WPEX ; rock garden?
 

So im getting a bit tired of feeding Party (3k winnings, 6k rake, 1.3k badbeat drop for August)... but im a bit reluctant to try my luck at WPEX w/o Pokertracker/PAHUD/SS/etc. How are the games, will there be software support for WPEX soon?

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this question has no real answer. Tons of people will tell you its a giant rock garden, most of them dont even play there and just assume because a bunch of 2+2 fish play there, it has to be super hard. Some 2+2 fish will tell you its a rock garden and hard just because they suck at poker. Others will tell you the games are soft, but they cant be believed either because they just want the site to get big so they will tell anyone what they want to hear just for advertising sake.

Like most things in life, the truth is often somewhere in the middle, and you wont ever really know whats what until you try it for yourself.

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Basically it's a rock garden playing any respectable limits. You will need your rake back.

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I must play too low.

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Is it datamine'able?

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No

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this question has no real answer. Tons of people will tell you its a giant rock garden, most of them dont even play there and just assume because a bunch of 2+2 fish play there, it has to be super hard. Some 2+2 fish will tell you its a rock garden and hard just because they suck at poker. Others will tell you the games are soft, but they cant be believed either because they just want the site to get big so they will tell anyone what they want to hear just for advertising sake.

Like most things in life, the truth is often somewhere in the middle, and you wont ever really know whats what until you try it for yourself.

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OP,

You would be silly not to try WPEX. Send them a little cash from Neteller. Try playing for a week. See how you like. A break from Party would do you good.

Even if you break even, there will be a pile of rakeback sitting there Monday morning. Consider that your paycheck.

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Games are very aggressive, but beatable.

Software is crap

100% Rakeback is uber-sweet

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Rakeback is great.

Getting disconnected repeatedly sucks - and the the two "disconnect protects" DO NOT protect you.

Getting $75 back for having aces cracked on Wednesdays rocks.

Watching aces and flushes fill repeatedly while big slick lingers, sucks.

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Well here is my take on it (I will try to be as unbiased as possible). I have played on party for the last 3 weeks at 10/20. I quit party basically after the monster promo. My results from the last 4 weeks are this

Week 1 +2000 at 10/20 +1800 rakeback
Week 2 -5000 at 10/20 +3700 rakeback
Week 3 +5500 at 10/20 +2100 rakeback
Week 4 +4000 at 10/20 +1900 rakeback
Total +6500 at 10/20 +9500 rakeback

So up 15,000 in my first month there. Its beatable in my opinion (granted my sample size is probably about 25k hands). That being said the games are somewhat harder than party. Truthfully the party 10/20 short games have been getting harder for a long time. I have been playing 10/20 thru 20/40 on party for about 3 years and have seen my winrate slip to the increase in rake and the players getting better from about 2.5bb/100 to 1.2bb/100 in the last 3 years. You obviously can get !@#$#^@$^ from Party on top of that too.

The poster that said that rakeback is like a paycheck is right. At almost any limit you are gonna make more at rakeback than the actual games. But if you go back thru your PT database you will notice that most likely your rake paid to party is equal or more than your win each month there too (unless you are playing higher than 10/20, in that case it really doesnt help you to play at WPEX if you are a 50/100 player for example).
Not trying to be a shill for WPEX just trying to give you guys my experiences over the last month. There is the annoying disconnect problem, the software sucks, and there are only about 5-10 tables each of 1/2 limit up thru 10/20 limit. Also you can only 3 table max. If you have any other questions feel free to PM me.

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I tried them a few months ago (3 or 4) at the 400/200 NL. It was a rock garden and thought the RB was nice, I lost a bit.
The software is absolutely disgusting and it is so slow that it drives you crazy.

I expect things to improve eventualy (maybe they have already, haven't checked lately) but as they were when I played, it was a nightmare.

RB is great, but why don't they fix their [censored] software? I'm certain that discourages the fish.

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Getting disconnected repeatedly sucks - and the the two "disconnect protects" DO NOT protect you.


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In the menu you can reset your disconect protects. Unlike Party, ive never been unable to reset them anytime I want.

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With football season coming I would expect there to be a increase in traffic from fishy people betting on sports.

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I don't think people realize just how much money goes to rake over the course of a month. If you aren't getting some kind of rakeback, then you are putting yourself at a real disadvantage. A fulltime player can easily contribute 5K or more in rake per month. Supposes you have a losing month of 2K, in reality you are a 3K winner, but it doesn't feel that way. Knowing rake is piling up helps you stay focused, IMO.

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Getting disconnected repeatedly sucks - and the the two "disconnect protects" DO NOT protect you.


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In the menu you can reset your disconect protects. Unlike Party, ive never been unable to reset them anytime I want.

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Yes, but if you only get momentarily disconnected the "disconnect protect" does not kick in and your hand gets folded.

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Getting disconnected repeatedly sucks - and the the two "disconnect protects" DO NOT protect you.


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In the menu you can reset your disconect protects. Unlike Party, ive never been unable to reset them anytime I want.

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Yes, but if you only get momentarily disconnected the "disconnect protect" does not kick in and your hand gets folded.

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This hasnt been my experience. Everytime ive been momentarily disconected, the protec has kicked in

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Getting disconnected repeatedly sucks - and the the two "disconnect protects" DO NOT protect you.


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In the menu you can reset your disconect protects. Unlike Party, ive never been unable to reset them anytime I want.

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Yes, but if you only get momentarily disconnected the "disconnect protect" does not kick in and your hand gets folded.

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This hasnt been my experience. Everytime ive been momentarily disconected, the protec has kicked in

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I was getting a "connect lost" a couple times an hour - everytime I had a hand, it got folded. Sometimes that hand was on the river - and once there was no bet, just a check, and my hand was still folded.

No chance I play there anymore.

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I don't understand why would you wouldn't try it.

I have so many sites that I've downloaded and just looked at the tables. Or deposited, played very briefly, and decided I didn't like it there.

You can just go to the site and see what you think for yourself and I think your own judgement is going to overrule anything that anybody else tells you about the games anyway.

You could have every single poster on here tell you that the games really aren't beatable pre-rakeback and that the software sucks....yet you could there and have a completely different opinion.
And these are opinions that you know are coming from some people who are probably not very reliable.

I know people who I completely respect and trust on all matters related to poker...yet we can still disagree on whether a site or software or piece of advice is worthwhile or not.

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Yes, but if you only get momentarily disconnected the "disconnect protect" does not kick in and your hand gets folded.

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This hasnt been my experience. Everytime ive been momentarily disconected, the protec has kicked in

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The disconnect protect kicks in maybe 10% of the time for me although that number seems to be trending higher.

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Op,

You'll make more per table hour than you make at party. Get the 3 wpex tables open.

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The disconnect protect kicks in maybe 10% of the time for me

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This is totally unacceptable. If WPEX wants to be taken seriously, then it must have properly working software.

I've also just run into problems wiring money to their Canadian bank. The information they provide doesn't fit the forms. After waiting 4 days for the wire to go through, i find out that my money has been rejected and is sitting with my bank's international office (at least its safe!). The bank is insisting on an address (why wouldn't WPEX provide one?) and for some F***** up reason, WPEX wants you to wire the money to one account, then have it shuffled to another, which CONFUSES the F*** out of the tellers wiring this money. Hence my problem.

MICKEY MOUSE OPERATIONS ain't gonna cut it WPEX.

Fix your software glitches, and make wiring money EASY on your clients.

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The disconnect protect kicks in maybe 10% of the time for me

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This is totally unacceptable.

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It is inconvenient and sometimes expensive but still acceptable (to me). I assume that the times I've suffered have been roughly balanced by the times I've benefitted when some other poor bastard gets his better hand folded.

It would be great if/when WPX upgrades but I'm tolerant of the glitches. I'm very appreciative that they're trying to make this thing work.

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Neteller not an option??

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Neteller not an option??

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Yup, i just deposited with Neteller. I was trying to get the 5% bonus for wiring so i was sending them a sweet chunk of change. I have US funds so if i wire then i don't have to convert. I wish US/Canada would have one currency.

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I cannot stand how the software grabs your screen when it's your turn to act. Any easy way to fix that?

Jeff

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REALLY Stupid question. What is the website for WPEX. I have no idea what the real name is. I've seen WPEX and WSEX about a zillion times but never the name of the website. And a SEARCH is useless. 1000's of messages to comb through...

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REALLY Stupid question. What is the website for WPEX. I have no idea what the real name is. I've seen WPEX and WSEX about a zillion times but never the name of the website. And a SEARCH is useless. 1000's of messages to comb through...

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World Poker Exchange

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I cannot stand how the software grabs your screen when it's your turn to act. Any easy way to fix that?

Jeff

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do you have tweak ui? microsoft ap

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REALLY Stupid question. What is the website for WPEX. I have no idea what the real name is. I've seen WPEX and WSEX about a zillion times but never the name of the website. And a SEARCH is useless. 1000's of messages to comb through...

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JFYI a search for "wpex poker" on Google brings it up #1

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WorldPokerExchange.com

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My Neteller withdrawals post in under an hour. I LOVE WPX!

15K in RB since May.

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15K in RB since May.

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Holy F***. Nice going.

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I cannot stand how the software grabs your screen when it's your turn to act. Any easy way to fix that?

Jeff

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Yes, Tools->Options->General->Table-> Uncheck "Bring to front when action is required"

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Thank You! Huge help.

Jeff

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i'm playing 3/6 limit on wpex right now because of this thread. is there any way to make PA hud or poker tracker work with this?

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Import HH's manually...I know that GT+ works, have never used any other HUD

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Technically it's possible, I used to do it all the time, but these days you won't receive your hand histories for at least a couple hours. Now I just use the Game Time window of PT and go off of whatever stats I already have in my database.

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After playing almost exclusively SnGs for a year, I came back to limit and decided to give Wpex a shot to ease the reentry with 100% rakeback. In my experience, the lower limits are aggressive as hell. You either cold call, reraise, or blind out. Every pot is raised preflop. Every flop is raised.

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In my experience, the lower limits are aggressive as hell. You either cold call, reraise, or blind out. Every pot is raised preflop. Every flop is raised.

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It's no rock garden as people have eluded to. Yes perhaps there are some tight tables, but there are also lots of loose aggressive tables, as well as passive ones too. Lots of cold calling. It's turning out to be a decent site, bar a few glitches here and there.