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OMG I played this one bad. 25NL

Villain seems to be a fairly tight, solid player (textbook multitabler). Did I do anything right? I don't like folding SC:s preflop, even OOP.

Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em, $ BB (10 handed) FTR converter on zerodivide.cx

saw flop|saw showdown

MP3 ($29.82)
CO ($4.65)
Button ($8.75)
Hero ($37.45)
BB ($23.50)
UTG ($30.35)
UTG+1 ($9.85)
UTG+2 ($4.50)
MP1 ($19.20)
MP2 ($35.15)

Preflop: Hero is SB with 9[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 8[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]. Hero posts a blind of $0.10.
UTG calls $0.25, 2 folds, MP1 calls $0.25, 1 fold, MP3 raises to $1.25, 2 folds, Hero (poster) calls $1.15, 1 fold, UTG folds, MP1 calls $1.

Flop: ($4.25) 5[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 2[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 6[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (3 players)
Hero bets $2, MP1 folds, MP3 raises to $4, Hero calls $2.

hmm...After my donkbet got raised, I still called w my gutshot....major spewage. 2 more into a $10 pot. The only good thing is that I'm pretty sure he has an overpair now.

Turn: ($12.25) 4[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (2 players)
Hero bets $5, MP3 calls $5.

Ok this is a semibluff, pure and simple. I'm sure I have at least 13 clean outs, does that make it OK to bet $5 into a $12 pot, considering implied odds? But what does the cold-call mean?

River: ($22.25) J[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (2 players)
Hero bets $27.20 (allin), MP3 calls $19.57.

Final Pot: $69.02

Rip this one apart, please [img]/images/graemlins/blush.gif[/img]

Re: OMG I played this one bad. 25NL

if you're going to bet the flop, pot it. The turn screams weakness but that's ok because I doubt you'll be raised by marginal hand at 25NL.

Re: OMG I played this one bad. 25NL

don't play SC from the SB - fold preflop.

overpair? - thats one possibility - he may also have A6/A5 55 22 or 66 A2[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] A6[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]

Unless I am very much mistaken a coldcall is when a villain calls a pf bet without any money of his own invested in the pot already. Villain flat called you here. For implied odds to work out villain must put another $15 in the middle AND get beaten by your mini flush when it arrives.
Even donks can see 3 hearts on board and are usually scared by this - so IF your flush is good on the river you won't be getting enough money to make this a good call.

As played you have to push this river. Then feel ill when villain flips A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 6[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] to scoop the pot.

I'm sure someone else who knows better will be along soon to do some more ripping [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]

Re: OMG I played this one bad. 25NL

I'd fold preflop, playing draws OOP sucks.

I'd like the flop lead more if you had flush+gutshot not just gutshot (in which case you could go bet/3bet allin), and the flop lead is not nearly enough needs to be close to PSB here.

The turn bet is again on the smaller side and is vulnerable to being raised. Semi-bluffs should include the opportunity to fold better hands, which this lead has little chance to do. I'd 2/3 pot it.

You did get the runner-runner flush part right. [img]/images/graemlins/wink.gif[/img]

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don't play SC from the SB - fold preflop.

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meh

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is that a good meh or a bad meh? [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]

howabout don't play SC from the small blind unless you are confident that you can outplay the opposition postflop.

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is that a good meh or a bad meh? [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]

howabout don't play SC from the small blind unless you are confident that you can outplay the opposition postflop.

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much better imo [img]/images/graemlins/tongue.gif[/img]

Re: OMG I played this one bad. 25NL

Other factors include price to play them, primary villian's postflop aggro and stack size (since implied odds are important here), and number of players.

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Other factors include price to play them, primary villian's postflop aggro and stack size (since implied odds are important here), and number of players.

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Agreed.

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Other factors include price to play them, primary villian's postflop aggro and stack size (since implied odds are important here), and number of players.

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Agreed.

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Thank you all for your replys. Playing a draw OOP is hard and I try to improve that part of my game atm. That gets me into weird hands like this sometimes.

I agree the turn lead is a little weak. I tried to make it big enough for him not to come in over the top, and at the same time disguising my FD a little.

As it turned out, villain called me with AA and then cursed me for the next 30min...:-) I don't think he played it well either, he should have put more pressure on me at the turn....and fold to my allin river bet. No?

With the flush and the straight draw out there, he had to realize that he only had 1 pair and let his bullets go.

-Ernie S. Irwin

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Thank you all for your replys. Playing a draw OOP is hard and I try to improve that part of my game atm.

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You could just improve it by not doing it...

Seriously, you'll get plenty of good drawing hands in position, why not simply wait for them?

As played, nh, although I agree about betting more on the flop and turn. No idea what villain was thinking [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]

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Thank you all for your replys. Playing a draw OOP is hard and I try to improve that part of my game atm.

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You could just improve it by not doing it...

Seriously, you'll get plenty of good drawing hands in position, why not simply wait for them?

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because you'll be leaving money on the table

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Thank you all for your replys. Playing a draw OOP is hard and I try to improve that part of my game atm.

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You could just improve it by not doing it...

Seriously, you'll get plenty of good drawing hands in position, why not simply wait for them?

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because you'll be leaving money on the table

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He might be. Then again he might be saving money he would have lost. I agree that various factors come in to this (as pointed out by you and others upthread) and your postflop edge may be enough to show a profit on this type of hand.
However, I doubt it's a big mistake, if it is a mistake, just to always fold these hands to a raise. Several writers are very strong on not building drawing hands OOP in NL - eg Reuben & Ciaffone.

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don't play SC from the SB - fold preflop.

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I think its pretty good advice, avoiding drawing hands oop. Definatly a good idea if your learning.

After buying tracker software, I found that the small blind is my only losing position. And I was giving away half of what I was earning on the button. I tightend right up, no more throwing in half a bet with 75s because its cheap, and got it close to break even.

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Maybe the problem isn't that you're playing 75s for half a blind, the problem is you're playing it badly.

In this particular hand I went with my read (villain overpair), and that makes the turn and river play OK, I think.

I feel worse about my flop call than my preflop call, though. I guess the right play would have been betting flop harder/fold if raised.

Re: OMG I played this one bad. 25NL

I think that in this situation you should have laid down your SC pre-flop. You have a solid player putting in a big raise with position. It's unlikely that you will flop anything that will allow you to continue past the flop so your call is just giving your opponent more money.

In the SB I like to use suited connectors to change up my play. I will alternate between raises, calls, and folds almost evenly if no one else has been aggressive. I don't like to play them against aggression because it's more unlikely that I can steal a big pot with a bluff.