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Here's my team:

8 team league. 1 QB, 1 RB, 2 WR, 1 RB/WR, 1 TE, 1 Defense, and 1 K.
25 passing yds per point; 4 point passing TD; 10 rushing yds per point; 6 points per rushing TD; 10 receiving yds per point; 6 points per receiving TD
QB: Kurt Warner (AZ); Donovan McNabb (PHI); Eli Manning (NYG); Daunte Culpepper (MIA)
RB: Edgerrin James (AZ); Clinton Portis (WAS); Tatum Bell (DEN); Mike Anderson (BAL); Willie Parker (PIT)
WR: Randy Moss (OAK); Santana Moss (WAS); Ernest Wilford (JAC)
TE: Randy McMichael (MIA); Chris Cooley (WAS)
Defense: BAL
K: Shayne Graham (CIN)

Weak at WR. Possibly stacked at QB.

I was just offered McNabb for Plaxico. I think Eli, Warner, and Culpepper should produce well enough for me to give up McNabb, but am I getting enough in return?

Opp also has McGahee, Dunn, DeAngelo Williams, Julius Jones at RB. And Owens, Chambers, Joe Horn, and Donte Stallworth at WR

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Just got a trade offer from a disgruntled LJ owner I beat this week.

He gives me LJ + Culpepper and I give him Tiki Barber + Hassleback. I have Warner at QB as well so I'm not too worried about the dropoff there. I'm just not sure what to think of the Chiefs situation. They didn't look good, and Green being out can't do anything but hurt LJs production since they can stack up against him, but he still is the #1 guy, so no brainer?

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Pull. Trigger. Now.

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No kidding. Wow.

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Just got a trade offer from a disgruntled LJ owner I beat this week.

He gives me LJ + Culpepper and I give him Tiki Barber + Hassleback. I have Warner at QB as well so I'm not too worried about the dropoff there. I'm just not sure what to think of the Chiefs situation. They didn't look good, and Green being out can't do anything but hurt LJs production since they can stack up against him, but he still is the #1 guy, so no brainer?

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If you do not make this trade I will hunt you down and kill you out of principle alone.

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I need to start 3 WR/TEs.
TD = 6 pts
10 yards = 1 pt, with decimals

Choices are:
Plaxico - 80 yds, 1 TD in week one
Tony Gonzalez - 81 yds, 1 TD
Eric Moulds - 68 yds, 1 TD
L. Coles - 153 yds

I am thinking Plaxico, Gonzalez, and Coles. Mainly because Huard seemed to really key on Gonzalez when he came into the game, and Coles is the primary target for the Jets. I would think that Andre Johnson would probably get more balls than Moulds in the long run.

What do you think?

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Hint next year, don't draft 4 QBs ever. 2 Max. You can easily get WW QBs in most leagues and there's no reason to get too many QBs. WRs and RBs are worth a lot more since you have multiple starters and there aren't that many elite ones. Plaxico isn't amazing but he's probally worth the trade, personally I'd rather have Donte or Chambers due to the sheer number of weapons on the Giants but that's just my personal opinion. Chambers will tear up weak Ds and Donte has no other real viable #2 WRs on his team while Plaxico has to split catches from Toomer, Shockey, Barber and possibly a 3rd WR (Moss, etc.).

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Hint next year, don't draft 4 QBs ever.

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Auto draft league. But thanks for your advice.

Another owner only has 1 QB (no backup at all). I offered him McNabb for Larry Fitzgerald. He called me crazy.

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I'd call you crazy as well. McNabb is still a 40-50 pick guy. Who is his QB? Fitz is a top 20 pick easily. As others were saying, you can easily get decent QBs on the WW while after the first couple of weeks, getting a decent WR or RB is going to be hard to most active leagues WW.

I'm betting these guys are currently available on most leagues WW and should be decent:

Kitna
A. Smith
B. Johnson
K. Collins

While your lucky to get any WR or RB who is decent left e/c due to injuries. Your not going to get a top WR (Fitz is top 5) for McNabb. Your lucky to get a guy like Plaxico, Roy Williams or Walker.

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I made the trade, pending league approval

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I'd call you crazy as well. McNabb is still a 40-50 pick guy. Who is his QB? Fitz is a top 20 pick easily. As others were saying, you can easily get decent QBs on the WW while after the first couple of weeks, getting a decent WR or RB is going to be hard to most active leagues WW.

I'm betting these guys are currently available on most leagues WW and should be decent:

Kitna
A. Smith
B. Johnson
K. Collins

While your lucky to get any WR or RB who is decent left e/c due to injuries. Your not going to get a top WR (Fitz is top 5) for McNabb. Your lucky to get a guy like Plaxico, Roy Williams or Walker.

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Of course I realize that Fitz is a top 5 WR. That's why I wanted the trade [img]/images/graemlins/wink.gif[/img]. But McNabb is a top 5 QB. Villain currently has McNair as his QB and is stacked at WR. In fact, he has Steve Smith on his bench. I think that the upgrade from McNair to McNabb is worth the loss of Fitz (especially when you have no QBs on your bench. Would you really trust your fantasy team to Kerry Collins on the WW?)

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he has Steve Smith on his bench

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Because of an injury.

-McGee

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he has Steve Smith on his bench

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Because of an injury.


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I know that. My point was that losing Fitz isn't a big deal when you have Steve Smith on the bench, considering he should be coming back this week.

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he has Steve Smith on his bench

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Because of an injury.


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I know that. My point was that losing Fitz isn't a big deal when you have Steve Smith on the bench, considering he should be coming back this week.

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Since you start 2 WR this doesn't matter as it's the drop-off from FItzgerald to his 3rd WR that will actually impact his starting lineup. And WR depth is important.

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Just b/c someone is top 5 at a position doesn't mean they have equal trade value. Would you trade LT for Carson P. Both are top 5 at their position but LT is of course much more valuable. Having both Fitz and Smith (obviously both were top 3 picks for this guy) give him a very good WR combo.

You can easily win leagues without top flight QBs as long as your WRs/RBs are very good and with those 2 he has very good atleast at WRs. I won the regular season last year going with Delhomme for most of the year, switching the Warner and then getting back ended the rest of the year and ended up getting 2nd after having both Harrison and Edge sitting during the last 2 weeks of the year. You don't need McNasty to win the title, you can win with a guy like McNair. I wouldn't give up Fitz for a QB unless his name was Peyton and wouldn't give up Fitz otherwise unless I was offer Chad Johnson or a top 10 RB. QBs 1-15 are all very solid.

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Personally I would go after decent WRs with upside in your case.

Examples would be:

Bryant
Plaxico (as you already have)
Coles (with Pennington he should be good)
Roy Williams (might be a little overvalued)
Drew Bennett
Chambers
Walker

I don't think you can get top 5 WRs without giving up some serious talent. As stated earlier, you have 4 very good QBs, of which you only really need 2. I'd keep Warner and either Eli or Culpepper (proballyt trade Culpepper) and go from there.

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I am pretty deep at RB, though RB2 spot is more of a running back by commitee each week based on matchup. My receivers and QB situation are also very solid, so should I consider making some kind of trade to upgrade D/TE/something else?

I have a trade for LJ/Culpepper for Barber/Hassleback, so my lineup may change slightly, but here it is for now

QB: Warner
QB: Hassleback
RB: Barber
RB: C. Taylor
RB: A. Green
RB: T. Jones
RB: J. Jones
RB: L. Maroney
WR: Steve Smith
WR: Holt
WR: Deion Branch
WR: Santana Moss
TE: Kellen Winslow
K: Kaeding
DEF: Tampa Bay

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Examples would be:

Bryant
Plaxico (as you already have)
Coles (with Pennington he should be good)
Roy Williams (might be a little overvalued)
Drew Bennett
Chambers
Walker


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I'd keep Warner and either Eli or Culpepper (proballyt trade Culpepper) and go from there.

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Latest offer is I'd give up Eli or McNabb (whichever I choose) for Donte Stallworth.

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Pick my WRs!

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Just take the top 3; how is that close?

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Pick my defense.

In one legue, I have the Carolina defense. That's a pretty good defense and I was planning on sticking with them for a while. But in looking at the top performing FAs, near the top is New Orleans. Not only that, they're playing Green Bay, a team that looked pretty bad last week.

Thing is, they're playing in GB. While Carolina is playing in Minnesota. Who do I pick?

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Yeah - the bottom three are starting vs. good defenses. Take the top three - this isn't really even a hard decision.

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Yeah - the bottom three are starting vs. good defenses. Take the top three - this isn't really even a hard decision.

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I can only carry 3 RB's and I got Jordan & McGahee. Tatum Bell or Thomas Jones for the rest of the year in a TD/catches league?

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Hmm, the Plummer v. Rivers is closer than I thought, the Burress v. Coles is more lopsided than I thought, and McGahee was my thought to start over Williams.

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kyro,

i suspect gruden will really work harder to establish the run against atlanta given what happened vs. baltimore. caddy is overrated but good, and i wouldn't be surprised if he had a decent game. that said i'm starting frank gore over him so meh.

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I can only carry 3 RB's and I got Jordan & McGahee. Tatum Bell or Thomas Jones for the rest of the year in a TD/catches league?

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Blah...what's the latest on Benson? I'm leaning towards Bell, but that's a crappy situation to be in.

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Ok, I think I need some lineup assistance this week.


1-0 in a 12-team league, QB, WR, WR, RB, RB, TE, K, DEF, BN, BN, BN, BN, BN, BN, BN, BN

QB
Big Ben - Pit @ JAC
Pennington - NYJ v ne

Going with Ben I think. Not to interested in playing Chad v NE


RB
Westbrook - PHI v nyg
Droughns - cle @ CIN
Jordon - oak @ BAL
S. Davis - stl @ SF

I'm thinking Westbrook and either Droughns or Davis.


WR
Muhammad - CHI v det
Stokley - IND v hou
Jenkins - ATL v tb
Sa. Moss - was @ DAL
Jackson - SEA v ari
Cotchery - NYJ v ne

Muhammad & Stokley?? Or maybe Jenkins going against TB.


TE
H. Miller baby! [img]/images/graemlins/wink.gif[/img]


K
Brown - SEA v ari
Graham - CIN v cle


DEF
St. Louis

TB let me down so I dropped them like a rock and picked up St. Louis since they play SF this week.

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By,

I think that your decisions are no brainers. New Englands D is no where near what it used to be, and Pennington looks like his old self. Start CP at QB. Also, the Browns line is not there yet. They have three new players, and allowed a [censored] of sacks last week. I would start Davis over Droughns.

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All,

I was really [censored] by TB last week as my starting QB is Chris Simms, and my starting RB is C. Williams. What are everyones thoughts here? I have C. Frye, and M. Bell available as backups respectively.

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johnny,

Caddy against ATL is not looking like a good thing right now. I'd go M. Bell as Denver at home vs. a Green-less KC looks like a great matchup. And how the hell do you only have Simms and Frye as QBs? There has to be someone better on the wire, no?

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I think Caddy will be fine vs. Atl. Falcons run D is not good.

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QB
Big Ben - Pit @ JAC
Pennington - NYJ v ne

Going with Ben I think. Not to interested in playing Chad v NE



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EDIT: Roethlisberger still might not play. Pennington might be better, might not, but isn't likely to be a big dropoff from Big Ben, who doesn't put up huge fantasy numbers. Ben doesn't have enough upside to risk him not going. Pennington is the safe play and the proper choice here.

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RB
Westbrook - PHI v nyg
Droughns - cle @ CIN
Jordon - oak @ BAL
S. Davis - stl @ SF


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Westbrook, then Droughns, then Jordan. Stephen Davis never touched the ball in Week 1, and unless I missed an injury report or something, there's no reason to think he'll touch it more than a few times in week 2. Droughns and Jordan are feature backs. I don't care how bad their lines are; they are better starts than Davis.

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WR
Muhammad - CHI v det
Stokley - IND v hou
Jenkins - ATL v tb
Sa. Moss - was @ DAL
Jackson - SEA v ari
Cotchery - NYJ v ne


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Muhammad, Moss, and Jackson are the three you should be considering. I probably start Jackson and Moss because it's only week 2 and I'm not ready to write off those guys yet.

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TB let me down so I dropped them like a rock and picked up St. Louis since they play SF this week.


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Not to be a complete broken record, but this is why I keep saying over and over that you shouldn't draft defense til the end of the draft. You'd have been a lot better off grabbing an RB with upside than Tampa's D/ST in the tenth round.

-McGee

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QB-Peyton
RB1-Gore vs STL
RB2-Cadillac vs ATL or T. Jones vs Det or T. Bell vs KC or R. Droughns vs Cin or A. Green vs NO

I'm leaning towards Cadillac, but they all seem like atleast decent matchups.

WR1-Stallworth vs Giants
WR2-Bennett vs SD (not so sure about this)
WR3-Walker vs KC or Roy W vs Chi (eh, yuck) or E. Moulds vs Indy (not great either although he is big and can abuse Colts smaller DBS)

TE-Gates
K-Gould
Def-Chicago

Eventually I will need to pick up scraps for off weeks but Brees is currently available.

Should I be dropping 1 of my many RBs for depth elsewhere?

Bruce, Rhodes, Addai (I don't know why people are so quick to drop either of the Indy backs), Brees, Taylor (Fred, I dropped, would you guys prefer him over Green, both are injury prone), Carr, Frye, B. Johnson Grossman and WIlliamson are available on the waiver.

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I think Caddy will be fine vs. Atl. Falcons run D is not good.

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They weren't good last year. The shut down Carolina's offense and held Foster to 54 yards. Plus Caddy has back spasm issues that need to be watched leading up to kickoff.

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QB-Peyton
RB1-Gore vs STL
RB2-Cadillac vs ATL or T. Jones vs Det or T. Bell vs KC or R. Droughns vs Cin or A. Green vs NO

I'm leaning towards Cadillac, but they all seem like atleast decent matchups.

WR1-Stallworth vs Giants
WR2-Bennett vs SD (not so sure about this)
WR3-Walker vs KC or Roy W vs Chi (eh, yuck) or E. Moulds vs Indy (not great either although he is big and can abuse Colts smaller DBS)

TE-Gates
K-Gould
Def-Chicago

Eventually I will need to pick up scraps for off weeks but Brees is currently available.

Should I be dropping 1 of my many RBs for depth elsewhere?

Bruce, Rhodes, Addai (I don't know why people are so quick to drop either of the Indy backs), Brees, Taylor (Fred, I dropped, would you guys prefer him over Green, both are injury prone), Carr, Frye, B. Johnson Grossman and WIlliamson are available on the waiver.

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What type of league is this when those are your RBs and those other RBs are on the wire???? I can't really give much advice because I can't comprehend these players all being on the wire.

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It's a 10 person league (20 dollar buyin). There are definitely some idiots in our league. They are very fickle when it comes to players.

For instance in the last week Reuben was dropped? Rhodes dropped for Closton, Addai dropped for Detroit D. Brees dropped for Gabriel. People are pretty crazy.

Let's also say someone took WRs with their first two picks.

Personally I still don't like my RBS that much. This draft was also done about 3 and a half weeks before the season because it was live and someone was going back to school (not ideal I know). I also had Dominque Davis who got hurt.

I drafted Gore in a late round (before the Barlow deal). Droughns was picked up due to one of hte idiots.

Another thing is (I learned my lesson last year) is some people for some reason or another have more than 1 TE, or more than 1 D which makes no sense to me. This is definitely a +EV league for me.

Last year I drafted Holmes (blah) in the first round but got Edge on the way back (rediculous). Then I got Chad Johnson, Marvin and Plaxico. When it was announced Boldin was going to be out for a while, he was dropped and I eventually scooped him up on news that the injury wasn't as serious. But I eventually got screwed by Indy sitting their stars and not having enough RBs on the bench that I whored out my draft to RBs and WRs and kept all other positions to the minimum while other players have up to 3 QBS (stupid) and more than 1 TE. I went solely after RBs in the latter rounds and scooped up every decent back.

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so I have two decisions to make which fall under - good problems to have - but i'm still curious. your thoughts appreciated.

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Oakland is terrible and their D is better than San Diego in my opinion. They have 3 incredible DBs (Rolle, McAlister and Reed) on top of a pretty damn good front 7 (Ngata, Lewis, Suggs, etc) while Minnesota is at home and should be much better than Oakland.

Holt has to play against the 9ers and I'm a 9er fan.

Chad Johnson vs Cleveland or Driver vs NO. I'd go with CJ only because he is always a TD threat, the Cleveland D is decent but not that good although in the latter game last year he didn't play all that well (2 catches for 22 yards) but in the home game he had 9 catches for 91 and a 10 yard run.