how to play LA maniac lucky idiot?
 

how do you play against a loose aggressive maniac idiot who's very lucky? i'm at a table with a guy who plays 85% of his hands, raises and reraises with crap like 72o...and he makes sets on the river with the weakest of hands, and flush after flush.

do you walk away or just play really tight until his luck runs out? i mean, he's got money and he's willing to throw it away, but you can't read this guy at all...how do you read a hand on a guy who reraises with 72 offsuit and NOTHING - not even a bottom pair - at the turn??? i want to be there when his luck turns, but i don't want to get killed in the process...

if you flop a good hand, like TPTK, do you just call him and assume he's playing crap again?

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do you walk away or just play really tight until his luck runs out?

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None of the above. If he's playing very loose, your should be reraising and trying to isolate with any decent hand. If possible, get the seat jsut to his left. If he's causing the whole table to tilt, and you can't isolate, then you need to play tight. Walk away only if you hate money. Yes, while he's running good, you may lose some money. That's variance. That's why you need a bankroll. You don't need to read a player like this. Just make sure your playing better cards than he is and let probability work for you. Yes, sometimes he's going to get lucky and actually have good cards, or catch good, but if you keep getting the money in with the best of it, you will make money from a player like this.

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i kept playing my good cards and went from my worst session ever to my best session ever, all courtesy of this lunatic. too bad he left...

kinda' scary to keep re-raising but i'll keep that in mind next time i run across someone like this...in re-playing my hands against him i can definitely see where i should have re-raised...i was just spooked by his earlier lucky streak; i was happy to raise and call a re-raise, but a little too spooked to reraise...

i'm learning...

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You can't beat a lucky idiot. That's what "lucky" stands for after all.

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if you have TPTK, you play the value of your hand. 3-bet the flop, bet the turn and if he raises you on the turn, you go into check/call mode.

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Hi everyone,

I want to say something here. First, let’s stop calling super aggressive players "lunatics" and "lucky idiots". I too like to play super aggressive and constantly attack early position players and weakness. I don't care what I am holding, I play players and their fears and not my cards. It is actually a very hard game to play, and you have to be able to smell danger and let go, but other than that, if you can get good at this game, you will find yourself sitting at 5-7 times your starting stack (eg. if you playing $100NL, you'd be sitting at $500-$700 at the end of your session). The beauty about being aggressive is when I make an all-in bet with a lock hand on the river - I get action from all those that are out there to get me and sitting there and thinking "dam this dude, he is breaking the law of playing too many hands - I am gonna take his stack", but guess what?? He starts to challenge me every time I raise, and I fold, and call, and reraise, but then magic happens and "kachunk" - he got stacked. That's what I wanted him to do - to start challenging me. I can’t believe people, they will sit there and hold two pair or a TPTK and call an all-in bet on the river thinking that they are invincible. Sure, I loose small pots here and there, but all this time I am taking notes of those bad calls they are making, and then when it matters – I make my bets larger and return all my investments.

One thing I don’t like about tight players is that you can read them like a book. Here is an example...
I hold 72 off, everyone folds to me on the button, I raise 3 times BB, get re-raised by the BB 2.5 times, I call and the flop comes 2 3 7. The BB comes out firing with a slight overbet. What does this tell me??? From the preflop action and now, I know what he is holding – TT, JJ, QQ, KK, or AA, however, his most likely holding is QQ-AA. I know that so far I have him beat, BUT, there are two more cards to come and my two pair can get counterfeited, so, I just call instead of reraising and letting the possible unfortunate turn or river to screw me. The Turn comes 8, and the BB comes firing with a slight overbet again. I call and the river is a 10. The BB checks and I go all-in. I get called and paid off. And then I get to hear – “you are a lucky idiot” how do you play that crap, you are a looser, and ETC.

Has anyone learned a lesson here???

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One thing I don’t like about tight players is that you can read them like a book. Here is an example...
I hold 72 off, everyone folds to me on the button, I raise 3 times BB, get re-raised by the BB 2.5 times, I call and the flop comes 2 3 7. The BB comes out firing with a slight overbet. What does this tell me??? From the preflop action and now, I know what he is holding – TT, JJ, QQ, KK, or AA, however, his most likely holding is QQ-AA. I know that so far I have him beat, BUT, there are two more cards to come and my two pair can get counterfeited, so, I just call instead of reraising and letting the possible unfortunate turn or river to screw me. The Turn comes 8, and the BB comes firing with a slight overbet again. I call and the river is a 10. The BB checks and I go all-in. I get called and paid off. And then I get to hear – “you are a lucky idiot” how do you play that crap, you are a looser, and ETC.

Has anyone learned a lesson here???


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That when you flop well, you're the best on the table?

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To call a preflop reraise with 72off from a tight player when you know he has a high pair?

Sounds like a winning strategy.

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Yeah, because of the position and high implied odds. If you are not willing to risk some money to get paid off, then you are just playing a cards contest. Waaay tooo many players are not able to let go of AA or KK. The board can have a pair, a straight possibility, a flush, and you can bet to represent either hand but will still get called, therefore, when you make a hand that is a better than your opponents pocket pair, you have to bet BIG. To take their money, because they think that AA is unbeatable. Let me aks you a question...

If you are playing a game $200NL, where everyone is sitting there with big stacks and you are on the button with AA, and 4 players went ALL-IN before you and 2 players are left to act - are you going to call???

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preflop?

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Hi everyone,

I want to say something here. First, let’s stop calling super aggressive players "lunatics" and "lucky idiots". I too like to play super aggressive and constantly attack early position players and weakness. I don't care what I am holding, I play players and their fears and not my cards. It is actually a very hard game to play, and you have to be able to smell danger and let go, but other than that, if you can get good at this game, you will find yourself sitting at 5-7 times your starting stack (eg. if you playing $100NL, you'd be sitting at $500-$700 at the end of your session). The beauty about being aggressive is when I make an all-in bet with a lock hand on the river - I get action from all those that are out there to get me and sitting there and thinking "dam this dude, he is breaking the law of playing too many hands - I am gonna take his stack", but guess what?? He starts to challenge me every time I raise, and I fold, and call, and reraise, but then magic happens and "kachunk" - he got stacked. That's what I wanted him to do - to start challenging me. I can’t believe people, they will sit there and hold two pair or a TPTK and call an all-in bet on the river thinking that they are invincible. Sure, I loose small pots here and there, but all this time I am taking notes of those bad calls they are making, and then when it matters – I make my bets larger and return all my investments.

One thing I don’t like about tight players is that you can read them like a book. Here is an example...
I hold 72 off, everyone folds to me on the button, I raise 3 times BB, get re-raised by the BB 2.5 times, I call and the flop comes 2 3 7. The BB comes out firing with a slight overbet. What does this tell me??? From the preflop action and now, I know what he is holding – TT, JJ, QQ, KK, or AA, however, his most likely holding is QQ-AA. I know that so far I have him beat, BUT, there are two more cards to come and my two pair can get counterfeited, so, I just call instead of reraising and letting the possible unfortunate turn or river to screw me. The Turn comes 8, and the BB comes firing with a slight overbet again. I call and the river is a 10. The BB checks and I go all-in. I get called and paid off. And then I get to hear – “you are a lucky idiot” how do you play that crap, you are a looser, and ETC.

Has anyone learned a lesson here???

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Yeah, because of the position and high implied odds. If you are not willing to risk some money to get paid off, then you are just playing a cards contest. Waaay tooo many players are not able to let go of AA or KK. The board can have a pair, a straight possibility, a flush, and you can bet to represent either hand but will still get called, therefore, when you make a hand that is a better than your opponents pocket pair, you have to bet BIG. To take their money, because they think that AA is unbeatable. Let me aks you a question...

If you are playing a game $200NL, where everyone is sitting there with big stacks and you are on the button with AA, and 4 players went ALL-IN before you and 2 players are left to act - are you going to call???

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ok, these posts either are decent jokes, or 2 of the worst posts of all time. im going to respond as though they are serious.

first of all, its fairly clear the OP is talking about limit holdem and not no-limit. in limit holdem if you are constantly raising limpers with 72o, and putting in tons of bets on the turn with bottom pair, you are going to lose.

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One thing I don’t like about tight players is that you can read them like a book.

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many times in poker you must abandon deception in order to play a more optimal strategy. are you saying that it is always correct to just call with pairs, reraise with junk etc just to disguise your preflop hand? why play tricky in a 100 nl game when its likely no one can read hands for crap anyways?

and the AA question- i dont have any idea wtf you are talking about. this is a cash game, there would be no reason not to call

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As i understood he was talking about NL. or do you mean the OP? Cause i believe the OP may have been talking limit.

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i was talking limit hold 'em...

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Hi everyone,

I want to say something here. First, let’s stop calling super aggressive players "lunatics" and "lucky idiots". I too like to play super aggressive and constantly attack early position players and weakness. I don't care what I am holding, I play players and their fears and not my cards. It is actually a very hard game to play, and you have to be able to smell danger and let go, but other than that, if you can get good at this game, you will find yourself sitting at 5-7 times your starting stack (eg. if you playing $100NL, you'd be sitting at $500-$700 at the end of your session). The beauty about being aggressive is when I make an all-in bet with a lock hand on the river - I get action from all those that are out there to get me and sitting there and thinking "dam this dude, he is breaking the law of playing too many hands - I am gonna take his stack", but guess what?? He starts to challenge me every time I raise, and I fold, and call, and reraise, but then magic happens and "kachunk" - he got stacked. That's what I wanted him to do - to start challenging me. I can’t believe people, they will sit there and hold two pair or a TPTK and call an all-in bet on the river thinking that they are invincible. Sure, I loose small pots here and there, but all this time I am taking notes of those bad calls they are making, and then when it matters – I make my bets larger and return all my investments.

One thing I don’t like about tight players is that you can read them like a book. Here is an example...
I hold 72 off, everyone folds to me on the button, I raise 3 times BB, get re-raised by the BB 2.5 times, I call and the flop comes 2 3 7. The BB comes out firing with a slight overbet. What does this tell me??? From the preflop action and now, I know what he is holding – TT, JJ, QQ, KK, or AA, however, his most likely holding is QQ-AA. I know that so far I have him beat, BUT, there are two more cards to come and my two pair can get counterfeited, so, I just call instead of reraising and letting the possible unfortunate turn or river to screw me. The Turn comes 8, and the BB comes firing with a slight overbet again. I call and the river is a 10. The BB checks and I go all-in. I get called and paid off. And then I get to hear – “you are a lucky idiot” how do you play that crap, you are a looser, and ETC.

Has anyone learned a lesson here???

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LOLLOL0OLOLOLO90LOLLOOLOLOLOLOLOLOL

you are 50 to 1 to flop 2 pair that is about all I will say.

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First of all, I was talking about NL Holdem. Second, I did not say that I was calling raises from early position with 72off. I said that I attack early position players if I have position on them. And if I am reraised, and depends on the amount of the reraise, I'll call and see the flop. If the opponent makes a small reraise then I have no problem calling. But, if the reraise is significant, then I'll just let go - I am not an idiot (eg. In ½ game, I raise to 5 and get reraised to 20, then I’ll let go, but if a reraise is small like 5-7 more, then we’ll play).

Second, if you answered YES to my question about calling an ALL-IN bet with AA with 4 players ALL-IN and 2 players left to act, then you are not very bright.

And third, like I said, playing super-aggressive is a VERY hard game. You have to be able to smell the danger and let go of your cards. But let me tell you, the control you get over people is very rewarding. You put players on tilt, you make them loose, you make them make mistakes, you make them challenge you at wrong times, you always keep them guessing, and you always put them to a decision. And the best part is that you get paid off when you have the lock hand.

I’ve been playing poker for over 5 years now, and out of all styles that are there I prefer Super Aggressive.

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To call a preflop reraise with 72off from a tight player when you know he has a high pair?

Sounds like a winning strategy.

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LOL, sure to make every a lot of $$$. +EV for sure

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I totally hear you Victor. I too get called a donkey, lucky, fish, etc... but when things are all said and done I come out ahead far more than I come out behind. By having a loose/aggressive table image you face difficult decisions more often, have bigger swings in your stack, are trapped and check-raised more frequently, and get called a variety of names but there is a BIG difference between having a maniac image and being a maniac. For those of you playing against player like me I recommend you cut back on the insults and try to understand the plays I make. If you can get past the image I am sending out you might just see some genius behind the plays. Now that being said, some players just see Gus and Phil on TV and are truly fish. The trick is to determine the difference and play them accordingly.

www.louisvilleKYpoker.com

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Ditto, I played five hours Saturday night, had a pair of Aces thrown at me, and a second player couldn't get over I reraised with a little pair and made him fold his pair of Kings from what would have been a set of kings on the flop.

When it gets like that my raise preflop is often enough to take the pot on the flop.

I left with some of their chips, the rake took more of their chips, and they were still fighting it out with AK vs AQ vs JJ rounds paying off the rake and hoping for big hands.

It is a very hard style of play, but it works and there is little players can do to defeat it individually.

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Has anyone learned a lesson here???

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Uhhh... Hmmmm... That position and good post flop play tend to nullify good preflop starting hand selection?

Especially when the flop hits you like a ton of bricks and the other players really suck at post flop play?

Thanks for the "lesson".

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That was not the lesson here. The "lesson" is that playing against a LAG is difficult, because you (as a tight player) can't put him on a hand. What I was trying to say is that when I get a lock hand, I can go balistic and will have customers.

So, if you are playing a tight game, and you play premium hands only, you MUST have discipline to fold if you are facing large action from LAG player. I too when holding AA or KK, know when to let go of those cards. But the problem is that too many players fall so much in love with those hands and can't let go. If you don't have the discipline to let go when the flop is not favorible, then you must either keep the pot small, or fold if the action heats up. ALWAYS, respect the position - for example, say you are in SB and got dealt AA, KK, or QQ, and the LAG in late position raises it 3 or 4 times the BB. DO NOT smooth call and DO NOT raise little!! You MUST reraise ALOT!! If you don't follow this then here is a great example of what happens...

I was on the button with 76 suited and raised 4 times BB. Small blind reraised 3 times my amount. I called and the flop was 786. The small blind went all-in for his huge stack. It was an easy call for me. The rest was history. What was his HUGE error??? First of all, he thought that he had God's gift in his hand and without getting proper information (due to a positional disadvantage) he put all of his money in the pot.

So, to answer the question about how to play against LAG players if you are playing a very tight game, especially out of position, you MUST reraise a HUGE amount if you are playing AA or KK, or, play extremely cautiously with other holdings.

Now, if your reraise chases everyone away, then you stand to win a little, but at least not to loose your stack to an unexpected hand. With premium hands, you want to be against pocket pairs that are below your pair, or against hands that your pair dominates (EG. AA vs AK or KK). I think that a proper play with AA these days is either to go all-in to see if anyone will call with hands like KK, QQ, JJ, TT, or AK, or, limp in to see the flop to make a set or other lock hand, otherwise check/call/fold. If you don't have this discipline, then you will continue to get sucked out on. That's why this game is HOLDEM/FOLDEM.

I wanted to add something here, so, lets say you are playing super tight (by this I mean you play high pocket pairs only - AA $ KK) if there is a raise before you, then you must reraise for a third or fourth of your opponents stack EG. in $100NL with blinds .5/1, and LAG raised to 4, then you raise 20 or 30 more to 24 or 34. Now, a smart LAG will most likely fold, but the maniac will probably reraise - and this is exactly what you want. Poker is about inducing mistakes. There are just too many donks that play online and these are the players that you want to take the money from. There will be times that the maniacs will get lucky, but as long as you know that he made a mistake by calling your huge bets with the worst, then you are ahead of the game. Just don't play the limits that are over your head. If a buy in of $100 is alot for you, then move down to very low stakes and move your way up gradually. So, that if you made a maniac to put all his money in pre-flop with a marginal hand against your AA or KK and you got sucked out on, that loss of a buy in should not be significant to you, because you played it correctly. Remember, you must put them to a decision.

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I was on the button with 76 suited and raised 4 times BB. Small blind reraised 3 times my amount. I called and the flop was 786. The small blind went all-in for his huge stack. It was an easy call for me. The rest was history.

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SB with T9s, raising to isolate, sends you home?

Oh, no, wait. Playing against people unable to lay down the big pocket pair keeps you profitable.

Again, from your example,
position + flop hitting you like a ton of bricks > preflop starting hand selection . Plus throw in bad post flop play from others.

WOW, what a concept. TPGK reduced in value against a play any two maniac.

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That is not how I play, I was recommending how to play against maniacs. You could be sitting there with TPTK thinking that you are owning the world, but the opposition will be sitting there with 42off and actually owning you. How did that opposition sneak in the pot with a holding like that???? Because that if you hold AKs and see a raise before you, you either call or raise a little, and then when on the turn and the board A422 faced with an all-in bet what do you do??? So, you see, how hard it is to read aggressive players?

Remember, when you play super tight, your stack builds slowly, but leaves you FAST. LAGs don't mind loosing few small pots here and there, but when they get you - it is usually for your entire stack. That's why I was saying, that you must try to keep the pot small if all you have is a pair post flop and you did not raise HUGE, and bet small post flop and get a feel for what could your opponent is holding. Don't come out firing huge bets as they could be owning you and you will either win a little or loose alot.

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why would you ever fold AA preflop in a cash game?? please explain

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A lot of LAG players are some of the most straight forward to read. The trick is to pay attention to every pot they are in and notice the differences between when they are betting to steal and when they are betting for value. I see so many LAG players get called when they go all in and have the nuts. Also, bluff trapping can work against some of these guys if you know how to pull it off.

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you will find yourself sitting at 5-7 times your starting stack (eg. if you playing $100NL, you'd be sitting at $500-$700 at the end of your session).

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I can see your logic here but the rest I don't get.

But seriously, how do you avoid hitting a hand actually good enough to get all in with (eg. 72o on a 732 flop) against an even bigger hand (eg. 33 on a 732 flop) and getting stacked yourself?

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By making a good read. e.g. Would opponent reraise preflop from small blind with 33? Perhaps, if he was a tricky player who thought you were blind stealing. But if he's a straightforward player, then you can pretty much elimiate that hand, and know you're good. Even with the tricky player, it'd be just unfortunate for you if he reraised with 33 and hit flop on your two pair.

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why would you ever fold AA preflop in a cash game?? please explain

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so victor.... you gonna answer my question or just call me stupid and leave it at that?

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why would you ever fold AA preflop in a cash game?? please explain

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so victor.... you gonna answer my question or just call me stupid and leave it at that?

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OK, the question was that you are on the button and 4 players went all-in before you and 2 players after you left to act ( lets assume that everyone is playing $100NL and everyone has that much going all-in). So, the first question is what are the odds of winning with AA against 4 other players and what are the pot odds?? The second question is, will this be a sound decision will that be a total gamble?? Third, why would you risk your whole stack in this situation?? Are you sure that you are going to win against 4 other players?? There are two more players left to act, what if they jump in the pot too??

So, therefore, calling this particular all-in bet would be totally wrong unless you actually want to gamble and don’t care about protection of your stack. There will be plenty of other opportunities for you to put your money in, but IMO, this particular one is not it.

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I never trust anyone that doesn't know the difference between
"loose" and "lose". Can you also use the phrase "putting your
opponent to a decision..." a few more times? Jamie Gold may
be even better than Moneymaker for us all.

-ZEN

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lol xVICTORx is awesome

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There are two more players left to act, what if they jump in the pot too??

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This convinces me the whole thing is a joke.

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It is not a joke - it is a hypothetical scenario to test your understanding of the game.

Do you call an all-in bet after 4 players went all-in and 2 players left to act?

There are 2 types of behaviors: consequential and nonconsequential.

The first one weighs all positive factors vs negative and then depends on what outweighs what it makes a decision based on that.

The second one believes in the rules and acts upon them regardless if it is right or wrong, because the rules are set to abide them.

Therefore, if you use the consequential behavior, you will make sound decisions, and if you think that just because you have the best starting hand you should go to a showdown with 4 other opponents for your whole stack because you have the best hand pre-flop, then you are applying nonconsequential behavior and, theoretically, bound to make errors, because you are not considering all other important factors that actually state that you may not have the best hand.

Here is an example:

I was sitting at a tournament (I was out of the hand) but here is what happened. It was late in the tourney, blinds were very high, UTG+1 limps in, UTG+3 calls, small blind completes the blind, and BB checks. Flop came Jd 9s 9d. Small blind checked, BB checked, UTG+1 went all-in, UTG+2 called, SB called, and BB called too. SB had 96, BB had 2 diamonds, UTG+1 had AA, UTG+3 had QQ. The turn was Js, and the river was Qd. Here every one made a hand, SB made 9's full of J's, BB made a flush, UTG+3 made the best hand Q's full of J's, but poor AA was left with just two pair.

So, why would you want to be against 4 other opponents with AA??

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In a cash game I would go all in every single time with AA preflop against 9 other players already all in. Hell, I would start asking if we could expand the table to 20 players. Yes, you have much less of a chance to win an individual pot vs playing HU, but cash poker is about winning the most money, not the most pots. Nothing short of a heart attack is ever going to make me fold AA preflop, and that would have to be fatal on the spot. I would play them in a bar, I would play them in a car, in a house, with a mouse.

The tournament issue is different, but as others have pointed out that is just poor playing in general preflop and postflop.

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why would you ever fold AA preflop in a cash game?? please explain

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so victor.... you gonna answer my question or just call me stupid and leave it at that?

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OK, the question was that you are on the button and 4 players went all-in before you and 2 players after you left to act ( lets assume that everyone is playing $100NL and everyone has that much going all-in). So, the first question is what are the odds of winning with AA against 4 other players and what are the pot odds?? The second question is, will this be a sound decision will that be a total gamble?? Third, why would you risk your whole stack in this situation?? Are you sure that you are going to win against 4 other players?? There are two more players left to act, what if they jump in the pot too??

So, therefore, calling this particular all-in bet would be totally wrong unless you actually want to gamble and don’t care about protection of your stack. There will be plenty of other opportunities for you to put your money in, but IMO, this particular one is not it.

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do you have any concept of EQUITY sir?? why would i need to protect my stack its a frigging cash game idiot.


but seriously, good joke

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It is not a joke - it is a hypothetical scenario to test your understanding of the game.

Do you call an all-in bet after 4 players went all-in and 2 players left to act?

There are 2 types of behaviors: consequential and nonconsequential.

The first one weighs all positive factors vs negative and then depends on what outweighs what it makes a decision based on that.

The second one believes in the rules and acts upon them regardless if it is right or wrong, because the rules are set to abide them.

Therefore, if you use the consequential behavior, you will make sound decisions, and if you think that just because you have the best starting hand you should go to a showdown with 4 other opponents for your whole stack because you have the best hand pre-flop, then you are applying nonconsequential behavior and, theoretically, bound to make errors, because you are not considering all other important factors that actually state that you may not have the best hand.

Here is an example:

I was sitting at a tournament (I was out of the hand) but here is what happened. It was late in the tourney, blinds were very high, UTG+1 limps in, UTG+3 calls, small blind completes the blind, and BB checks. Flop came Jd 9s 9d. Small blind checked, BB checked, UTG+1 went all-in, UTG+2 called, SB called, and BB called too. SB had 96, BB had 2 diamonds, UTG+1 had AA, UTG+3 had QQ. The turn was Js, and the river was Qd. Here every one made a hand, SB made 9's full of J's, BB made a flush, UTG+3 made the best hand Q's full of J's, but poor AA was left with just two pair.

So, why would you want to be against 4 other opponents with AA??

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this is not an example. you said going all in preflop, also in a cash game, not a tournament. this is either a joke, or you are a complete moron. either way you should be banned from posting this dangerous misinformation.

Re: how to play LA maniac lucky idiot?
 

The first thing you should do is quit connecting the results of hands together to create this false idea that he is in a state of being 'lucky.' He isn't. He may have a huge string of situations where he ended up winning as an underdog, but they aren't connected to eachother. He has just as much chance to be lucky or unlucky the very next hand after a stretch.

Play him for what he is. A loose-maniac. Play tight, punish him. Take your edges. That's all poker is.

Re: how to play LA maniac lucky idiot?
 

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There are 3 types of behaviors: consequential, nonconsequential, and forumtrolling.

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FYP.
And you sir, belong to the 3rd group.

Re: how to play LA maniac lucky idiot?
 

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Here is an example...
I hold 72 off, everyone folds to me on the button, I raise 3 times BB, get re-raised by the BB 2.5 times, I call and the flop comes KT4. The BB comes out firing with a slight overbet and I fold, wondering why the hell I put in 6 BB preflop with 72o. .

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This is a more realistic example of what will happen 90%+ of the time.

Re: how to play LA maniac lucky idiot?
 

You know, everyone has their own styles. What works for me - may not work for you.

First, I did not call any names on anyone, therefore, I expect to be treated the same way. If you have your thoughts about something, then express them in a nice way.

Second, when I play, after 2 or 3 hours of play, I usually sit at anywhere 4-7 times the buy in, and I do that consistently. I would not advocate my style if I was not successful at it.

Third, I don't play cards - I play players. I made players lay down trip T's with trip 8's.

Fourth, I play next to tight players who sit there and wait for best hands. Sure, I'll loose few small pots here and there, but then I'll take their entire stack.

Fifth, the skill of poker lies in putting your money with the best of it, inducing mistakes, and protecting your money. Going to a showdown with 4 other players with AA is a gamble - not a smart play. Holdem is seven card poker - not two cards.

Sixth, I play players just like you who sit there and think that they will punish me for breaking the law of playing too many hands, but most of them end up being punished themselves. Like I said, LAG style requires good skills and ability to smell the danger. Most of players can't do that and that is why they play tight-aggressive only.

Most of you never get any action because you are TOO easy to read. I however, get paid off on my hands when I put players all-in for lots of money.

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