50/100 Deep
 

Live 50/100 effective stacks 35k
Villian is a tricky winning player. We have a lot of history and both open alot of pots.

I raise utg with Aces to 350 standard, folded to villian who repops to 1100 folded to back to me and I reraise to 3800. To my surprise he reraises to 8800. I believe this is the first time we have had pf action like this

I just called with the obvious outcome if I reraise again.
Would you just put it in hoping he stacks off with kk (slim chance) and most likely take it down?

Checkraise flop was the plan until
Flop: 10 J K rainbow Pot 18k

Action to hero?
If I check, what is plan if villian bets

I guess I will leave it at this for now and reply with flop action later

Re: 50/100 Deep
 

um... what do you have AA?

Re: 50/100 Deep
 

check fold, assuming you have AA.

Re: 50/100 Deep
 

AA oops

Re: 50/100 Deep
 

If you don't think he's gonna stack off with KK preflop what makes you think he's gonna do it on the flop... just shove preflop...

Re: 50/100 Deep
 

I would stick it in preflop. I don't think it's too much of a stretch to assume that villain will simply c/f KK if you call unless he improves.

Re: 50/100 Deep
 

The good news is that against KK the flop gives you 6 outs instead of only 2 to outrun him by the river. The bad news is that you are still a big dog to do so, and that he also gets to run you off with the other AA. When he put in the the raise to 8800 the pot then contained almost 1/3 of your starting stack and a smoothcall pretty much announces your hand as either AA or KK. So just get it all in pre and no more decisions.

Re: 50/100 Deep
 

villian never has AK or QQ here?

Re: 50/100 Deep
 

When you reraise to 3800, most players just call with kings, esp. in position, even this deep, right? My guess its a high chance he has the other AA even though tha matematical ratio is 6:1 preflop KK:AA, and after the flop 3:1.

Re: 50/100 Deep
 

It would be funny if you both had AA and you c/f this flop.

Re: 50/100 Deep
 

C/f seems obvious but I still hate it.

Re: 50/100 Deep
 

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C/f seems obvious but I still hate it.

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mehhhh.

Re: 50/100 Deep
 

He almost certainly has the other AA, but because there is also slim chance he has KK, and you didn't get it in pf, I would probably c/f

Re: 50/100 Deep
 

You're representing KK here now aren't you? Since you called pre flop instead of getting all your chips in.

Seems like the correct play is c/r all in. If he has AA he may fold. Even if he has KK youre not completely out of luck but I think most likely he has AA and you put him on a very tough decision.

Re: 50/100 Deep
 

LOL@ everything in this thread

shove PF there's enough in there RIGHT now

Re: 50/100 Deep
 

You're all results oriented. If the hand was posted with only the pre-flop action I'm pretty sure the majority of the posters would agree with just calling.

Re: 50/100 Deep
 

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You're all results oriented. If the hand was posted with only the pre-flop action I'm pretty sure the majority of the posters would agree with just calling.

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Re: 50/100 Deep
 

i once had a dream with this same exact hand.

only i got it in preflop and won a big pot vs AK and never had to consider folding on a nasty KJT flop. then i ate steak off vanessa milano's ass while bjork told me how her day went.

Re: 50/100 Deep
 

No, this has nothing to do with results. There's almost 9K in the pot already which is very nearly a buyin. Everytime I try and get cute with AA like this PF I f.uck myself making bad folds and getting stacked by sets

Re: 50/100 Deep
 

This deep when someone gives me this much action pf when I have AA, I stop fooling around and jack it in there and give them the chance for make a mistake for the rest of their stack rather than put myself in a situation where I'm likely get stacked if they hit their set on the flop, which his price is not really that bad for with the raise to $8800 considering how pot committed you are at that point. If he'd raised to over 10.5 I might say something different but I don't like calling at that price.

Re: 50/100 Deep
 

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i once had a dream with this same exact hand.

only i got it in preflop and won a big pot vs AK and never had to consider folding on a nasty KJT flop. then i ate steak off vanessa milano's ass while bjork told me how her day went.

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you are quickly becoming my favorite poster.
especally now that lapoker doesn't post anymore.

Re: 50/100 Deep
 

if you had KK in this spot would you play it the same way preflop?

and if so what you would do on this flop vs. this opponent?

i think there is a very good chance that if villian has AA here he is going to check behind.

i sometimes like to get tricky with AA preflop however i'm waaaaaaaaaaaaaay more apt to do it when i'm in position.

Re: 50/100 Deep
 

I re-raise all in PF.

Re: 50/100 Deep
 

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You're all results oriented. If the hand was posted with only the pre-flop action I'm pretty sure the majority of the posters would agree with just calling.



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Re: 50/100 Deep
 

not interesting

even tho its 50/100

Re: 50/100 Deep
 

I had a very similar hand the other day. The thing with my range is, sometimes I will 5 bet bluff preflop in order to get my opponent to fold...however I (and most other good players) will not just call a pf 4 bet without AA-QQ ((most likely towards the top of that range) so I would just push preflop). If he folds KK, well then that is pretty exploitable.

-Mike

(note: I AM EXTREMELY DRUNK)

Re: 50/100 Deep
 

do you really mind a fold preflop, if you already have 8k from him? Why not give him a chance to make a mistake. BTW, how many players at this table? Theres a difference between 9 and 4 people sitting at this table.

Re: 50/100 Deep
 

You have to call and plan to check flop and turn.....

Re: 50/100 Deep
 

check-raise him all-in and get him off the other AA

Re: 50/100 Deep
 

why do people always wanna play for their WHOLE stack with AA, even deep

this is an obvious pf push.. he may still call w/ KK AK if you dont have a very nitty image..

Re: 50/100 Deep
 

pushhhhhhhh pre and you officially have no decision to make on this ugly ass flop.

Re: 50/100 Deep
 

okay so i get it, everyone says push preflop, well that didnt happen. now what should line should the op be taking on the flop?

Re: 50/100 Deep
 

The consensus is to put it in preflop and I think I agree but I still am not entirely convinced.

In big live games that I play, this type of situation (pf raise, reraise, reraise, etc.) rarely comes up and against this particular villian I believe he will fold any hand except aces nearly 100%. Risk vs Reward

Anybody know what the probablity that a "safe" flop for aces vs kings will come up?

I check flop trying not to look disgusted and he checks behind. Turn blank.

Hero???

Re: 50/100 Deep
 

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I had a very similar hand the other day. The thing with my range is, sometimes I will 5 bet bluff preflop in order to get my opponent to fold...however I (and most other good players) will not just call a pf 4 bet without AA-QQ ((most likely towards the top of that range) so I would just push preflop). If he folds KK, well then that is pretty exploitable.

-Mike

(note: I AM EXTREMELY DRUNK)

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Yeah, it's so exploitable...how often do you try getting a guy off of KK for 35K preflop with only 4K invested to win 12K oh right. never.

Re: 50/100 Deep
 

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Yeah, it's so exploitable...how often do you try getting a guy off of KK for 35K preflop with only 4K invested to win 12K oh right. never.

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Re: 50/100 Deep
 

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do you really mind a fold preflop, if you already have 8k from him? Why not give him a chance to make a mistake. BTW, how many players at this table? Theres a difference between 9 and 4 people sitting at this table.

[/ QUOTE ]You shouldn't be thinking about how much you have in from him, you should be thinking instead of how much is in the pot, as that money is how much you are contending for at that instant.

Re: 50/100 Deep
 

Just wondering, would anyone raise less than all in PF?

Re: 50/100 Deep
 

Against a tricky opponent I'm more likely to just stick it all in here. You got the best hand obviously preflop and the pots already pretty big. If he's tricky he could be doing this with any PP really not putting you on such a big hand (until you called the 4bet). Therefore and flop is scary. This one is especially scary. I'd probably fire 10k on the flop... and if he pushes it's like what? 15k to win to win 55 that'll be in there with an overpair and a gutshot to the nuts... so you basically gotta call if you do that. I dunno I really really really hate this spot... interested to find out what happens.

Re: 50/100 Deep
 

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i once had a dream with this same exact hand.

only i got it in preflop and won a big pot vs AK and never had to consider folding on a nasty KJT flop. then i ate steak off vanessa milano's ass while bjork told me how her day went.

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HAHAHA

Re: 50/100 Deep
 

I can't believe you just called the 4-bet pf if there was a chance you weren't willing to get it in on any flop. This would be different if you were deeper, but when Villain makes it $8,800 I think you are now too shallow for that kind of a play. You're way better off just pushing AI preflop so that you don't have to deal with a flop like this, a pot with 180bb and ~260bb left to bet.