What\'s the Right Move Here? Final Table of $20K Guaranteed $3R
 

The BB has been very aggressive and doing alot of restealing, especially against me since there were about 16 players left. Everytime I raised and he played back at me previously, I had folded. Is this a push, call, or fold in your opinion?

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t60000 (8 handed) internettexasholdem.com

BB (t2235642)
UTG (t1332163)
UTG+1 (t2014088)
MP1 (t1109802)
Hero (t991644)
CO (t1045360)
Button (t649454)
SB (t3125347)

Preflop: Hero is MP2 with Q[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img].
<font color="#666666">3 folds</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises to t180000</font>, <font color="#666666">3 folds</font>, <font color="#CC3333">BB raises to t480000</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero ??

Re: What\'s the Right Move Here? Final Table of $20K Guaranteed $3R
 

When he restole before, did he make these small reraises or did he put you all-in? If this is his standard restealraise I would shove my chips in his face.

Re: What\'s the Right Move Here? Final Table of $20K Guaranteed $3R
 

I think folding is out of the question. You can't continue to be pushed around, especially with very solid hands.

The most logical move, to me, would be to push. Depending upon how he's reacted in the past to someone pushing back (and any hands he's shown down after re-raising), I might consider calling, then pushing. I wouldn't do this in this case, because he will probably push regardless of the flop, with half your chips already in the pot. I don't think it makes sense to put half your chips in the pot with a hand that will probably miss the flop, then fold to a bet.

Re: What\'s the Right Move Here? Final Table of $20K Guaranteed $3R
 

The raise he made here was his standard raise every time. He never once put it all in. Also, no one up until that point had played back at him since it was always for all of their chips and most players were trying to grind it out until the final table. I would be the first player making a stand.

Re: What\'s the Right Move Here? Final Table of $20K Guaranteed $3R
 

[ QUOTE ]
The raise he made here was his standard raise every time. He never once put it all in. Also, no one up until that point had played back at him since it was always for all of their chips and most players were trying to grind it out until the final table. I would be the first player making a stand.

[/ QUOTE ]

You would have to put villian on Level 3 thinking here to run a "now we are at the FT I need to act loose with my next monster hand to get paid off" trap. 3 bet AI. If he actually has a hand, sorry, but that's poker.

Re: What\'s the Right Move Here? Final Table of $20K Guaranteed $3R
 

[ QUOTE ]
The raise he made here was his standard raise every time. He never once put it all in. Also, no one up until that point had played back at him since it was always for all of their chips and most players were trying to grind it out until the final table. I would be the first player making a stand.

[/ QUOTE ]

All you can eat, baby.

Re: What\'s the Right Move Here? Final Table of $20K Guaranteed $3R
 

I'm moving in here given the situation.

Re: What\'s the Right Move Here? Final Table of $20K Guaranteed $3R
 

Shove...

Re: What\'s the Right Move Here? Final Table of $20K Guaranteed $3R
 

The blinds were 30/60k right? Something like 100+ k in the pot before any cards are out? 10% boost or more to your stack to take whats in the middle? You got around a million, you have a great hand, why not instead of 3x raise raise half your stack knowing you will call any push or just open push all in? The blinds and antes at this point you should be glad to take down without a showdown.

Re: What\'s the Right Move Here? Final Table of $20K Guaranteed $3R
 

[ QUOTE ]
The blinds were 30/60k right? Something like 100+ k in the pot before any cards are out? 10% boost or more to your stack to take whats in the middle? You got around a million, you have a great hand, why not instead of 3x raise raise half your stack knowing you will call any push or just open push all in? The blinds and antes at this point you should be glad to take down without a showdown.

[/ QUOTE ]

Because if the other guy has been restealing against you aggressively, and you've been folding to his aggression, why not make him think you have a hand that you're capable of raise/folding again, as opposed to raising so much that he only gives you action when he has a hand better than yours?

Re: What\'s the Right Move Here? Final Table of $20K Guaranteed $3R
 

[ QUOTE ]
[ QUOTE ]
The blinds were 30/60k right? Something like 100+ k in the pot before any cards are out? 10% boost or more to your stack to take whats in the middle? You got around a million, you have a great hand, why not instead of 3x raise raise half your stack knowing you will call any push or just open push all in? The blinds and antes at this point you should be glad to take down without a showdown.

[/ QUOTE ]

Because if the other guy has been restealing against you aggressively, and you've been folding to his aggression, why not make him think you have a hand that you're capable of raise/folding again, as opposed to raising so much that he only gives you action when he has a hand better than yours?

[/ QUOTE ]

Well I could see this if our Hero was on the button with said villain in the BB with his hand, but here he's in MP.

Re: What\'s the Right Move Here? Final Table of $20K Guaranteed $3R
 

Hero is the Hijack here, 8 handed. I shove this back in his face a gambool. AQo is good enough here to shove and you need chips seeing you are 7/8. If I'm villian, I'm calling your shove with anything reasonable. I dont need a hand to reraise you but I do need something better than 72o to call here.

Re: What\'s the Right Move Here? Final Table of $20K Guaranteed $3R
 

[ QUOTE ]
The blinds were 30/60k right? Something like 100+ k in the pot before any cards are out? 10% boost or more to your stack to take whats in the middle? You got around a million, you have a great hand, why not instead of 3x raise raise half your stack knowing you will call any push or just open push all in? The blinds and antes at this point you should be glad to take down without a showdown.

[/ QUOTE ]

I always feel like open pushing for that many chips shows weakness and then people with hands like 88 or so call assuming they have a race as their worst case scenario. I wasnt severely short stacked, nor was I that far back from most of the pack, so I didn't feel that open shoving was the right move here.

Re: What\'s the Right Move Here? Final Table of $20K Guaranteed $3R
 

[ QUOTE ]
[ QUOTE ]
The blinds were 30/60k right? Something like 100+ k in the pot before any cards are out? 10% boost or more to your stack to take whats in the middle? You got around a million, you have a great hand, why not instead of 3x raise raise half your stack knowing you will call any push or just open push all in? The blinds and antes at this point you should be glad to take down without a showdown.

[/ QUOTE ]

I always feel like open pushing for that many chips shows weakness and then people with hands like 88 or so call assuming they have a race as their worst case scenario. I wasnt severely short stacked, nor was I that far back from most of the pack, so I didn't feel that open shoving was the right move here.

[/ QUOTE ]

Well think of it this way, if you raise 3x there, 88 shoves it in. You fold? Or do you call? Now instead, you just open shove, 88 still might call, but then again he might fold, hes put to the decision, not you. Which would you rather be?

Re: What\'s the Right Move Here? Final Table of $20K Guaranteed $3R
 

[ QUOTE ]
[ QUOTE ]
[ QUOTE ]
The blinds were 30/60k right? Something like 100+ k in the pot before any cards are out? 10% boost or more to your stack to take whats in the middle? You got around a million, you have a great hand, why not instead of 3x raise raise half your stack knowing you will call any push or just open push all in? The blinds and antes at this point you should be glad to take down without a showdown.

[/ QUOTE ]

I always feel like open pushing for that many chips shows weakness and then people with hands like 88 or so call assuming they have a race as their worst case scenario. I wasnt severely short stacked, nor was I that far back from most of the pack, so I didn't feel that open shoving was the right move here.

[/ QUOTE ]

Well think of it this way, if you raise 3x there, 88 shoves it in. You fold? Or do you call? Now instead, you just open shove, 88 still might call, but then again he might fold, hes put to the decision, not you. Which would you rather be?

[/ QUOTE ]

To be honest, with the amount of chips I had and with the decent read I had on most of the players at the table, I'd rather be the one to decide simply b/c there were a few that if they moved in, I was insta calling and 2 of them I would have folded in a heartbeat b/c they were locked boxes.