A play that works 99%....if
 

You and one other opponent see the flop and your first to act and have the lead. You bet out (continuous bet) and you get called. The turn comes and you check, now if your opponent also checks then your set. The river comes and now you bet, 99% of the time your opponent will fold. Is there something about this or is just that the guy doesn't have anything? Or, looking at it from your opponents side does this play mean trickery/strength and will get them off a hand?

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umm wtf... at the limits I play this gets you a guaranteed call... flop bet looks like a continuation, turn you give him a free card to beat you, and then the river you bet out again with what looks like a bluff, and he calls with ace high or some garbage

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umm wtf... at the limits I play this gets you a guaranteed call... flop bet looks like a continuation, turn you give him a free card to beat you, and then the river you bet out again with what looks like a bluff, and he calls with ace high or some garbage

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Agreed. The only way I could see this working is if the board pairs on the river. Thats about the only time I'm folding here.

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Wow, I swear I have been in this situations so many times and is why I posted it. It has worked soo many times than not I can't even count it. Off hand the only thing I can think of is my opponent sees the check on the turn followed by a bet on the river like I was semi slow playing the hand and gets scared.

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The only play works 99% for me is Richard III. Other than that, it is easy to image many situations in which the river bet you place is called and even reraised. For example, a LAG who routinely makes continuation bets will often be played down this way by an opponent who flopped a monster.

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Wow, I swear I have been in this situations so many times and is why I posted it. It has worked soo many times than not I can't even count it. Off hand the only thing I can think of is my opponent sees the check on the turn followed by a bet on the river like I was semi slow playing the hand and gets scared.

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He probably called the flop to slow you down, got a free turn card and missed on the river is another way to look at it.

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If this really works 99% of the time, you should bet on the turn. If he folds, you have the same profit, without the risk of him hitting on the river. If he calls, you make an extra bet on all your good hands. When you have a bad hand, he's even more likely to fold on the river than if you checked on the turn.

When your opponents are too passive, punish them, don't just collect the easy money. But watch out when you run up against aggressive opponents.

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Now that is creative poker! Even if he hits a gutshot he folds cause you are so good? wtf, this is retarded

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Well, I don't know how often it works, but from the opponent's perspective it would seem you tried to set up a check raise that he didn't fall for. Then you hit on the end to try and get the money.

At least that's what I suspect the opponent's reasoning is.

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Bad players make bad moves at bad times. Just because somethign works due to opponent mistakes doesn't mean your maximizing what you could get from their mistakes. Follow?

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There is another way to look at this. Think about why someone would play this way up to the turn and then either call or raise your bet on the river.

1) A beginner who hit any part of the board may call the river bet.

2) A caling machine with a medium to strong hand will call the bet.

3) Someone slow playing will raise the river.

4) A very good player may see your move as an attempt to steal and go over the top.

5) A pro may call your bet to get information.

6) Your table image may make any perceptive player call.

There may be a few other cases, but I do think it is a profitable play if you use it conservatively. I think 99% is a bit optimistic at most tables, though.

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Anyone who this works on caught air on the flop and is drawing.
If thats the case your missing value on the turn.

If somone catches second pair on the flop, they will call you on the river, where firing a second barrel at the turn often gets them to fold.

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who's screening sign-ups for brains. They should be fired.

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Funny...this gets called for me 99% of the time...similar to betting the flop with a draw, then checking the turn to get a free card. When you check the turn, you are announcing to the world that you are drawing and only a clueless player would fold a pair if your line goes bet, check, bet.

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Let's make a prop bet. I'll do this. Every time my opponent folds I'll pay you $1, and every time he doesn't, you pay me $99.

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Settle down, it was just an observation I was sharing with you guys. Take it for whatever it's worth, nothing more, nothing less. That is great, you have your opinions on the situation wether it be stupid, funny, worth thinking about, etc. I say and ask unusual things being creative or just dumb as rocks but it costs nothing to ask.

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We are talking fixed limit holdem, right?

The point of betting river is not to make him fold and win the pot, it is to make him fold a better hand or call a worse. (read TOP) None of those things will happen very often if u got something little like a small pair or A-high.

Normally u should bet if u got a hopeless hand, bet if u got a good hand and checkcall if u got something little. But of course its player- and board-dependent.

Get the feeling u think u have found a nice theory to show the turncheck is a mastermove headsup. It normally isnt. When u move up in limits u will play more and more aggressive player and then your turncheck will give u problem on the turn, not give u a chance to bluff river.

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Odd, because I do this specifically to extract a river bet/call from more aggressive players. I'll have AJ or something similar and the flop will come A92 rainbow. Since he's aggressive, he's leading or check/raising if he caught anything. If he check/calls, I know he's peeling and will fold the turn.

So, I'll often check behind on a blank turn. At this point the aggressive player will frequently lead with total air or call with K-high or some smaller made pair.

It gives them a free card, but I typically only do it if my read says they have absolutely nothing. If he lead or raised me on the flop, I'm leading or raising the turn because he's going to showdown anyway.

When a bluff really isnt a bluff
 

Much of the time when you bet that river and he folds, you had the best hand anyway - even if it was just 1 overcard. Which means (as has already been said) why not bet the turn.

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Yes, I'm talking LHE and no higher than 5/10 stakes since I don't play much higher than that other than hit and runs.

Thanks