NL Holdem at the Muckleshoot?
 

Are any Muckleshoot regulars/semi-regulars interested in trying to get a NL game going (probably similar structure to Tulalip with the $500 cap)? I've been told by several of the poker room managers (and numerous dealers) that they will spread any game that there's interest in. They claim that they tried to spread NL in the past but didn't have the interest for a sustainable game. I find it hard to believe that some of the 4/8 maniacs wouldn't be interested in at least 1/2 NL if available.

Anyone that wants to give it a try, please start asking for an interest list (if there's not one already). Of course maybe I'm just barking mad and the Southend is Limit-ville and no further with no interest in NL (or even a mixed game of some sort).

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I find it hard to believe that some of the 4/8 maniacs wouldn't be interested in at least 1/2 NL if available.


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Believe it.

The lower limit games at mucks aren't as maniacal as the smaller rooms. Where the 3-6 and 4-8s can get wild, mucks is usually pretty tame. Which is kind of odd. But they're not that much of action junkies at that limit. After all, they took the kill off the 3-6 games and only spread the kill on 'some' 4-8s.

I thought PJs was spreading a smaller spread game. ($25 max bet) But not sure how often it goes, if it does.

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I can see your point. This last weekend I spotted a maniac sitting 4/8 (w/kill) and got myself changed to that table. Imagine my delight to find that he had a maniac buddy and they were driving some action between them (4 way capped turn on a kill pot, AKJ9 board and pocket 8s wins it at showdown). While I was sitting there thinking 'This is great! What a turkey shoot!' I noticed a number of players coming and going, some commenting on 'too much action for me'.

That being said, it seems like even in Vegas that a lot of the rooms are spreading much less mid-limit HE these days and more 1/2NL and 2/5NL. Take the MGM Grand for example...

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I thought they couldn't do NL in WA because of some maximum bet rule that NL would exceed. At least that was my understanding as to why LaCenter doesn't offer it. That 10/20 LHE was the maximum they could have as to not exceed bet size rule. But LaCenter isn't an Indian Casino so ... . Sorry this is so off topic, I was curious. I didn't think there was any NL in WA? I drive up from Portland to play at LaCenter.

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I thought they couldn't do NL in WA because of some maximum bet rule that NL would exceed. At least that was my understanding as to why LaCenter doesn't offer it. That 10/20 LHE was the maximum they could have as to not exceed bet size rule. But LaCenter isn't an Indian Casino so ... . Sorry this is so off topic, I was curious. I didn't think there was any NL in WA? I drive up from Portland to play at LaCenter.

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Tribals can go to 500, non-tribals are capped at 25.

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Thank you for assuaging my curiosity. Cheers

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I thought PJs was spreading a smaller spread game. ($25 max bet) But not sure how often it goes, if it does.


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Parkers in Shoreline tried this for a while as well, haven't seen them playing this for a while though.

The $25 poker bet limit predates the minicasino's in Washington, and has stayed the same through the changes in minicasino limits.

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That being said, it seems like even in Vegas that a lot of the rooms are spreading much less mid-limit HE these days and more 1/2NL and 2/5NL. Take the MGM Grand for example...

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This isn't Vegas. Or AC. Or a big 'gambling' destination for anyone.

The player pool(and player turnover rate), imo, isn't deep enough to really support alot of mid limit spread game action for a long time(the pool isn't really that deep for 20-40). Especially in multiple rooms.

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To me it seems the biggest problem right now in WA is ignorance of the fact that Tribal casino's such as the muckleshoot, Red Wind, Tualip, etc are allowed to run NL games. There are an abundance of card rooms in WA 90% of which are mini-casinos spreading 3/6 4/8 limit or bowling alley's who run dealers choice games and charge time.

I believe there are tons of people who would make the extra 10 min drive to play a 1/2 2/5 NL game if they knew that option was viable.

Bottom Line is they don't and they stick to the mind numbing drag of 3/6 4/8 over and over like zombies following a trail of brains.

Zpin started this thread to see if there were people within an hours drive of the muckleshoot who would be willing to help us start that N/L game.

Things don't happen by magic if we want to get that NL game going it's going to take work.

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To me it seems the biggest problem right now in WA is ignorance of the fact that Tribal casino's such as the muckleshoot, Red Wind, Tualip, etc are allowed to run NL games. There are an abundance of card rooms in WA 90% of which are mini-casinos spreading 3/6 4/8 limit or bowling alley's who run dealers choice games and charge time.

I believe there are tons of people who would make the extra 10 min drive to play a 1/2 2/5 NL game if they knew that option was viable.

Bottom Line is they don't and they stick to the mind numbing drag of 3/6 4/8 over and over like zombies following a trail of brains.

Zpin started this thread to see if there were people within an hours drive of the muckleshoot who would be willing to help us start that N/L game.

Things don't happen by magic if we want to get that NL game going it's going to take work.

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Non tribals can run a spread limit game also. It's just only up to $25 max bet. Tribals still can't run an actual 'no limit' game.

Not sure what casinos are charging time right now.

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Casino's are not charging time. Some of the bowling alleys with cardrooms are charging time but the players deal.

And tualip does run a No Limit Texas Holdem: Yes (sort of, max bet $500)
$1/2 ($200 max buyin), $2/5 ($300 max buyin)

This is about some of the average NL games you would find in Vegas or AC.
So ONCE AGAIN tribals can spread NL games it's just the masses in WA are ignorant to the diffrences in rules between tribals and mini-casinos. And this is what's keeping us from starting our NL game at the muck.

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Minor point:

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And tualip does run a No Limit Texas Holdem: Yes (sort of, max bet $500)

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If you've ever played an actual no limit game, there is a quite a difference from real n/l and a spread limit. Especially when you have about $2k+ in front of you.

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And this is what's keeping us from starting our NL game at the muck.

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It's not like they've never tried to start a game at the muck. It's not like most regular players(Lil's and mucks) haven't heard about the Tulalip spread game. Many play both. For some reason, even on busy nights, the game never takes. Usually stops with about 4-6 players on the list. However, one thing that might help is if they showed it more prominently on the board.

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Ok dude how many RARE occasions does a 1/2 NL player with a 200 max buy in get up to 2k.
RARE RARE RARE

2) the ONLY casino I know of that has a 1/2 NL game with no max buy in is at the horseshoe

If the player does have 2k YES your right he can only bet 500.... but odds are if he has 2k in front of him odds are 90% of the table won't have the 500 to cover his bet so from a "technical standpoint you are correct" from a practical one just call it a NL game.

Actually I don't care This thread was started to see if we can get locals near the muck to get a regular NL game going.
I hope you live near us and would be willing to join.
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Joe
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The player pool(and player turnover rate), imo, isn't deep enough to really support alot of mid limit spread game action for a long time(the pool isn't really that deep for 20-40). Especially in multiple rooms.

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Last year the week of Christmas I was in town to see my family, and my wife and I managed to get down to the muck with my brother. As an aside the was the first and only time I've been to the muck, as I moved away from Seattle before I started playing Casino level poker. It was probably the Friday night before new years. I played in a decent 7-handed 50-100 game while I waited for my 10-20 seat so I could play with my brother (his regular game). I actually wanted to stay in the 50, but I was there to play with my bro. On to my question; is the 50 a regular game at the muck? Is it still spread? Did I just luck out and happen to show up when an unusually high game was running? I'd actually like to play the game again one night when I'm in town next time.

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Bernie,

While you are technically correct, especially about the larger buyin games, the 100-200$ buyin 3/5 nl game plays like NL about 97% of the time. I've run into problems with the max bet / seen a problem with it in that game only a couple of times. Too many people buyin for 100 / lock up wins / switch to the bigger game for you to get a few stacks that are deep enough for it to matter.

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The player pool(and player turnover rate), imo, isn't deep enough to really support alot of mid limit spread game action for a long time(the pool isn't really that deep for 20-40). Especially in multiple rooms.

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Last year the week of Christmas I was in town to see my family, and my wife and I managed to get down to the muck with my brother. As an aside the was the first and only time I've been to the muck, as I moved away from Seattle before I started playing Casino level poker. It was probably the Friday night before new years. I played in a decent 7-handed 50-100 game while I waited for my 10-20 seat so I could play with my brother (his regular game). I actually wanted to stay in the 50, but I was there to play with my bro. On to my question; is the 50 a regular game at the muck? Is it still spread? Did I just luck out and happen to show up when an unusually high game was running? I'd actually like to play the game again one night when I'm in town next time.

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They actually do still have the 50-100 (with 100/200 overs) on Tues & Thurs. Apparently it can get quite juicy at times (heard about a woman last week burning through $17K with action that sounded more like a typical 3/6 game)

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The player pool(and player turnover rate), imo, isn't deep enough to really support alot of mid limit spread game action for a long time(the pool isn't really that deep for 20-40). Especially in multiple rooms.

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Last year the week of Christmas I was in town to see my family, and my wife and I managed to get down to the muck with my brother. As an aside the was the first and only time I've been to the muck, as I moved away from Seattle before I started playing Casino level poker. It was probably the Friday night before new years. I played in a decent 7-handed 50-100 game while I waited for my 10-20 seat so I could play with my brother (his regular game). I actually wanted to stay in the 50, but I was there to play with my bro. On to my question; is the 50 a regular game at the muck? Is it still spread? Did I just luck out and happen to show up when an unusually high game was running? I'd actually like to play the game again one night when I'm in town next time.

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They actually do still have the 50-100 (with 100/200 overs) on Tues & Thurs. Apparently it can get quite juicy at times (heard about a woman last week burning through $17K with action that sounded more like a typical 3/6 game)

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Yeah, it can be a sweet game. If that chick is who I'm thinking of, I heard she left the room in tears.

Once in awhile I heard they move it to Tulalip. But it used to run on Tues and Thurs regularly. They seem to run a 50-100 quite often, though. Not sure if it runs on the weekend. You can always call and find out if one is going or if any names are on the list for it.

Sometimes they'll have a 200-400 game going. But not as often.

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Hello, I am new here (as of about a minute ago). I would play a NL game at the Muck. I used to play online before the law change and now I have been playing a bit in local casinos. However, I only play in the tourneys becuase I can't stand limit games. I know a lot of guys that feel the same way I do. I probably would only play at the Muck once ever couple of weeks though.

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By the way, I was at the Muck for the first time last Tuesday for the "double stack" tourney. I got there 30 minutes early and it was already full? Is that typical? Do I need to get there right at 6:00 to get a seat?

While I was there I watched the first level and saw the funniest thing I have ever seen at a poker table. The dealer was seated between the blinds. The dealers deals to everyone and the big blind must had forgot he justed posted his blind. He thought he was first to act and he folded. The table then folds around to the small blind who must have not seen the big blind fold becuase he folded too! But becuase the small blind was last to fold, he won half of the big blind. The big blind folded before anyone else and got half his money back! The small blind folded but doubled his money!

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heh damn donkey WA NL tournies.
Ugg 2 more months and I'm back from Iraq then the muck will have to spread a 2000 4000 game with all my dough [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img] heh
Come on ppl let's hear your name for the NL game at the muck

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Z any names yet for possibles

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By the way, I was at the Muck for the first time last Tuesday for the "double stack" tourney. I got there 30 minutes early and it was already full? Is that typical? Do I need to get there right at 6:00 to get a seat?

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Wednesday is actually a better tourney. Like a double stack but you get an extra 500 chips. Though the cost is a bit higher. But both are pretty popular. Likely will be even more popular now that the weather is starting to turn.

Both can fill up quick. Early sign ups start at about 5:30p. This is after they go around to people already in sidegames for signups. That happens about 5:15.

Last night was pretty dead, though. The tourney director was even (sarcastically) trying to get me to play. Which is kind of a long running joke between us.

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The weather is starting to turn in WA nahhhhh
it's still 110 in mosul

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72 today, 80 tomorrow, perfect weather here in seattle right now.

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Last night (Friday, the 22nd), they started an interest list for 2/5 Spread HE. They got 8 names at about 7 pm and it stayed that way until I left at about 9:30. Don't know if they ever got it going.

The game had a max buy-in of $200, and max single bet of $50.

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2/5 Spread to 50 HE game WTF !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
1/2 NL
2/5 500 NL
I guess I'd take a spread limit game
but seriously I"ve never even heard of 2/5 50max bet spread limit sheesh. I'm glad they got the name list to 8 but I still think they should be aiming for 1/2 NL or 2/5 NL Max bet 500 oh well
This is why we have to all get togethor figure out what we want, make a plan and all show up on the same night and see what we can get started

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Last night (Friday, the 22nd), they started an interest list for 2/5 Spread HE. They got 8 names at about 7 pm and it stayed that way until I left at about 9:30. Don't know if they ever got it going.

The game had a max buy-in of $200, and max single bet of $50.

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Usually, if the game isn't going by 6-7p on a weekend night, it's not going to go. There usually aren't any tables left to start the game.

I think you might've read the board wrong. Or a '0' was probably erased. I don't see them spreading a $200 max only $50 max bet game.

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Come on you muckers I'm stuck in Iraq show your patriotism and get me that NL game going for when i get home in Nov.
I gotta get some names togethor.

P.S. Ramadan is not peaceful these idiots are still blowing each other up even in their holy month

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I don't know you from Adam, but I just wanted to say thank you for your service in Iraq. Be safe and return home soon so I can take your money at the Muck. Thanks again to you and eveyone over there on our behalf.

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I don't know you from Adam, but I just wanted to say thank you for your service in Iraq. Be safe and return home soon so I can take your money at the Muck. Thanks again to you and eveyone over there on our behalf.

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Tell you what bud if I can get a NL game started at the muck I would play like maverick " I promise not to win a hand for an hour" and would enjoy giving some of my dough away just to ge the game started......
61 more days baby

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I wonder if they have any plans for new games after they finish the poker room expansion...

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Like I said before, they've said repeatedly that they will spread any game that there is interest for. That doesn't mean that they'll actively advertise anything that they'll not already regularly spreading though.

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Like I said before, they've said repeatedly that they will spread any game that there is interest for. That doesn't mean that they'll actively advertise anything that they'll not already regularly spreading though.

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Let me clarify:

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I wonder if they have any plans for new regular games after they finish the poker room expansion...

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There's a bit of difference between spreading any game there's interest for and having a permanent spot for "100-200 NL" on the board. There's more chance people will sit in the game if they see the game is spread there. Two Sundays ago Tulalip had three NL tables going - as opposed to two of limit - that's partly a function of people knowing the game is there. Maybe that's one function of the expansion - to make room for some NL.

That said, I'd prefer not to have the Muck's limit action killed by NL, as is happening in many Vegas rooms now, with the donkeys preferring to play where "people respect my raises and don't suck out on me."

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I would play a game similar to Tulalips' 5 nights a week+ if Muck spread it. Do you guys realize how bad live NL players are????

And FYI PJs was doing a $100NL game by calling it a "tourney" where you could rebuy and you "cashed out" (or won the tourney) after two hours. It went for a few weeks (decent action) but fizzled out I think.

P.S. What's with players who "cant take that kind of action" I've seen people online double through idiot actionjunkies online who are running 95/55 and people are saying "gg see you later" and i'm all but cancelling plans to stay.

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The Muck had a $200-$500 spread limit game going last night.

Ask and ye shall receive.

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Can you define the paramaters of the game ...
Blinds etc
I never heard of a 200-500 spread limit game

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or did you mean $2-$500 spread limit?

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From what I've seen, Tulalip and the Muck refer to their games in terms of min/max buy-in. The max bet equals the max buy-in, effectively making it a NL game for most players.

As for the blinds, I was playing limit, but at one point I did ask a dealer. I'm pretty sure they were 5/10.

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The list was going again today (but no game started) and it was indeed 5/10

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I hate cheaters with a passion..... But
with the internet ban we must all get togethor.
Every single person who walks into the muck with a Internet pokersite ballcap, Sunglasses and his internet poker Shirt.
Must be ganged up on and destroyed.
Just like in rounders were not cheating just trying to destroy Mr Pokerstars [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]