$5 rake in shorthanded 50/100 !!!
 

at PP, the rake is $5 for this game (6 handed)...unreal!!

do people just not get it..or is it bad players playing here so they don't care? or is it the game is so good that good players don't mind paying it?

i've never seen $5 rake ever! unreal!

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Rake is a rip-off, profit margins are huge, why charge $5? Because they can. Ultimately its the poor players that drive the games and they aren't incentivised by rake. The trouble is virtually every voice in poker has his or her finger in the pie, so they say they say nothing - just look at the advertisements here. If the poker community organsied itself then perhaps things would improve.

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i'm pretty sure the rake at any brick & mortar casino in the world is worse than that?

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i'm pretty sure the rake at any brick & mortar casino in the world is worse than that?

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No.

Unless you mean compared to the size of the game, then yes.

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The highest rake I've seen is 5 per hand and that's about as high as it get's in raked hand games. I'm not sure what it translates to, but the raked time games could come out to more if it's slow. Some places you pay up to 8 per half hour.

Let's say your playing a mid limit game and you get 25 HPR flopped. That's 125 in rake per hour. While a time rake your going to get 160 per hour, raked. If you get in more hands per hour, then it'll be higher for the first rather than the second. 5 dollars is usually the cap, at some places it's 4 or 3. But most places never go higher (atleast that I've been to in Vegas or Tunica).

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Im positive the rake at the 100/200 in Bellagio in $72. Five dollars, while high for a short-handed table is a bit steep, but is still very easy to overcome. %2.5 of one big bet for a winning player is quite minuscule.

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In the Amsterdam 10/20 Euro limit game, raked is 5% up to 20 euro!

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The mistake that people make is comparing the services, they are completely different - they are only similar in so much hands of poker are played. For every $ rake over 90c* is money they can are free to take profits, sponsor give to rakeback. How much for the casinos?

Some players pay $150k a year or more in rake for just what is just a service. If you broke it down into its component parts, and analysed it as a product that you didn't gamble on, you have to wonder what would be a reasonable cost for the service. If this happened in other industries government watchdogs would be all over them; but they fall in the niche of the gambling industry, except they don't gamble in the same way as casinos or bookmakers, they do so like any other business. If companies can compete by offering 35% of their revenue back, just consider how much they make.

Admittedly, the excessive profits are driven a healthy advertising campaign which has swelled the numbers, but there must be a saturation level and maybe at some point
someone will compete on rake.

* I had some informal confirmation of this.

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i'm pretty sure the rake at any brick & mortar casino in the world is worse than that?

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that can vary quite a bit.

a lot of casino's that play games this high will do time games, and if you have slow play, it still wouldlnt be close to as bad.

i know when i play 40/80 we use a $8 time charge/half hr. which isnt bad b/c the only time the game gets slowed down is when theres a big multiway pot or the fishies are confoooosed.

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yea but the play in that game is sooooooooooo bad!

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If this happened in other industries government watchdogs would be all over them;

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On what legal grounds?

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<font color="gray">Im positive the rake at the 100/200 in Bellagio in $72. Five dollars, while high for a short-handed table is a bit steep, but is still very easy to overcome. %2.5 of one big bet for a winning player is quite minuscule.</font>

I'm positive that you're dead wrong. A once per dealer time pot is not the same as raking every hand that amount.

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In the Amsterdam 10/20 Euro limit game, raked is 5% up to 20 euro!

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In the Barcelona 20/40 game, I think it's like 10% uncapped. I'm not even kidding.

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Sorry for the delay. 'On what grounds?' - gross profiteering. In the uk many services industries are affiliated to watchdogs/regualators. My knowledge is superficial - no more than consumer level - but these bodies are in place to ensure that companies don't abuse there position: they significant powers to, for example, impose fines I believe. British gas say wouldn't be aloud to charge £1000 to the public for a product which effectively net cost them £50 - of course this wouldn't occur as market forces dictate - but it couldn't happen. This is precisely the level of profiteering occurring in the interent-poker industry.

Banks now have to justify the charges they impose on customers for sending a letter stating you are overdrawn. Although there is no monopoly regulators must guard against cartel-like behaviour, which in certain areas banks act like.

There's little doubt that the big poker rooms behave in a similar way. There has not been a serious war on rake between stars and party. And when there was *within party*, when it appeared change in was in the offing, party pulled out a great coup and snuffed it out. Maybe if the poker community decided to take a short term hit and **** to stars the rakeback would still be around; but since sharks predictably follow value like donkeys do carrots - nothing changes nor will it if people see value that way. It's quite frustrating, like a million prisoner dilemmas - rake could be halved in a week if the consumers sung from the same sheet. What would party do if everyone boycotted their site and buggarred off to stars until they reduced their rake? They'd slice it half in a heartbeat. Unfortunately there appears no significant collective.

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Im positive the rake at the 100/200 in Bellagio in $72. Five dollars, while high for a short-handed table is a bit steep, but is still very easy to overcome. %2.5 of one big bet for a winning player is quite minuscule.

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something like $50 per hundred hands is not small. it's a large percentage of even a top player's winrate.

and as someone pointed out, raking $72 once per half hour is not the same as raking $72 per hand. it works out to less than $5/hand.

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who claimed that they rake $72 per hand at bellagio??

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when i play 40/80 we use a $8 time charge/half hr. which isnt bad b/c the only time the game gets slowed down is when theres a big multiway pot or the fishies are confoooosed.

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$8 time charge/half hr x 2 x 10 =$160 per hour per table. You will never play more then 30 hands per hour so in effect you are paying more then $5 a hand...

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party rakes that high because they can, and what are you going to do about it? it sucks, but remember that online poker is still cheaper than B&amp;M poker.

i was absolutely flabergasted that the rake in the 20/40 game at bay101 got bumped up to $5. it makes the game almost unplayable.

and i feel really bad for the euro players because their rake is just ridiculous.

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so in effect you are paying more then $5 a hand...

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Surely you mean, "so in effect the table is paying more then [sic] $5 a hand..."

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In the Amsterdam 10/20 Euro limit game, raked is 5% up to 20 euro!

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In the Barcelona 20/40 game, I think it's like 10% uncapped. I'm not even kidding.

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that is DISGUSTING

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who claimed that they rake $72 per hand at bellagio??

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i'm pretty sure thats what solami meant.

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In the Amsterdam 10/20 Euro limit game, raked is 5% up to 20 euro!

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In the Barcelona 20/40 game, I think it's like 10% uncapped. I'm not even kidding.

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that is DISGUSTING

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Carnival Cruises offers 5/10 limit holdem with 10% uncapped rake. Saw several $40+ drops.

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who claimed that they rake $72 per hand at bellagio??

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i'm pretty sure thats what solami meant.

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no way. he just said the rake is $72. i take that to mean the time charge. it is common to call a time charge "rake".

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who claimed that they rake $72 per hand at bellagio??

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i'm pretty sure thats what solami meant.

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no way. he just said the rake is $72. i take that to mean the time charge. it is common to call a time charge "rake".

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well his post makes no sense then.

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Wow. All this time I'd mistakenly believed Britain had a free-market economy.

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you dispute the existance and or powers of these regulators?

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partypoker shorthanded 50/100 is soft? Are you kidding me? How can there be bad players playing it ONLINE since its high limit?

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party rakes that high because they can, and what are you going to do about it? it sucks, but remember that online poker is still cheaper than B&amp;M poker.

i was absolutely flabergasted that the rake in the 20/40 game at bay101 got bumped up to $5. it makes the game almost unplayable.

and i feel really bad for the euro players because their rake is just ridiculous.

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How does a 5 dollar rake on a 20/40 game make it almost unplayable? My B&amp;M rakes 5 bucks from its 3/6 and 6/12 tables and the games are still playable (3/6 barley).