*Official* HSP 8/21
 

Let the games begin.

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Doyle's enormous chip stack rules. How much does he have in front of him?

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What? Eli has the best hand with a weak ace? Is the card display wrong or is the announcing just wrong?

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What? Eli has the best hand with a weak ace? Is the card display wrong or is the announcing just wrong?

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Either Gabe simply misspoke or there was a bad editing job done (or both - that mistake should have been caught). Given that the commentary is done AFTER editing, then the commentators are relying on the same card information we are.

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EDog is my hero.

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EDog is my hero.

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Your hero wears an ugly shirt.

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i hate running it twice. i want to see ppl go busto. ahhhhh

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I see in the previews that Ted Forrest shows up next week. I'm looking forward to that. I enjoy watching him play.

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What? Eli has the best hand with a weak ace? Is the card display wrong or is the announcing just wrong?

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I think he meant the best hand of the remaining players after Gus bet into the big field.

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What? Eli has the best hand with a weak ace? Is the card display wrong or is the announcing just wrong?

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I think he meant the best hand of the remaining players after Gus bet into the big field.

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This is exactly what he meant, though I admit, it was confusing.

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"I have to apologize to you Ted."

"For what, Doyle?"

"I called you an idiot on national tv."

"Yeah, I saw that."

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Other than Gus' overpair against Lindgren's big draw, this was a pretty uneventful show, imo.

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What? Eli has the best hand with a weak ace? Is the card display wrong or is the announcing just wrong?

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I think he meant the best hand of the remaining players after Gus bet into the big field.

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This is exactly what he meant, though I admit, it was confusing.

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No, he explicitly miscalled their hands.

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Other than Gus' overpair against Lindgren's big draw, this was a pretty uneventful show, imo.

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Yeah, IMO, I think they waste too much time showing people hollywood before folding. I'm not sure what the solution is, since it would be lame if every time they showed somebody think about calling, they called. Still, it's lame to sit there and watch a player think for a coule minutes before folding 3rd pair.

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I thought Gus betting pot on the river with JT and trips was an interesting move. I was thinking check/call, since there were missed draws. DN can't fold a better hand and probably folds worse. Then again, maybe Gus read him as tilting and thought the payoff wizard would strike again.

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"I have to apologize to you Ted."

"For what, Doyle?"

"I called you an idiot on national tv."

"Yeah, I saw that."

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That was funny. Best part of this week's show.

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I thought Gus betting pot on the river with JT and trips was an interesting move. I was thinking check/call, since there were missed draws. DN can't fold a better hand and probably folds worse. Then again, maybe Gus read him as tilting and thought the payoff wizard would strike again.

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It was risky, but in line with his aggressive game plan. I think he really thought he was chopping or barely winning, and thought there was a decent chance Daniel would lay down the same hand if he bet.

Obviously though, he was risking having to fold to a raise.

I would have check/called, for sure.

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"I have to apologize to you Ted."

"For what, Doyle?"

"I called you an idiot on national tv."

"Yeah, I saw that."

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That was funny. Best part of this week's show.

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Agreed. It was made even better because of Doyle's drawl. I gotta appologize to yooooouu.

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Does anyone know what makes up the prop bets the players are tracking?

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Does anyone know what makes up the prop bets the players are tracking?

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Yeah, Gabe was saying the producers should squash the prop bets in the next season, but I think they're fine. They should just make them less mysterious. I've never seen somebody hold a menu of prop bets before. What's on that menu?

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Does anyone know what makes up the prop bets the players are tracking?

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Yeah, Gabe was saying the producers should squash the prop bets in the next season, but I think they're fine. They should just make them less mysterious. I've never seen somebody hold a menu of prop bets before. What's on that menu?

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I think in the last episode I heard Doyle say something which suggested one of the props was betting on the ranks of the cards on each flop. Doyle had something like 9,5,2 and Eli had something like T,5,4.

I'm sure there are many more props.

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forrest took hansen's chair.. gus is leaving already?

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Does anyone know what makes up the prop bets the players are tracking?

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Daniel gives a pretty thorough explanation of the props in his blog.

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forrest took hansen's chair.. gus is leaving already?

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Gus looked like he was striking up a conversation with the barmaid during the previews when they show Forrest walking in! LOL

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forrest took hansen's chair.. gus is leaving already?

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He seemed pretty intent on tapping one of those cocktail servers. He won a monster. Time to lay some pipe.

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I loved AJ Benza on John Juanda: "He looks like the bad man from the James Bond films." And he so does.

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I loved AJ Benza on John Juanda: "He looks like the bad man from the James Bond films." And he so does.

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I never knew Juanda was a high ball big time large balla. What was with his interview when he said something about how he was willing to play because they were playing high stakes. Something about how the game was big enough to suit him.

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What? Eli has the best hand with a weak ace? Is the card display wrong or is the announcing just wrong?

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He mispoke and not only that but later on he miscalled again on another hand. It was kind of odd since they only do this after the taping. Another odd thing in this show were the percent graphics showing both Gus and Daniel at 0% while the other 2 or 3 had some percentages there on the J hand. It was only after everyone folded to them that the 100% tie graphic popped up. That was simply a piss poor job of producing.

Overall this episode lacked any real oomph but it may be a bridge to a more high stakes style of play with Juanda, Grey and Lindgren sitting down. After all, Lindgren's call of another $105,000 on his first hand with only a draw was something that almost no one else on this show has done. Shows that he has a lot of gamble and that makes for good TV.

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What? Eli has the best hand with a weak ace? Is the card display wrong or is the announcing just wrong?

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He mispoke and not only that but later on he miscalled again on another hand. It was kind of odd since they only do this after the taping. Another odd thing in this show were the percent graphics showing both Gus and Daniel at 0% while the other 2 or 3 had some percentages there on the J hand. It was only after everyone folded to them that the 100% tie graphic popped up. That was simply a piss poor job of producing.

Overall this episode lacked any real oomph but it may be a bridge to a more high stakes style of play with Juanda, Grey and Lindgren sitting down. After all, Lindgren's call of another $105,000 on his first hand with only a draw was something that almost no one else on this show has done. Shows that he has a lot of gamble and that makes for good TV.

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I do sorta agree with what somebody else said about running it twice. I do like watching the action in true form. If they really run it twice, then I like to see them run it twice. On the other hand, it would be more interesting if they weren't given that option. Several times running it twice has split the pot. Without that option, we'd have seen some people lose some massive pots, which would probably either result in:

1) them busting and moping away from the table to be replaced, or

2) them tilting from losing such a monster.

Like, what if EDog had lost that beast?

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I would rather watch real high stakes poker, then "better tv"

Real high stakes poker involves running it twice, insurance, prop bets, and mixed games a lot of the time. To make it "better tv" by taking out the running it twice option, you might as well call it the World High Stakes Poker Tour.

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Where was the 2AM replay tonight? Now I gotta wait until tomorrow for the torrent =/

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Where was the 2AM replay tonight?

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Yeah, WTF? I don't have the chance to watch the earlier one, so this week I missed out.

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He mispoke and not only that but later on he miscalled again on another hand. It was kind of odd since they only do this after the taping. Another odd thing in this show were the percent graphics showing both Gus and Daniel at 0% while the other 2 or 3 had some percentages there on the J hand. It was only after everyone folded to them that the 100% tie graphic popped up. That was simply a piss poor job of producing.

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They rounded up the percentages so it's 101% but that's about it.

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What? Eli has the best hand with a weak ace? Is the card display wrong or is the announcing just wrong?

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I think he meant the best hand of the remaining players after Gus bet into the big field.

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This is exactly what he meant, though I admit, it was confusing.

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No, he explicitly miscalled their hands.

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Wow, are you annoying. Trust me - he was referring to the fact that Eli had the best hand of what was remaining. Do you honestly think that with 5 people in the production booth and the graphics up while he's announcing that he would make that mistake? If you think yes, I can't argue with you - you're just too dumb to be argued with.

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Gabe's commentating seemed to be at an all-time annoying high last night. Specifically, when he was he was comparing Eli's (I believe it was Eli) bet to a football game beer vendor - “KING HIGH FLUSH HERE, GET YOUR KING HIGH FLUSH HERE, ETC., ETC.” - he frikkin did that for a solid 30 seconds non-stop! OK, we get it, ha ha, good one, now STFU.

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Gabe's commentating seemed to be at an all-time annoying high last night. Specifically, when he was he was comparing Eli's (I believe it was Eli) bet to a football game beer vendor - “KING HIGH FLUSH HERE, GET YOUR KING HIGH FLUSH HERE, ETC., ETC.” - he frikkin did that for a solid 30 seconds non-stop! OK, we get it, ha ha, good one, now STFU.

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It was Amnon (sp.) and he was referring to how obvious he made his hand look. It did get old quick though.

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What? Eli has the best hand with a weak ace? Is the card display wrong or is the announcing just wrong?

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I think he meant the best hand of the remaining players after Gus bet into the big field.

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This is exactly what he meant, though I admit, it was confusing.

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No, he explicitly miscalled their hands.

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Trust me - he was referring to the fact that Eli had the best hand of what was remaining.

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This is clearly what he was saying.

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Does anyone know what makes up the prop bets the players are tracking?

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Yeah, Gabe was saying the producers should squash the prop bets in the next season, but I think they're fine. They should just make them less mysterious. I've never seen somebody hold a menu of prop bets before. What's on that menu?

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Yeah, they should let the audience know what the prop bets are so we can follow the action, it would be kinda cool.

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He mispoke and not only that but later on he miscalled again on another hand. It was kind of odd since they only do this after the taping. Another odd thing in this show were the percent graphics showing both Gus and Daniel at 0% while the other 2 or 3 had some percentages there on the J hand. It was only after everyone folded to them that the 100% tie graphic popped up. That was simply a piss poor job of producing.

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They rounded up the percentages so it's 101% but that's about it.

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They must have had that first shot on screen for only a second because I missed it. The second shot showing no tie and 0% was on screen for most of the time.

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What? Eli has the best hand with a weak ace? Is the card display wrong or is the announcing just wrong?

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I think he meant the best hand of the remaining players after Gus bet into the big field.

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This is exactly what he meant, though I admit, it was confusing.

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No, he explicitly miscalled their hands.

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Wow, are you annoying. Trust me - he was referring to the fact that Eli had the best hand of what was remaining. Do you honestly think that with 5 people in the production booth and the graphics up while he's announcing that he would make that mistake? If you think yes, I can't argue with you - you're just too dumb to be argued with.

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Yes, we can honestly believe that he made this mistake (and one other during this show) because it was pretty obvious. Maybe the producers decided to let it stand as a way to make things appear more "real"? As far as re-editing goes, just look at the 2002 WSOP ME that Varkoni won and Gabe called. They still haven't re-edited that one to fix the blatant editing sequence blunders.