Prop bet: Bigger/stronger vs smaller/weaker guy w/wrestling training
 

Breakdown
Me:
age 24
5'10"
175 lbs
lift 2-3 x week, including squats and deads
cardio 2-3 x week

Pretty strong dude. Naturally athletic. Not pure muscle, but fairly solid build. No hand to hand, martial arts, or combat training at all

Him:
age 22
5'5"
150 lbs
Has very rarely worked out over the last 2 years.
Build is average. Not fat or grossly out of shape. But is soft and has some man boobs coming in. Naturally, he's fairly athletic.

**Wrestler all through High School. He wasn't all-state or anything like that, but he was very good and considered above average**

We've been discussing having a wrestling match prop bet. I know of a place at my old college where we'd be able to wrestle on some mats. I doubt we would do any kind of scoring. Probably whoever pins the other first. Is this a sucker bet? Body compared to body I obviously have the upper hand, but does his experience virtually guarantee a loss for me?

If we agree to have a match, anyone got tips for my best chance to win this match?

Should I get odds?

Re: Prop bet: Bigger/stronger vs smaller/weaker guy w/wrestling traini
 

Hit hard and hit first or you lose

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Because of your strength advantage I dont think he is likely to pin you, and because you don't know any techniques i think you are unlikely to pin him..

try looking up double/single leg takedowns and half nelson.

I think you will be able to outlast him if you are defensive and let him wear out trying to move you.

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Breakdown
5'10"
175 lbs
lift 2-3 x week, including squats and deads
cardio 2-3 x week

Pretty strong dude.

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Dude you must be ripped.

Wrestler owns you quick and it's not even close. Get good odds.

J

Re: Prop bet: Bigger/stronger vs smaller/weaker guy w/wrestling traini
 

If you don't have any wresting ability, you stand little chance. You should ask for huge odds.

Re: Prop bet: Bigger/stronger vs smaller/weaker guy w/wrestling traini
 

The wrestler will pwn you in under a minute. Get massive odds

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If he's worth anything in wrestling, he'll probably dominate you.

meh. Best advice I can give is to use your weight to your advantage.

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me, so. yr highschool:

6 ft
175
6% bf
bench press 325
squat 550? or so, i think maybe more.

him,
3 time defending state champ


me, pinned in under 15 sec.

get some serious odds.

Re: Prop bet: Bigger/stronger vs smaller/weaker guy w/wrestling traini
 

Wrestling takes some skill...and you ain't got none.

Re: Prop bet: Bigger/stronger vs smaller/weaker guy w/wrestling traini
 

js,

Did he squat to depth?

J

Re: Prop bet: Bigger/stronger vs smaller/weaker guy w/wrestling traini
 

your screwed buddy. demand at least 20:1.

Re: Prop bet: Bigger/stronger vs smaller/weaker guy w/wrestling traini
 

This guy is going to house you

NT

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The 25lb weight difference will be marginal help at best. A good wrestler will not let you get on him. Plus a good wrestler will know how to use his weight so he feels far heavier than his 150lbs.

This is a sport of all technique. I would wrestle above my weight class all of the time and it would change very little.

Your best bet is to get lucky with a headlock or something. Unless you have weeks of training you are not going to be able to really do crap. I would suggest learning one throw (headlock is probably the easiest), sprawling/cross face, and one pinning combination and just hope you can pull that off.

Most likely you will be flopping like a fish though.

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me, so. yr highschool:

6 ft
175
6% bf
bench press 325
squat 550? or so, i think maybe more.

him,
3 time defending state champ


me, pinned in under 15 sec.

get some serious odds.

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This is fairly pathetic on your part. You should have been able to flounder for more than 15 secs.

Did he throw you or just take you down and put you right on your back? Did you give up your back instantly?

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You will get rocked. I used to watch my 150 lbs. friend who wrestled in high school take down my 200 lbs. friend over and over and over. Small Asian guy vs big white guy. White guy was a very strong swimmer, soccer player, and crew rower. Trust me, you won't stand a chance.

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If you've never wrestled your done. D O N E done. I was a below average wrestler in high school, never worked out in college and 3 years out of high school i (5'10 180) was able to beat guys in my fraternity sig bigger than me. The biggest was a 6'7" 230lb basketball player who was in good shape and fairly atheletic. Any bigger and i lost but i could put up a fight, anyone smaller who had no experience i worked pretty easily.

Re: Prop bet: Bigger/stronger vs smaller/weaker guy w/wrestling traini
 

you are going to get owned.

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In high school, I was fat but surprisingly athletic. 5'7", 214 lbs. No wrestling training, but I could beat all the other fat kids in gym class.

A kid in my history class was the State Champ at 114 lbs.

We were each convinced that we could easily beat the other. Never found out.

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tl:dr: Don't take the bet

Let me add to my previous post. I was a defending state champion at 145#s. At the start of my senior year we got a new assistant wrestling coach.

The year before he had finished 5th in the NCAA (division 1 - all-american) He weighed roughly 135#s.

We had a thing we did in practice where everybody on the team lined up in order of weight and the smallest 2 guys started wrestling, with the winner wrestling the next biggest guy. He jumped in at his actual weight and crushed everybody on the team.

This included about 6 state champions and runners-up (including me) who were 10-50#s heavier than him. We had no chance.

The kicker was when he threw our heavyweight (future starter on the University of Alabama D-line 300# plus - Go Hoover, see Two-A-Days thread) on his ass.

You need to get at least 30-1

Re: Prop bet: Bigger/stronger vs smaller/weaker guy w/wrestling training
 

U have no chance.

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Re: Prop bet: Bigger/stronger vs smaller/weaker guy w/wrestling traini
 

to answer the above questions:

i would squat to just past 90 degrees, not sure what to depth is.

i tried to overpower the guy and just got owned. skill and the knowledge of how to use leverage will kill you. doesnt really matter how much more you weigh. check out some sumo wrestling, the fattest guy doesnt always win.

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i tried to overpower the guy and just got owned. skill and the knowledge of how to use leverage will kill you. doesnt really matter how much more you weigh. check out some sumo wrestling, the fattest guy doesnt always win.

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Steven J. Levitt proved in Freakonomics that sumo wrestling is rigged.

Re: Prop bet: Bigger/stronger vs smaller/weaker guy w/wrestling traini
 

If he was considered above average, you probably don't stand much of a chance. You don't have enough weight on him to give you any considerable edge.

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i've never had much upper body strength but when i wrestled in high school i routinely beat guys who were much stronger than me who obviously also knew how to wrestle. technique/stamina can make up for a lot.

so basically you are gonna get murdered, and have literally zero chance to win, and i want to bet on your friend

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U,

Push the bet off as long as you can and get a wrestling coach.

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You're gonna get your ass whooped, unless you're like on-steroids strong.

We had a guy in highschool come in half season that was ridiculously strong (and possibly on 'roids) and his technique disadvantage was HUGE. He weighed 230 pounds at 5'11 or so, and didn't cut so he competed heavyweight. He was a senior. Our heavyweight was a big fat 265 pound freshman. In the wrestle-off, the freshman won.

That said, after a couple weeks of hard work the guy got a lot better. Because he was a senior he got the spot on the varsity team, and as far as I remember, didn't do so bad. So if you must do this bet, I suggest finding a coach.

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You will get owned. But I think with 3 weeks of training you should stand a decent chance if you have 30 pounds on him and more muscle.

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your only chance is to distract the referee and have your evil tag team partner hit the wrestler over the head with a steel chair. for good measure, I would then eat the turnbuckle.

(I wrestled for 2 years, and I got supremely owned by guys who knew what they were doing. You have no chance. If I were you, I would figure out what is illegal in actual wrestling, and try do those things in an attempt to fluster/confuse your opponent. But this probably won't work, and may not be allowed per your prop bet. Either way, please tape this and host on youtube, will be funny to watch)

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Damn, I wrestled in high school (nothing special, 2x state qualifier in MI) and opened this thread expecting everyone hating on the wrestlers. Needless to say i'm pleasantly surprised to see OOT is right on.

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Saw this last year.

Big Guy:
5'10"
190-200 lbs (lifts everyday, plays rugby everyday)
Grew up getting into street fights, owned a lot of people


Little Guy:
5'6"
130-140 lbs
On the University's wrestling team

Both are pretty drunk at the time, I'd say Little Guy is more drunk. Big Guy taken down in less than 10 seconds, and within two minutes he was choked out.

Re: Prop bet: Bigger/stronger vs smaller/weaker guy w/wrestling training
 

Ok, so the overwhelming majority of people say this should be an easy win for me due to my size and strength advantage. Thanks! That's the information I was looking for. I'll go ahead and set up the match.

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Ok, so the overwhelming majority of people say this should be an easy win for me due to my size and strength advantage. Thanks! That's the information I was looking for. I'll go ahead and set up the match.

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You should ask for 30 to 1 odds. I would still back your friend. Another thing you should know about wrestlers: every wrestler I have known has never lost a fight. This is because on the whole they are nasty little bastards who never really accepted the notion of rules on the mat but had to live with it. You have absolutely no chance but you should ask for the 30-1 just to give yourself a goal.

natedogg

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I actually disagree with a lot of what has been said. I wrestled for one year in HS. I wasn't an all star or anything mostly because I didn't really take it seriously(only did it to get in shape, not so much for the competitive aspect). There were 2 or 3 very skilled guys who had wrestled for a long time. However with everyone else, it pretty much came down to strength and athleticism imo. A lot of wrestling basics are intuitive and natural...stuff like keeping a low center of gravity and leverage. While some advanced moves take a long time to master, I don't think that the basics of wrestling are that hard to comprehend even in your very first match. I think that if you are stronger and quicker and wrestle somewhat conservatively(i.e. don't rush in and be willing to take your time in a long match) then you stand a decent shot.

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I actually disagree with a lot of what has been said. I wrestled for one year in HS. I wasn't an all star or anything mostly because I didn't really take it seriously(only did it to get in shape, not so much for the competitive aspect). There were 2 or 3 very skilled guys who had wrestled for a long time. However with everyone else, it pretty much came down to strength and athleticism imo. A lot of wrestling basics are intuitive and natural...stuff like keeping a low center of gravity and leverage. While some advanced moves take a long time to master, I don't think that the basics of wrestling are that hard to comprehend even in your very first match. I think that if you are stronger and quicker and wrestle somewhat conservatively(i.e. don't rush in and be willing to take your time in a long match) then you stand a decent shot.

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His friend wrestled "all through high school" and while not a state champ was "better than average". He has no chance.

natedogg

Re: Prop bet: Bigger/stronger vs smaller/weaker guy w/wrestling traini
 

Get Paul Heyman to order the match to be contested under EXTREME RULEZ or you have no chance.

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if you do the match you should wear a shirt that says "Drink, Fight, F*ck".

Ask Boris to borrow his if you have to.

natedogg

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I actually disagree with a lot of what has been said. I wrestled for one year in HS. I wasn't an all star or anything mostly because I didn't really take it seriously(only did it to get in shape, not so much for the competitive aspect). There were 2 or 3 very skilled guys who had wrestled for a long time. However with everyone else, it pretty much came down to strength and athleticism imo. A lot of wrestling basics are intuitive and natural...stuff like keeping a low center of gravity and leverage. While some advanced moves take a long time to master, I don't think that the basics of wrestling are that hard to comprehend even in your very first match. I think that if you are stronger and quicker and wrestle somewhat conservatively(i.e. don't rush in and be willing to take your time in a long match) then you stand a decent shot.

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this is very wrong

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I actually disagree with a lot of what has been said. I wrestled for one year in HS. I wasn't an all star or anything mostly because I didn't really take it seriously(only did it to get in shape, not so much for the competitive aspect). There were 2 or 3 very skilled guys who had wrestled for a long time. However with everyone else, it pretty much came down to strength and athleticism imo. A lot of wrestling basics are intuitive and natural...stuff like keeping a low center of gravity and leverage. While some advanced moves take a long time to master, I don't think that the basics of wrestling are that hard to comprehend even in your very first match. I think that if you are stronger and quicker and wrestle somewhat conservatively(i.e. don't rush in and be willing to take your time in a long match) then you stand a decent shot.

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I bet if it was a 100-man onslaught, you would think differently.

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me, so. yr highschool:

6 ft
175
6% bf
bench press 325
squat 550? or so, i think maybe more.

him,
3 time defending state champ


me, pinned in under 15 sec.

get some serious odds.

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Jschnaud,

What were the stats of your opponent?


Unorginalname,

The things that nobody commented on are these: Can you actually fight at all? Is this going to be a wrestling match, or a fight? If it's a fight, and you can throw a punch, that is, ACTUALLY throw a good punch, you have a decent chance.

Edited to add: OOPS. Missed the part about "wrestling prop bet" Yes, you have no chance. Bet on an actual fight, which would give you a chance and, IMO, be more interesting.