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fuzzylogic 09-13-2006 02:35 PM

10/20NL 6max, I think I screwed this Part II
 
I really hate myself when I freeze in big pots (like 200BB behind or so) when I have less than the nuts. Villain is solid winner in my stats ~20/16

Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em, $ Hero (6 handed) internettexasholdem.com

saw flop|<font color="#C00000">saw showdown</font>

SB ($380)
Hero ($4207.76)
UTG ($5513.14)
MP ($779.50)
CO ($2000)
Button ($1838)

Preflop: Hero is BB with K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]. SB posts a blind of $10.
<font color="#CC3333">UTG raises to $80</font>, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, CO calls $80, <font color="#666666">2 folds</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises to $330</font>, UTG calls $270, CO folds.

Flop: ($790) J[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 4[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 4[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">Hero bets $500</font>, UTG calls $500.

Turn: ($1790) 6[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
Hero checks, <font color="#CC3333">UTG bets $900</font>, Hero ??

I should lead here and evaluate then if I get raised, right?
If you bet here and get raised is that a fold then? If he just calls and river blanks do you just shove or ?

Lucky 09-13-2006 02:47 PM

Re: 10/20NL 6max, I think I screwed this Part II
 
I think turn check is fine. He may bet TT/QQ, even AhKx.

Options are now to call and lead river or c/r. I probably c/r here. AhKx may come along with 12 outs, maybe QhQx, though you lose TT.

09-13-2006 02:53 PM

Re: 10/20NL 6max, I think I screwed this Part II
 
nothing wrong with shoving here.

leading turn again for 1k is also good line. I think you would have to call if he pushed, too.

samoleus 09-13-2006 03:01 PM

Re: 10/20NL 6max, I think I screwed this Part II
 
this decision is very very opponent specific; as a default, I would push - but that is partially because I have such a reckless image.

maddog2030 09-13-2006 03:14 PM

Re: 10/20NL 6max, I think I screwed this Part II
 
I don't play these stakes so I don't usually comment on these hands, but it really looks like AhAx or JJ to me with that turn bet.

fuzzylogic 09-14-2006 04:11 AM

Re: 10/20NL 6max, I think I screwed this Part II
 
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this decision is very very opponent specific; as a default, I would push - but that is partially because I have such a reckless image.

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Villain was vnguy31, if that helps.

iFoldTheNuts 09-14-2006 05:10 AM

Re: 10/20NL 6max, I think I screwed this Part II
 
this is a bet he could be making with any middle pp with a heart. You checked the turn showing weakness, he could very well be attempting to steal thinking he has outs. Unless this guy is sneaky and is playing AA strangely I think you're ahead. Of course JJ is a possiblity but a vague one IMO. Of course I dont play these limits so....

thabadguy 09-14-2006 07:00 AM

Re: 10/20NL 6max, I think I screwed this Part II
 
AAAALLLLLLINNGNGNG

fuzzylogic 09-14-2006 07:51 AM

Re: 10/20NL 6max, I think I screwed this Part II
 
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this is a bet he could be making with any middle pp with a heart. You checked the turn showing weakness, he could very well be attempting to steal thinking he has outs. Unless this guy is sneaky and is playing AA strangely I think you're ahead. Of course JJ is a possiblity but a vague one IMO. Of course I dont play these limits so....

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So all of you are suggesting that I should play with my stack here? I think that if I check-raise AI here he will fold all hands that I beat and instacall when im beat. I doubt he would call with Q[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]Q or A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]x.

maddog2030 09-14-2006 01:13 PM

Re: 10/20NL 6max, I think I screwed this Part II
 
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I doubt he would call with QQ or Ax.

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I think those hands most likely would've checked behind on turn anyway, but if they did bet, would've bet bigger.

fuzzylogic 09-18-2006 03:53 PM

Re: 10/20NL 6max, I think I screwed this Part II
 
Maybe because I was in the middle of worst downswing I had ever had I folded my Kings here...awful?

Jocke_F 09-18-2006 05:13 PM

Re: 10/20NL 6max, I think I screwed this Part II
 
I really don't see a point in check-raising here, does any better hands fold, does any worse come along? borderline, I like calling, and yes folding seems very bad.


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