($11) Push AQo against 3x raise?
 

BB was very tight and did not defend blinds. CO was TAG, not much else of a read on him.

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CO (t1600)
Button (t1330)
Hero (t1813)
BB (t1950)
UTG (t1900)
MP (t4907)

Preflop: Hero is SB with A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img].
<font color="#666666">2 folds</font>, <font color="#CC3333">CO raises to t450</font>, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>. Hero...

I folded this in the game. On review, I wondering this could have been a PUSH?

Assuming that BB folded, if CO was stealing then his calling range would be tight and my FE + win% would be high.

If CO raised with a smaller range TT+/AQ+ then I have no FE and his call% and my lose% would be higher.

Since my read was that he was TAG I folded. However, at 75/150 everybody is also motivated to steal blinds. Am I giving him too much credit for good cards here? Mitigating between a tight player's tendancies and their motivation to steal is a tough one that affects EV significantly.

Re: ($11) Push AQo against 3x raise?
 

I would probably push, it's close though

Re: ($11) Push AQo against 3x raise?
 

I push this. And yes i think you are giving CO too much credit for good cards here.

Re: ($11) Push AQo against 3x raise?
 

Even if the CO is making a value raise here and not just a move to steal, I think his range is much wider than TT+/AQ+. AT can make a value raise from that late position, KQ, or 88. There are only 4 hands you don't want to see, so even if you are called, you are probably at worst a coin flip, but you are at the point in your stack where you don't have much more time to play too careful.

Re: ($11) Push AQo against 3x raise?
 

Assuming the same bet/call ranges, 13% (44,A9,A5s,KJs) looks like the equilibrium point (using SNGWIZ). That range seems looser than CO would be betting with for value?

Re: ($11) Push AQo against 3x raise?
 

I think a fold is probably better than a push here.

You have a nice stack and if the raiser is TAG then his range here is pretty tight since he also has a nice stack and isnt in pushbot mode yet.

Scrilla

Re: ($11) Push AQo against 3x raise?
 

What is your range for shoving over the top here?

What pocket pairs are you getting it in with?

Scrilla

Re: ($11) Push AQo against 3x raise?
 

This is an EASY shove against most CO ranges.

Re: ($11) Push AQo against 3x raise?
 

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I think a fold is probably better than a push here.

You have a nice stack and if the raiser is TAG then his range here is pretty tight since he also has a nice stack and isnt in pushbot mode yet.

Scrilla

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i disagree due to our lovely gap concept. even TAGs open wider in the CO here. without a read that he is specifically THAT tight in all positions, i dont think this is much of a decision. a fold is reasonable against very specific villains but most of the time this is an easy shove.

Re: ($11) Push AQo against 3x raise?
 

Travesy,

What is your range for shoving over here?

I obviously have a problem in that I usually fold in these spots so help me fix it! [img]/images/graemlins/tongue.gif[/img]

Scrilla

Re: ($11) Push AQo against 3x raise?
 

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Travesy,

What is your range for shoving over here?

I obviously have a problem in that I usually fold in these spots so help me fix it! [img]/images/graemlins/tongue.gif[/img]

Scrilla

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im not travesty, but if you are up against a tight villain and not much FE, im probably on a 99/TT+, AQ+

Re: ($11) Push AQo against 3x raise?
 

[ QUOTE ]
Travesy,

What is your range for shoving over here?

I obviously have a problem in that I usually fold in these spots so help me fix it! [img]/images/graemlins/tongue.gif[/img]

Scrilla

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A player opening in the CO does not necessarily rep huge strength. AQo is not even a thought process for me, its pretty much an auto-shove with the CO opening the pot. But, w/ hands such as AJ, ATs, 66+ it gets a little closer and really depends on villain. You do have FE, but with good hands like AQ, you are shoving more for pure value.

Re: ($11) Push AQo against 3x raise?
 

AMT,

Thanks! Hoping to hear from a range of posters on this...

I think discussing what YOUR range is in a given spot is actully more important than people telling the OP whether they made a bad push/fold etc.

So what if AQo here is an obvious shove...what else should he be shoving? What is an easy fold?

Ok...thats the end of my little rant.

Thanks again,
Scrilla

Re: ($11) Push AQo against 3x raise?
 

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AMT,

Thanks! Hoping to hear from a range of posters on this...

I think discussing what YOUR range is in a given spot is actully more important than people telling the OP whether they made a bad push/fold etc.

So what if AQo here is an obvious shove...what else should he be shoving? What is an easy fold?

Ok...thats the end of my little rant.

Thanks again,
Scrilla

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see above [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img] after thinking about it my range might be a bit tight but not necessarily against a very TAG villain. i think in the 77-99 and ATs/AJ range its very very read dependent on the villain...the TT+, AQ+ are virtually always pushes here though.

Re: ($11) Push AQo against 3x raise?
 

[ QUOTE ]
AMT,

Thanks! Hoping to hear from a range of posters on this...

I think discussing what YOUR range is in a given spot is actully more important than people telling the OP whether they made a bad push/fold etc.

So what if AQo here is an obvious shove...what else should he be shoving? What is an easy fold?

Ok...thats the end of my little rant.

Thanks again,
Scrilla

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I really never give calling/shoving ranges specifically. MAINLY, b/c everyone plays at diff levels and against diff opponents and I feel that those factors matter significantly in the decision-making process. Ex. I have never palyed an 11, so I really cant say exactly what the best calling/shoving range is b/c I dont know how many decent/good plyrs as opposed to total donks you are playing with. As you move up in stakes this plyr ratio will steadily morph into a top heavy decent/good plyr mix, and so will youre ranges to accomodate. Maybe this is all understood, maybe it will help a bit.

Re: ($11) Push AQo against 3x raise?
 

I would push this as I do not think CO raising range is that tight here.

A Fold is not bad either given you have a player to your left who likes to fold his big blind which you can take advantage of when the blinds go up.