OT: The Throwing vs Hitting Tennis Bet
 

Since this is becoming a pretty big thing I created a new thread.

I will accept almost any offers with the throwing and hitting. Obviously the thrower is at the disadvantage, if he uses a standard baseball mitt or glove, it is even money. If he uses barehands, it is 3-1 4-1 depending on the level of the player using the racket. Lets keep all tennis posts in here and lets start gambling folks.

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1C5 of 2+2 is the first man to officially challenge me in the match. The match will be scheduled November 2nd or 3rd in Las Vegas, NV. He is still deciding wether to play me even money with a glove or 4-1 with barehands.

Side-betting will be encouraged and do not hesitate to come out and enjoy the fun. Location will be announced shortly, match can be played on clay or hardcourts, 1C5 can make that decision.

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I would think that, even with a glove on, there's no way that's even money

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I will decide on the glove vs no glove and type of court shortly.

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Wow, this is like the old Amarillo Slim ping pong matches. Awesome that we've got some hustler gamblers in BBV!

Nick, confirm this is a regular tennis court, regular tennis balls, and are you allowed to move with the ball while holding it?

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once i catch the ball i cannot move, i can pivot off one foot, but cannot move forward to throw from a closer position. regular hard or clay court and regular balls.

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How many sets?

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Best 2 out of 3 sets.

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i dont understand, what is the point/ you try and hit a tennis ball that a catcher throws? i dont get it

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there has to b a rule on how long u have to throw the ball. otherwise, you could stall out, kill the movement of the game, and do too many fake throws, then lob over the front of the net with backspin. seems with a glove you still wouldnt b even money if you only had say a second to throw again. not to mention, your serves will b so slow after 50 or so.

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3 sets??? Jesus, the racket guy is at least a 10-1 favorite if they're equal athletes and the racket guy knows anything about hitting a ball.

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Ken Kao from the Stanford Mens Tennis Team has made the challenge. Please state the day and amount and we are set Ken. For those of you who dont know tennis, Stanford is the greatest Tennis College ever with over 40 NCAA Titles. Good luck to you Ken.

Matches will be best 2 out of 3 sets.

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i dont understand, what is the point/ you try and hit a tennis ball that a catcher throws? i dont get it

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Im in the same boat, what exactly is going on here? Can somebody MSPAINT it or something?

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Wait, if you are agreeing to do this with a Stanford tennis player, maybe I don't want to play for too much $$!!

I am a lowly SnG player, I will still do the bet as it would be fun but lets play for something I can afford please.

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I have to agree, I made the announcement. I know that I have no chance against him, but how many Stanford tennis players are on 2+2. And he probably cannot come up with the $500 minumum.

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3 sets??? Jesus, the racket guy is at least a 10-1 favorite if they're equal athletes and the racket guy knows anything about hitting a ball.

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I agree, but will settle for 4-1. Find some players and lets do it.

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I have to agree, I made the announcement. I know that I have no chance against him, but how many Stanford tennis players are on 2+2. And he probably cannot come up with the $500 minumum.

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baronzeus will probably stake him.

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will someone please explain what this is?

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will someone please explain what this is?

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P.S. University of Illinois is better then Standford tennis [img]/images/graemlins/tongue.gif[/img]

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GOOD LORD y'all are slow. Read this thread: skip the first three pages

Then call this number: 702 325 8052

Cliffs: High stakes HU tennis where on opponent has no racket. Balla as hail.

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I wish I was in the US even though I suck at tennis.

Although, thinking about it, even if you win using the racket you're still probably going to feel like a loser.

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Maybe they are now, but over the years no one matches Stanford. Ken Kao please announce the stakes and glove or no glove. It will have to be 7-1 since you are so good.

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I have to agree, I made the announcement. I know that I have no chance against him, but how many Stanford tennis players are on 2+2. And he probably cannot come up with the $500 minumum.

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Are you kidding? He plays medium/high stakes limit poker, the $500 minimum is piss for him. And if it wasn't I'd stake him.

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PS is it legal for Amateur players to do this?

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PS is it legal for Amateur players to do this?

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I can't imagine the NCAA would be very happy about it. Gambling on sports is a huge [censored] no-no. So almost certainly not.

EDIT: Searching the NCAA bylaws for Div. I for gambling, I get
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10.3 GAMBLING ACTIVITIES

Staff members of a member conference, staff members of the athletics department of a member institution and student-athletes shall not knowingly: (Revised: 4/22/98 effective 8/1/98)

(a) Provide information to individuals involved in organized gambling activities concerning intercollegiate athletics competition;

(b) Solicit a bet on any intercollegiate team;

(c) Accept a bet on any team representing the institution;

(d) Solicit or accept a bet on any intercollegiate competition for any item (e.g., cash, shirt, dinner) that has tangible value; or (Revised: 9/15/97)

(e) Participate in any gambling activity that involves intercollegiate athletics or professional athletics, through a bookmaker, a parlay card or any other method employed by organized gambling. (Revised: 1/9/96, 1/14/97 effective 8/1/97)

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This technically doesn't look intercollegiate, so it might be okay, but what they consider "professional" athletics isn't clear from this. Probably that's defined somewhere else. The relevant sanction:

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(b) A student-athlete who solicits or accepts a bet or participates in any gambling activity that involves intercollegiate athletics or professional athletics, through a bookmaker, a parlay card or any other method employed by organized gambling, shall be ineligible for all regular-season and postseason competition for a minimum of a period of one year from the date of the institution's determination that a violation has occurred and shall be charged with the loss of a minimum of one season of competition. If the student-athlete is determined to have been involved in a subsequent violation of any portion of Bylaw 10.3, the student-athlete shall permanently lose all remaining regular-season and postseason eligibility in all sports. (Revised: 4/27/06)

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Yeah, he would get in big trouble for this I would imagine if he is still on the team.

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Maybe they are now, but over the years no one matches Stanford. Ken Kao please announce the stakes and glove or no glove. It will have to be 7-1 since you are so good.

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still even money with a glove?

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Well no one is going to tell anyone and there is no way to prove it. he can have someone watching bet for him, so he is just playing a regular tennis match, nothing illegal about it. what i am counting on is that 10k might put a little pressure on him, 10k to me is nothing and I wont feel any pressure.

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throwing has got to have a huge advantage(given the odds/structure that is) assuming you are really good at catching... you would have perfect placement. and you could almost always just barely lob it over the net so the racket would always have to be able to cover the front court as well as the whole width of the court since the thrower will be throwing to the extreme right or left a very high percentage of the time.

this is esp true if the catcher can catch the ball without it bouncing first which i assume he can. its fairly obviously any catch within about 6 feet of the net is an automatic point. with a glove you could be making a lot of catches close up like that.

i also think the glove would have a great advantage when recieving and a much less an advantage when serving. but the rules for serving for the thrower haven't been defined


i am not a tennis pro though so i could be way off in my analysis

EDIT: clay increases the glove guys advantage i think as well. also if kneepads(and other protective gear) were allowed that greatly helps the glove guy

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i think i agree with almost busto



i think kenthecow and nick rainey should just play straight up

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you obviously know nothing about tennis. the thrower is at a huge dissadvantage. the glove helps a little thats why it is even money. with no glove, how do you catch the serve? its almost impossible, especially someone like Ken Kao, a Nik Fustar protege.

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you know more about this than i do, and you are very willing to make this bet. theres something you know that i dont.

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you obviously know nothing about tennis. the thrower is at a huge dissadvantage. the glove helps a little thats why it is even money. with no glove, how do you catch the serve? its almost impossible, especially someone like Ken Kao, a Nik Fustar protege.

[/ QUOTE ] since Tom was just agreeing with what i wrote, i should say that what i wrote was in regards to the glove prop and not so much the no glove prop. though i think it remains true for the glove prop IF you can actually catch a server a decent amount of the time(which according you you can't)... i've never tried to catch a serve so i don't know if thats possible, you would definitely have to be damn dextrous.

anyway i was talking about a glove.

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you know more about this than i do, and you are very willing to make this bet. theres something you know that i dont.

[/ QUOTE ]as baronzeus has stated. you are the author of this prop (as far as i know at least) and being the catcher is the side that you are putting yourself on. this is further evidence that my comments ring true.

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obviously nick has had some practice on the catching/throwing side of the bet. Being able to throw is quite clearly a huge advantage. I can't for the life of me figure out how he would be able to catch a 100+ serve on a regular basis, or serve himself without having the ball drilled back really hard but there must be something I am missing.

With a glove this is a huge sucker bet as the racket would be a big dog in my opinion.

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Someone needs to make videos of this and host them.

BTW....anyone wanna prop bet a bike race with me [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]. I dont play tennis

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almostbusto is way off IMHO.

The catcher has to stand way back to have any chance, standing near the net, the ball would be drilled past you every time. Plus to catch the first serve you have to stand way back.

From that far back it's not easy to throw the ball just over the net and control side to side positioning perfectly.

It should be obvious the catcher is at a huge disadvantage.

It's also obvious Nick has some edges :

1. he has practiced a lot being a catcher

2. hitting a soft thrown ball is very different than hitting a ball coming at speed off a racket; his opponents will be used to hitting a ball that comes in with pace, not a thrown duck

3. maybe he's worked out some really nasty spin throws?

4. as he said he won't feel the money pressure and hopefully opponent will get nerves and choke; tennis can be like golf, a mental game where if you start choking you totally fall apart.

I'd love to see video of these matches.

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i didn't advocate standing near the net per se. i just said that if it was caught near the net then its over. basically the racket is going to have to be running and scrambling to hit very well place shots on the edges of the playing surface or potentially deep/short shots. so a lot of the time the racket won't be able to smash it back. when i played tennis i always found it very difficult to hit a shot that is very short will any kind of power when you have to run full steam just to get it to. anyway there will be occasions when the glove should be able to "play the net" or catch a ball up close when the racket has to effectively dive just to get it over.

i wouldn't expect the volleys to last very long though. so maybe the service game is what really matters. it seems intuitive that the service game is going to be very lopsided. in which direction is debatable though [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]. first, the gloves serve will most likely be god awful unless the glove can throw the ball anywhere or something. but i can't see the glove missing many catches at all. in which case the game effectively starts with the glove as the server(if he is going to catch 100%) but he is serving from a closer distance without restriction on placement. so each player would have the advantage when the other guy served

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Please post locations for the various games if/when they happen. I'd very possibly be interested in flying down to Vegas to watch.

Rob