My biggest B&M petpeeve
 

Does this bother anyone else? While I love playing live poker, the thing that gets under my skin is the guys/girls who scream "open seat" as soon as someone gets up. Then they proceed to inform the floor at every possible time "Did you know we have an open seat?" Why is it that people all of a sudden freak out as soon as there are 9 players instead of 10?

This past weekend one man would not shut up about our 8 handed game and insisted that there must be a list. Sure enough there was no board and the floor repeatedly told him so. still he continued to curse at them saying "Where the F are all the players? Jesus Fn Christ there are ninety players in here why arent they at our table?" Seeing as how this was Saturday at the Borgata, I'm pretty sure there were more than 90 players there.

Just a rant.

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I suspect they worry because they are older B&M regulars who aren't as comfortable playing shorthanded as the internet folks who frequently play 6max or even some heads-up. Whenever I play live I love it when the table gets 6- or 7-handed because I can open up my range of hands to raise and usually steal more often, as most people don't make that adjustment.

Just my $.02.

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I would agree, I love it when the table gets shorthanded, because most players have no idea that you have to play more hands.

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I would agree, I love it when the table gets shorthanded, because most players have no idea that you have to play more hands.

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yeah I don't really think that the majority of B&M mouth breathers are playing too tight for a temporarily 7 handed table

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I would agree, I love it when the table gets shorthanded, because most players have no idea that you have to play more hands.

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yeah I don't really think that the majority of B&M mouth breathers are playing too tight for a temporarily 7 handed table

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Precisely! They're actually playing more correctly.

At small-stakes B&M play, so much of your edge comes from tight play that I don't think losing players gives you nearly a compensating edge in your ability to adjust. You certainly should adjust, but you're probably just playing as loose as everyone else was all along. Hopefully you're more aggressive, though.

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it depends on the limit

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it depends on the limit

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and game as well...I prefer to play my limit games full and NL short.

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jkamowitz,

nice bumping into you. sorry i wasn't more excited to meet a 2+2er im usually a dweeb like that.

I hate this and this being done to unprecedented levels this weekend has forced me to cancel my AC trip this weekend. Live poker players are [censored] miserable and I'd rather sit at home alone and play online than watch those peope fall asleep at the table, complain about not getting a glass for their wine, and tell me what to do.

I really wouldn't care if someone said "hey, we should fill that seat!" but it's the snapping and anger that just make playing not pleasant. I do my best at the table to be funny and polite, but one person just ruins the whole thing for me.

BTW - way to run over the game. And how good/bad is my dad?

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hey, so they want to bring more money to the table and they like bigger pots, more action. I love playing shorthanded against loose-passives but I don't want them to get up and leave.

The only time hearing "open seat!" angers me is when I get up after a horrific bust out.

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The only time hearing "open seat!" angers me is when I get up after a horrific bust out.

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I don't understand why anyone lets this bother them.... I guess that's why it is a "pet peeve." If that is the biggest issue I had with the behavior of B&M poker players, the games would be very pleasant.

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How about the players that yell "open seat", when the table is obviously full?

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I don't mind the open seat yelling. I do get frustrated when we go to six, and one or two won't play because we are short handed....John Stossel (sp). Or even worse five handed and they won't play because there aren't enough for the bad beat, like we would win it anyway.

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This is a huge pet peeve of mine. When I play 5-10 at Foxwoods there is without fail at least two old nits at the table who get their panties all up in a bunch if an empty seat is not filled within 2 seconds. They get all nasty toward the dealer even if the dealer has repeatedly notified the floor of the empty seat. It really amazes me, cuz even if these nits are afraid of playing short handed, there is no real noticeable difference between playing 9 handed and 10 handed. I think a lot of it has to do with the fact that their blinds come around faster and they somehow think they are getting ripped off by only getting to see 7 free hands instead of 8.

I really feel like telling these people to STFU when they carry on.

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who gives a [censored] if they yell open seat, you sound like a nit for caring so much.

I'm more mad at players who refuse to play 5-7 handed...now that pisses me off.

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They can be mildly irritating at times. Alot of times these guys might be a bit stuck. And, as others said, they're really afraid of playing s/h.

But I think the idiots who constantly try to compare penis size on the table and berate other players are much worse if you really want to talk about irritating.

But they all kind of fit into a big general category, along with the petty nits, as morons that make the game less enjoyable.

Though it does add fuel to me in terms of wanting to kick the hell out of them on the table. [img]/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img] I do get a perverse thrill when I'm running well and people are whining as a result.

b

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I'm going to vote for more hands that one has to pay blinds. 8 free hands and 2 blinds is less expensive than 6 free hands and 2 blinds.

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I'm going to vote for more hands that one has to pay blinds. 8 free hands and 2 blinds is less expensive than 6 free hands and 2 blinds.

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everyone at the table is paying the exact same amount of blinds as you. the only inherent disadvantage to playing shorthanded is that you have to play more hands, so it gives the better players a bigger edge. (this is also an inherent advantage for the better players, hence the popularity of 6-max among internet pros.) 9 handed compared to 10 handed changes very little.

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Assume three players are locals who freak out when playing short. Assume further that one person is walking at the moment. Now assume that you freak out when short and don't want to play, but you're stuck and you think you might suck at poker.

All that leads to fear of playing short and, at the worst, having your game break. Hence, OPEN SEAT!!!!!!!

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people shouldnt bitch and moan, but a lot of dealers dont tell the floor for several minutes and the floor themselves are lazy. when youre getting raked the same for 9 players as 7 and its not a percentage, it really eats away at you.

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I was playing the 5/10 limit game at foxwoods one night and it dropped down to 5 people. The other 4 players wanted to sit there and fold hands without looking and chop the blinds until more people joined. I definitely made the table break completely.

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I'm going to vote for more hands that one has to pay blinds. 8 free hands and 2 blinds is less expensive than 6 free hands and 2 blinds.

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This is exactly the opposite of how you should feel if you are a good player. I love it when my table is down to 5 or 6 players as I immediately open up my game while no one else seems to realize it. That's why I cringe when a seat opens up and right away 1 or 2 players yell for it to be filled. I do take notice of who those players are and file it for later.

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I like an empty seat next to me (for the extra space), but i suppose it is nice to keep the wait times down.

Bigger pet peeve for me is when a guy calls for a new setup whenever he is running badly and the house rules require his indulgence. Recently at a casino in Detroit, one regular who constantly asks for a new setup did it again and a few players took a walk. When the new deck was ready, he and the rest wouldn't play short handed. Killed the game for 15 minutes.

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Bigger pet peeve for me is when a guy calls for a new setup...

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I HATE THIS! Damn superstitious morons that blame the cards, the dealer, and everyone but themselves for their dwindling stack.

The only time a setup should be requested is if there is possible card marking going on. That is legitimate, but that is about 1% of the time.

I don't mind calling the empty seats, as I prefer a full ring game.

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I've always like SH limit, but in NL I prefer a full table. More chance that somebody will call all in with their trash when I flop top two or a set.

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I agree that calling for a set-up is much more annoying, it's almost never a good player, and usually someone who just happened over from the blackjack tables or the slot machines. It just slows up the game and wastes time.

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DEALER WE HAVE AN OPEN SEAT.

Awesome!

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I agree that calling for a set-up is much more annoying, it's almost never a good player, and usually someone who just happened over from the blackjack tables or the slot machines. It just slows up the game and wastes time.

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It is even more annoying to have someone call for a setup in O/8. That game is already slow enough. [img]/images/graemlins/ooo.gif[/img]

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DEALER WE HAVE AN OPEN SEAT.

Awesome!

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give cab driver dave a call.. he'll loosen up the game lol

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I'm going to vote for more hands that one has to pay blinds. 8 free hands and 2 blinds is less expensive than 6 free hands and 2 blinds.

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This is the winning answer. Although it shouldn't make a difference to them, they think it does.

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Bigger pet peeve for me is when a guy calls for a new setup...

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I HATE THIS! Damn superstitious morons that blame the cards, the dealer, and everyone but themselves for their dwindling stack.

The only time a setup should be requested is if there is possible card marking going on. That is legitimate, but that is about 1% of the time.


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I wish an early death to every old man that calls for a set up as soon as he starts to run cold.

The seat thing only bothers me when the dealer has already called for a player but there is no board, but the player starts freaking out cause the seat has been open for 10 min.

I have much bigger pet peeves that this.

1. The old man next to me mumbles or hums for hours straight. (I don't use an Ipod obviously)

2. The old man next to me complaining about the cards he is dealt and tellling me bad beat stories while I'm in a hand.

3. People who listen to music so loud that they can't tell whats going on, and they constantly pull the earpiece out and ask what is going on. I can't even imagine how bad this could get in NL where the bet sizes vary.

Ok so I could probably think of more but I'll end the rant here.

HASS

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I agree that calling for a set-up is much more annoying, it's almost never a good player, and usually someone who just happened over from the blackjack tables or the slot machines. It just slows up the game and wastes time.

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Or the idiots who contantly ask for the deck to be scrambled before they go into the shuffle master.... give me a break.. there is no difference in scrambling them and then having the machine shuffle them, or just stuffing them into the machine... quit slowing the game down even more!

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Or the idiots who contantly ask for the deck to be scrambled before they go into the shuffle master....

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Foxwoods does this as a matter of procedure -- a single riffle each hand before inserting the cards. It's not too bad. I would certainly get peeved in a $5/hh game if someone were asking for an occasional complete wash.

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Or the idiots who contantly ask for the deck to be scrambled before they go into the shuffle master....

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Foxwoods does this as a matter of procedure -- a single riffle each hand before inserting the cards. It's not too bad. I would certainly get peeved in a $5/hh game if someone were asking for an occasional complete wash.

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Yeah, a single riffle is fine and it takes only a few seconds. A guy last night asked for each deck of the 2, to be completely washed 3 hands in a row (total of 6 straight washes). The dude was a complete donator, so I tried not to ruffle the feathers....but alas, I ended up donating more than him [img]/images/graemlins/frown.gif[/img]

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mmmm peeve threads.

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How about sitting out without leaving the table and asking for a new setup without being dealt in? Happened at Commerce a few weeks ago in a 7cs game. I also hate the player who sits down and asks for a new setup after a few hands.

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I see your point and agree. However I also feel it's frustrating if the specific card club is very un-organized and/or lazy. They should keep on top of that.

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I'll take an "open seat" cop next to me anytime over a guy who's gone a few days without washing his ass or his mouth. That can make for a long, disgusting session.

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My major issue with the open seat problem at Foxwoods (it's been a while since I've been there) is after waiting up to four hours for a seat, the last thing I want to see are empty seats, 'cause it makes me wonder if my wait wasn't just made longer by lazy floor staff.

In reality, probably not enough to worry about, but even still, it's like seeing empty tables in a restaurant at the same time they're telling you it's going to be a 45 minute wait.

That, and I'd often like a new buffer between me and the grumpy old nit who's constantly berating the dealer and other players because they're interrupting his reading the newspaper.

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Some places, like MGM in vegas will have a basic control panel, and the dealer can simply press a button which alerts the desk of what seats are open at which tables. Obviously most casinos dont have this nice feature.