Prahlad, awesome poker - or dumb ego?
 

Considering he was 1 of only 3 poker "pros" left in the field, i am surprised just how personally he took the bluff showdown from Lisandro.

The very next opportunity, he reraised lisandro's pp with 92 to 300000. WOW...reallllly good pro move there.

Then bluff raises him on the turn with board full of hi cards to get lisandro to laydown his hand, and then shows him up by flipping cards over.

Makes for good TV, makes for a good ego boost, but is this good poker? Why on earth would you want to put so much on the line and risk near 2 weeks of work just so you can show someone up.

The chance someone (especially another pro), could put him on a bluff steal considering what just happened prior is there. The fact that he raised preflop, and all hi cards flopped the board makes it even more dangerous, and stupid IMHO.

Sure it looks great, looks like he outplayed him, but why would you want to put so many chips of your in such a dangerous spot just so you can show someone up???

It was pure stupidity to me.

Putting down a bluff when your in a hand legit and miss your draw and its your only option left to win a hand...OK.

Or putting it down cuz your hand is weak and you sense weakness...OK.

But setting yourself up from the get go in a situation where you know you are going to have to make a significant bluff to win the pot is just downright idiotic.


Anyways..it worked for him so i suppose he looks awesome, but i wasnt impressed.

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Making huge assumptions about the motives for plays made by one of the worlds best NL players....idiotic

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He seems to be a pretty smug, arrogant, and insincere douche from what I saw and I agree with what you're saying to an extent. I was surprised that Lisandro let him get away with it twice. I thought the second time looked like such an obvious bluff.

Of course, ESPN may have edited this little sequence out of several hours worth of play.

I'm also fairly convinced Friedman was shooting an angle on Lisandro with that ante crap in effort to tilt him. This was probably meant as more fuel to the fire.

That all said, I think he probably plays fairly well, likely better then Lisandro. Doesn't mean he isn't a [censored].

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I agree. The 9 2 hand was just a stupid play that happened to work out. The hand with 6 3 and the all-in move with the busted flush draw was strong poker indeed, given that he knew what he was doing, which I believe he did.

He didnt bluff raise him on the turn though like you were writing. He made a continuation bet on the flop from SB or BB, and lisandro mucked his hand. And after all he was defending his blinds, and it gives him a big edge showing how willing he is to defend it to the whole table when he shows the bluff. So by second thought its not a stupid play, but I wouldnt call it good either.

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prahlad has been known to do moves like this often

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The answer to this is probably "yes".

Again, if you've ever sweated him online, so much of what we saw is like way standard for him.

I would say it's less of an angle shoot and more the fact that Prahlad is like really weird and umm... vigilant with his feelings about poker ethics. Find some of his posts on here.

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Making huge assumptions about the motives for plays made by one of the worlds best NL players....idiotic

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Making huge assumptions about the motives for plays made by one of the worlds best NL players....idiotic

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I think that's just how prahlad plays. In the few short orbits that Prahlad and I played together, deep in the WSOP 1K rebuy, he re-raised me twice in position with rags, and showed them after I folded.

The third time he re-raised me, I pushed allin with 99, and he called allin with fours.

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Shane it sure would have been nice to see you knock Eric Molina on his ass (sigh)

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I would say it's less of an angle shoot and more the fact that Prahlad is like really weird and umm... vigilant with his feelings about poker ethics. Find some of his posts on here.

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What do his poker ethics say about calling another player a thief, and then saying flat out a couple times, "I don't trust you, sir?"

NCAces

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I don't think he's as good at reading as he seems to think he is.

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i didn't think any of the moves were stupid...he sensed weakness and attacked, nothing wrong with that

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The answer to this is probably "yes".

Again, if you've ever sweated him online, so much of what we saw is like way standard for him.

I would say it's less of an angle shoot and more the fact that Prahlad is like really weird and umm... vigilant with his feelings about poker ethics. Find some of his posts on here.

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any links? whats his username?

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I was surprised that Lisandro let him get away with it twice. I thought the second time looked like such an obvious bluff.

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It was obvious because you saw his hand. If Lisandro had paid him off with 4th pair there, that would have been even more tilty and embarassing than being bluffed.


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Of course, ESPN may have edited this little sequence out of several hours worth of play.

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They were close. The first two hands- Lisandro's bluff with 44 and Prahlad's subsequent bluff- happened back to back. The next bluff I think was just one orbit later.

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I'm also fairly convinced Friedman was shooting an angle on Lisandro with that ante crap in effort to tilt him. This was probably meant as more fuel to the fire.

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Ya think? And what Prahlad did wasn't angle shooting. It was just being a douche.

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Tremendous talent. Good for the game. All the rest.

-Prahlad Fanboy

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End result: He picked up a couple of decent sized pots and also probably detered Lisandro from making further such plays.

Good poker in my book.

Not sure when my book is coming out though

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Good poker, and its in his style.

On the first re-raise, you could tell Lisandro was uncomfortable by the whole thing. The reaction and his facial expression after the flop was noticeable.

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The answer to this is probably "yes".

Again, if you've ever sweated him online, so much of what we saw is like way standard for him.

I would say it's less of an angle shoot and more the fact that Prahlad is like really weird and umm... vigilant with his feelings about poker ethics. Find some of his posts on here.

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any links? whats his username?

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I haven't watched him in a long time but it used to be Spirit Rock on UB. He's who Phil Gordon is referring to as BOW (Big Online Winner) in his book.

He's also known for his freestyle rapping.

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I thought it was great he not only won the pots with the worst hand but he also really got to Lissandro..possibly setting him up for later in the tournament

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I haven't watched him in a long time but it used to be Spirit Rock on UB. He's who Phil Gordon is referring to as BOW (Big Online Winner) in his book.

He's also known for his freestyle rapping.

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thanks.
do you know his 2p2 username so i could search the archives
for some of his posts?

i caught a couple of his verses before alright.

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I couldn't say for sure whether he was shooting an angle and attempting to tilt the older dude. What I did find somewhat suprising was how casually antes were treated both by the organizers and ESPN.

I realize that a $5k chip isn't a huge deal in terms of an $80m prize pool, but it is is still $5,000 of EV for somebody. In my world $5,000 is a significant amount of money and deserves somebody double-checking that everybody has anted-up. It's kind of like Citibank saying, "Oh never mind about the $5,000 we took from your account. We have over $80m on deposit at this branch."

It's possible the whole thing was an angle, but also that PF was honestly mistaken and was upset. I don't think it's wierd to be upset by somebody not anteing for $5k.

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Makes for good TV, makes for a good ego boost, but is this good poker? Why on earth would you want to put so much on the line and risk near 2 weeks of work just so you can show someone up.


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This doesn't happen much, but when I play online, and someone starts talking, and they think they're getting into my head, my reaction has always been to reinforce that impression, and meanwhile to play normal, solid poker. In general, this means I don't do things that people on tilt would do. I don't make loose calldowns and I probably don't rebluff quite as much as I should.

Maybe Prahlad thought he could induce Lisandro to be predictable in this fashion? In any case, the episode has me rethinking my solid poker shell against certain players.

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I couldn't say for sure whether he was shooting an angle and attempting to tilt the older dude. What I did find somewhat suprising was how casually antes were treated both by the organizers and ESPN.

I realize that a $5k chip isn't a huge deal in terms of an $80m prize pool, but it is is still $5,000 of EV for somebody. In my world $5,000 is a significant amount of money and deserves somebody double-checking that everybody has anted-up. It's kind of like Citibank saying, "Oh never mind about the $5,000 we took from your account. We have over $80m on deposit at this branch."

It's possible the whole thing was an angle, but also that PF was honestly mistaken and was upset. I don't think it's wierd to be upset by somebody not anteing for $5k.

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I thought this was in a tournament...?

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The answer to this is probably "yes".

Again, if you've ever sweated him online, so much of what we saw is like way standard for him.

I would say it's less of an angle shoot and more the fact that Prahlad is like really weird and umm... vigilant with his feelings about poker ethics. Find some of his posts on here.

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any links? whats his username?

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You're joking, right?

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I'm pretty sure Prahlad = Raptor_Christ

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LOL at this post

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seriously, i hope this post was a joke.

PF's downright scary to play against because of things like this. Let's see lisandro read him after those two bluffs. Yikes.

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thanks for the help

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seeems like something i should see.
youtube link?
i kind of like the way pra wears his heart on his sleave in what is a very brutal game.

a side note.....
often my friends will start playing internet poker and i'll be able to predict with nearly 100% accuracy whether they will be get addicted or not. it's fairly simple... people who tend to thrive on adrenaline get addicted. pra is clearly a very excitable, adrenaline-fueled guy (though, like me, he basically seems calm) --- i think this comes through in his chat and his behavior in front of the cameras. that said, i've seen only a small portion of his tv coverage from the 06 main.

Brandon

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I agree. The 9 2 hand was just a stupid play that happened to work out. The hand with 6 3 and the all-in move with the busted flush draw was strong poker indeed, given that he knew what he was doing, which I believe he did.

He didnt bluff raise him on the turn though like you were writing. He made a continuation bet on the flop from SB or BB, and lisandro mucked his hand. And after all he was defending his blinds, and it gives him a big edge showing how willing he is to defend it to the whole table when he shows the bluff. So by second thought its not a stupid play, but I wouldnt call it good either.

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1a. You absolutely have to be capable of plays like this to be a long term winner in any kind of poker where the effective stack size is more than 10BB.

1b. Prahald is hardly inventing the wheel with this line and I'm really surprised its getting any discussion at all.

2. From Lisandro's seat, I am more likely to attack Prahlad's blind since he is willing to defend it oop with absolute garbage.