparent. They clearly don't think they can play him as an everyman winner like some of the other guys so they're going to make him the villain.

I thought him lecturing tech on how happy he should be that he (Gold) kept knocking people out was super obnoxious. The AJ hand vs another Commerce regular looks like blatant collusion. Everything about the guy bothers me, including his [censored] Mom.

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I remember someone saying that Gold had been raising almost every hand, so Rizen decided to take a stand with the Ace. His table talk did seem really strange though. I'm kind of surprised no one at the table (mostly Mahatma) said anything about the talk while there were still people left to act.

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i thought the same thing. i really didn't like what i was seeing or hearing at all, and for Prahlad, the most notorious rules & etiquette stickler in the world, to ignore it is pretty weird.

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I think alot of the hate comes from people's jealousy.

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I'll admit I'm jealous of him. I think most nonwsop main event winners or people who haven't made $12,000,000 in their lifetime are jealous of him. He is also a [censored] prick though. I can't say the same for the last several WSOP champions.

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I can honestly say that I'm not jealous of him at all. I just don't think he has a likeable personality. It's really hard to believe that he is sincere at the table based on some of the comments he made....I mean, the guy was acting like it's not his goal to knock people out of the tournament?? That just seems strange.

Plus he was just begging for approval. Like the part where he was saying "yea, I've been lucky, but I'm playing real well too....don't you think".....the guy is just obnoxious. Cunningham would have been a much better champ and poker representative. Gold just seems like a real tool.

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I don't think that he is douche simply because he is chatty at the poker table. I know alot of good people that get chatty while playing poker. Alot of players use that to their advantage and to get under people's skin and to create confusion.

And his chatter did a great job of getting mahatma to lay down those 7's when he knew he was good. It was actually one of the more entertaining scenes i have seen watching televised poker and basically ended mahatama's run. And in all honesty, if mahatma makes that call i think he would have won the whole thing.

My only problem with him would be if he is in fact trying to screw over his "partner." If he is doing that then all bets are off.

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There is no way cunningham winning would be better for poker. Gold, douche or not, is more of your typical joe sixpack. The average guy on the street isn't going to start playing poker because a pro managed to win the whole thing. It is much better when an amatuer (douche or not) wins the main event.

This isn't the noble peace prize, its a poker tournament.

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My only problem with him would be if he is in fact trying to screw over his "partner." If he is doing that then all bets are off.

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from everything Ive read how is he not doing this right now?

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There is no way cunningham winning would be better for poker. Gold, douche or not, is more of your typical joe sixpack. The average guy on the street isn't going to start playing poker because a pro managed to win the whole thing. It is much better when an amatuer (douche or not) wins the main event.

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I think we're past that. It doesn't really matter who wins. Joe Sixpack just sees someone win $12 mil and the top 12 getting paid at least a mil. Thats all that really matters.

By the way, I think Cunningham would've represented poker much better...I've got a feeling poker is going to be facing some image problems over the next several months. I don't think Gold is going to help.

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When Varkonyi won I thought it could never, ever be any worse. Then Jamie Gold came along.

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i got top top, what a [censored], he pretended like he sincerely cared about the person who got knocked out.

Varkonyi is likeable and seems like a nice guy, hes just the dorky type.

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I am sorry, but from what i have seen of the WSOP TV coverage Gold seems pretty personable and likeable. Yeah he is chatty, but generally not rude or in anyones face. Perhaps ESPN is doing a good job of editing but the other players at the table don't seem to have a problem with him.

I think alot of the hate comes from people's jealousy.

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Sorry, That was just the first thing that came to mind. I've seen people berate others much worse than Gold did.

My biggest problem was the way he was cheating. Now I don't think he went in with the mindset that it WAS cheating. He should know the rules. I'm not saying they will or should take it away from him.

He just stays in eternal jerk status for most people. At least thats' the impression I get.

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psss they all do it..

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I don't think that he is douche simply because he is chatty at the poker table. I know alot of good people that get chatty while playing poker. Alot of players use that to their advantage and to get under people's skin and to create confusion.

And his chatter did a great job of getting mahatma to lay down those 7's when he knew he was good. It was actually one of the more entertaining scenes i have seen watching televised poker and basically ended mahatama's run. And in all honesty, if mahatma makes that call i think he would have won the whole thing.

My only problem with him would be if he is in fact trying to screw over his "partner." If he is doing that then all bets are off.

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People don't have a problem with him because of antics like the ones displayed in the hand you're referring to. What I saw last night that really bothered me was Gold telling his Commerce buddy that he would have laid down if he knew he was AHEAD so his friend could get further in the tournament.

C-O-L-L-U-S-I-O-N.

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I don't think that he is douche simply because he is chatty at the poker table. I know alot of good people that get chatty while playing poker. Alot of players use that to their advantage and to get under people's skin and to create confusion.

And his chatter did a great job of getting mahatma to lay down those 7's when he knew he was good. It was actually one of the more entertaining scenes i have seen watching televised poker and basically ended mahatama's run. And in all honesty, if mahatma makes that call i think he would have won the whole thing.

My only problem with him would be if he is in fact trying to screw over his "partner." If he is doing that then all bets are off.

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People don't have a problem with him because of antics like the ones displayed in the hand you're referring to. What I saw last night that really bothered me was Gold telling his Commerce buddy that he would have laid down if he knew he was AHEAD so his friend could get further in the tournament.

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Jesus, he was screwing around and playing mind games. There was no way he would have laid down the best hand and openly admit it. Gold is obviously smarter than people think. If someone colludes to they openly say so with the TV cameras rolling?

And why havent we heard all of these complaints from the other players at the table. Apparently, they "got it" and realized he was just talking smack to get into peoples heads.

Do people remember hearing the night before the final table when gold said he was going to throw the tournament to avoid coming in first to avoid the publicity?

Everything he said during the tournament was an effort to decieve and confuse everyone. Apparently, it worked pretty well.

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I remember someone saying that Gold had been raising almost every hand, so Rizen decided to take a stand with the Ace. His table talk did seem really strange though. I'm kind of surprised no one at the table (mostly Mahatma) said anything about the talk while there were still people left to act.

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i thought the same thing. i really didn't like what i was seeing or hearing at all, and for Prahlad, the most notorious rules & etiquette stickler in the world, to ignore it is pretty weird.

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During at least one point in last nights telecase Prahlad did NOT look amused by Gold's table talk; perhaps his earlier run-in with Jeff L. (in which Prahlad appeared to be in the wrong at least wrt who's ante was missing) caused him to not say anything to Gold.

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I predict that in at least 3 years Jamie Gold will eclipse Hellmuth in terms of infamy and poker media obsession.

He will be very good for the future of poker.

Any publicity is good publicity, Gold knows this better than anyone.

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There was no way he would have laid down the best hand and openly admit it. Gold is obviously smarter than people think. If someone colludes to they openly say so with the TV cameras rolling?

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I haven't seen any of the main event on TV, but having heard his now "famous" radio interview, I wouldn't put anything past him in terms of cluelessness. It's definitely 'within the realm of possibility' that someone could get far into the main event and not understand much about collusion and ethics. Again, I haven't seen any of the tv stuff.

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So far this is the one time i've seen Gold outplay somebody. He got somebody to lay down 77 as the preflop raiser when the board was A-high. At all other times he basically held the nuts. He also got his money in bad a couple of times. I guess i'm still waiting for "...by far the greatest display of poker talent in the history of poker."

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So far this is the one time i've seen Gold outplay somebody. He got somebody to lay down 77 as the preflop raiser when the board was A-high. At all other times he basically held the nuts. He also got his money in bad a couple of times. I guess i'm still waiting for "...by far the greatest display of poker talent in the history of poker."

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there is no question he was a luckbox and that is 90 percent of the reason why he won. But i don't think he lucked his way passed all of these players.

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I love Raymer and Hachem and hate Gold, there goes your whole jealousy theory.

Most of the criticism of Gold does not stem from his play, but rather his very obnoxious and borderline unethical table talk.

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I'm sure he did some things right. Bad players make good plays from time to time. Obviously his style is also good for acumulating chips which is important in tournaments. Everybody i've talked to that has played with him in a cash game has told me he is a donator. It's possible they're wrong because he has an atypical and high variance style but i doubt it.

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So far this is the one time i've seen Gold outplay somebody. He got somebody to lay down 77 as the preflop raiser when the board was A-high. At all other times he basically held the nuts. He also got his money in bad a couple of times. I guess i'm still waiting for "...by far the greatest display of poker talent in the history of poker."

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If you watched the Final Table, he completely dominated it with not many showdowns.

I can't wait to see what everyone had.

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Yea, i'm interested too. I guess my prediction is that Gold catches some cards, makes some plays, and people play bad against him due to the pressure.

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Exactly. Varkoyi is a dork maybe but he's not a prick. There's a huge difference between the two for anyone over the age of fifteen.

Plus I wouldn't worry about Varkonyi cheating me or shooting angles if we happened to be the same tables. Gold, however...