Standard?
 

Villain is 54/18.

PokerStars 10/20 Hold'em (5 handed) pokerhand.org hand converter

Preflop: Hero is BB with Q[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img].
<font color="#CC3333">UTG raises</font>, <font color="#666666">3 folds</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero 3-bets</font>, <font color="#CC3333">UTG caps</font>, Hero calls.

Flop: (8.50 SB) 5[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 6[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 9[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
Hero checks, <font color="#CC3333">UTG bets</font>, Hero calls.

Turn: (5.25 BB) 2[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
Hero checks, <font color="#CC3333">UTG bets</font>, Hero calls.

River: (7.25 BB) 6[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
Hero checks, <font color="#CC3333">UTG bets</font>, Hero calls.

Final Pot: 9.25 BB

Re: Standard?
 

sure. these guys can be kind of nutty and our hand has a fair amount of SD value plus we likely have 6 outs when behind on the flop/turn.

Re: Standard?
 

Yah.

Re: Standard?
 

I am never sure whether the river call is right here. My approach has been to call him the first time something like this happens and fold in the future if it turns out he had a hand. Obviously if he keeps three-barelling me I'll revert to calling after a while.

There was a thread the other day where some people (including ALL1N for sure) advocated the converse, i.e. fold this one but call if it comes up again.

I am just not sure. I don't like folding a hand with showdown value versus a LAGgy sort of player when all I've done postflop has been check and call. On the other hand a lot of weaker aces won't bother to bet the river.

Guy.

Re: Standard?
 

Looks good. Against this guy we have to call the river for sure.

Re: Standard?
 

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Serious question: what do 54/18 preflop stats tell us about his river play?

What I mean is, can we really extrapolate those out-of-line pf numbers to get some kind of hints about his likely postflop tendencies?

Guy.

Re: Standard?
 

The donk factor is atleast 20% with those preflop stats imo.

Re: Standard?
 

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Against this guy

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Serious question: what do 54/18 preflop stats tell us about his river play?

What I mean is, can we really extrapolate those out-of-line pf numbers to get some kind of hints about his likely postflop tendencies?

Guy.

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Those preflop stats means he's barrelling JTs. [img]/images/graemlins/tongue.gif[/img]

Re: Standard?
 

Perfect. Although I have seen a few exceptions, those preflop stats almost always indicate a general lack of knowledge, discipline, sense, etc--which is highly correlated with the inclination to fire 3 barrels (or 30 barrels for that matter if there were that many streets).

Re: Standard?
 

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Perfect. Although I have seen a few exceptions, those preflop stats almost always indicate a general lack of knowledge, discipline, sense, etc--which is highly correlated with the inclination to fire 3 barrels (or 30 barrels for that matter if there were that many streets).


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Re: Standard?
 

I think it depends on what you have done during the session. If you've been calling down a lot with A high, I think you can find a fold on the turn. If you have been folding a lot, then call down.

I usually mix this up. Sometimes randomly call down, sometimes fold.

Re: Standard?
 

relying on the 54/18 read alone,

No, absolutely not standard.

Re: Standard?
 

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relying on the 54/18 read alone,

No, absolutely not standard.

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Explain, please?

Re: Standard?
 

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Against this guy

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Serious question: what do 54/18 preflop stats tell us about his river play?

What I mean is, can we really extrapolate those out-of-line pf numbers to get some kind of hints about his likely postflop tendencies?

Guy.

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i think thats a great question. what do we know about his post flop play. why not try raising the flop? why not get more information?

if we raise him there he can call, we may check through depending on the turn. lets say we hit our Q, he bets into it. he may have us beat but most of the time we are good there and pretty sure he will call down. even if we miss we can bet into him on the turn and put pressure on him. we want to give him more chances to make mistakes in this hand. but the most imprtant question maybe, do we take too much for granted when we see the 54/18? how many hands have we seen him play? has he been winning (his table image)? whats his agg stats?

doc