River decision vs Antonio Esfandiari
 

I've never played with Antonio before, but apparently Antonio is his UB name.

This is within the first few rounds since he sat down, so I don't really think he has much of a read on me. Also, I don't have much of a read on him, outside of what we see on TV.

Ultimate Bet No-Limit Hold'em, $25 BB (6 handed) internettexasholdem.com

CO ($3078)
Button ($1676.50)
SB ($2440)
BB ($10082.50)
Hero ($3912)
MP ($2119.50)

Preflop: Hero is UTG with A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img].
<font color="#CC3333">Hero raises to $85</font>, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, CO calls $85, Button calls $85, <font color="#666666">2 folds</font>.

Flop: ($290) 3[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 2[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 2[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">Hero bets $200</font>, CO calls $200, Button folds.

Turn: ($690) Q[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">Hero bets $400</font>, CO calls $400.

River: ($1490) K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">Hero...</font> River plan? vbet, c/f, c/c? Effective river stack size is 2300. I think flop and turn are quasi standard.. although thoughts appreciated.

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i like a smallish vbet on riv with plan on folding to raise

i think spades are the least thing to be worried about unless he is playing very loose passive and floating UTG cbets with wide ranges. i think with his flop/turn call he has a mid PP, or overcards that spiked a Q. KQ got there, though.

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any idea how he views you? i'd almost always check this river and prob fold most of the time, sometimes calling if i get a read based on timing/bet size.

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bet 1100 or check fold. i hate check call.

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i check fold here, honestly

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i check fold here, honestly

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what if you had AK?

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any idea how he views you? i'd almost always check this river and prob fold most of the time, sometimes calling if i get a read based on timing/bet size.

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No clue to be honest. It's for sure the first time we have played in 8 weeks, probably the first time ever. He had only been at the table a few rounds iirc.

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i check fold here, honestly

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what if you had AK?

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same

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i check fold here, honestly

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what if you had AK?

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same

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i check fold here, honestly

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what if you had AK?

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same

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ok just checking

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not nec. a range question, it's going to be a detailed post, and i need zzzz

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c/c, I've played with him enough to know that he's sometimes firing with 66 here, he's so hyperaggressive, as played I don't see how you can c/f, especially vs him

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bet call shove. holla

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bet call shove. holla

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whoawhoawhoa, call shove? expln? or if u dont want to just IM me yo.

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i always VB this.

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Vs a hyper aggressive player like Antonio id like a small blocking bet here of like 450, he may try and represent AK or some other big hand to try and move you off of your queens with ace kicker ..i woudnt be surprised if he re-raises you all in with 88-JJ here to a weak river bet.

He most likely will fold to any large value bet. Doesnt everyone here think hero is way ahead in this hand? if he floated to the river and hit the 3 outer oh well [img]/images/graemlins/frown.gif[/img]

Id say if your behind its only to 45 or 56 of spades.

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bet call shove. holla

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Raptor, im also curious what you mean. could you please explain.

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id say that theres always someone posting "blockbet it, he will probably bluffraise" in every thread. you're all vaginas

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bet call shove. holla

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That was my first thought too (minus the "holla" [img]/images/graemlins/tongue.gif[/img]). His river raise is nuts/air. KQ doesn't make sense either unless he calls flop chasing overcards, which I doubt. He could've flopped something, but that's the only hand I could give him credit for. This is either bet/call raise or just check-call (which I dont' see as being ugly at all since I can't give him credit for a better hand, or one that can call a value bet after that river).

Kirk

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bet call shove. holla

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That was my first thought too (minus the "holla" [img]/images/graemlins/tongue.gif[/img]). His river raise is nuts/air. KQ doesn't make sense either unless he calls flop chasing overcards, which I doubt. He could've flopped something, but that's the only hand I could give him credit for. This is either bet/call raise or just check-call (which I dont' see as being ugly at all since I can't give him credit for a better hand, or one that can call a value bet after that river).

Kirk

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bet, he folds 77

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I check and probably fold. I hate betting here.

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bet call shove. holla

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I like assuming the bet is a weakish lead...but I'm a callbox

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at 10-25, antonio will be VERY play happy. lead at the pot for something like 550 and call the push. i think that is without a doubt the most profitable way to play this hand. he could have anything and will look at the Ks on the river as a PERFECT scare card to take you off the hand. lead 550 call the shove. holla

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check call: his most likely hand is a pocket pair under the queen I think.

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check call: his most likely hand is a pocket pair under the queen I think.

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but wouldnt he just check those hands behind? I cant ever see a reason for him firing with 88 on that river if we check to him. Therefore if he bets its either with a much better hand than us or air. All we have is a bluff catcher, so id check then evaluate.

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None of you think he has a hand like 4s5s? He could even have a hand like As4s or As5s. He could be calling turn for str8 and flush draw now.

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check call: his most likely hand is a pocket pair under the queen I think.

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but wouldnt he just check those hands behind? I cant ever see a reason for him firing with 88 on that river if we check to him.

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Can't imagine such an aggro player checking rvr behind with 88.

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why the hell not? heros play would be consistant with a PP 44-77 or other medium strength hands that 88 beats

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right, it has too much showdown value but obviously isnt good enough to be value betting. That is the only logic I could see behind check fold. But I like check best.

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check call: his most likely hand is a pocket pair under the queen I think.

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But you think he will bet with those hands? I think those hands are most lilely but I expect them to check behind if I check.

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at 10-25, antonio will be VERY play happy. lead at the pot for something like 550 and call the push. i think that is without a doubt the most profitable way to play this hand. he could have anything and will look at the Ks on the river as a PERFECT scare card to take you off the hand. lead 550 call the shove. holla

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holla

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I think he's more likely to be on 44-99 here. I like c/c turn, then value bet river, or c/c if you think he'll push over you/fire again if you check. Basically a small value bet is best on river, just tougher if he reads you as weak and raises.

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Antonio is definitely aggro enough to bluff with 88 here

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Antonio is definitely aggro enough to bluff with 88 here

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He might be agro enough, but I doubt he's stupid enough.

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he is the most aggressive player I've ever played against, if he thinks hero often has JJ-99 he won't hesitate to fire

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For people saying bet/call a shove, what hands do you think he's shoving as a bluff? Is he going to turn mid PPs into bluffs? Does he ever have &lt; 2 pair here? Honest questions.. I have no idea.

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i think you should be thinking about bet/call as well as c/f, but you need a have a very good read on the flow of the game/his frequencies for bluffing like that during the specific session. meaning without a great read on him, i'd be c/f, although there would be a small % of the time i'm bet/calling.

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Are you never bet/folding?

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Are you never bet/folding?

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nah, if i bet, he's not going to call w/worse usually, he'd sense that he might not be good and either fold or shove as a bluff, so if i'm going to be betting it's because i think his bluffing frequency is high enough where i'll stack him there when he shoves, enough of the time at least, to make it +EV