Moved to $22: End game problems
 

Over ~500 $11pp sngs I've achieved a 38% ITM and 18.5% ROI. Not bad I thought and once my bankroll hit 1K I figured why not give the 22s a shot. So I have a very small sample size so I might be getting ahead of myself but I do have some observations I was hoping the esteemed forum might lend a hand with.

First off I'm getting ITM ~34% and feeling good about my bubble play, etc... In some ways I feel more comfortable with it as I can identify those who are likely to fold to my allins more often etc... and I'm able to put the villians on ranges of hands more accurately. I've gone through my hand with SNGPT and my pushbotting/calling is very +EV with the only possible leak being that I make too many marginal pushes but they are still +EV.

The problem I'm having is playing once I get ITM. I'm getting hosed once its down to 3 players. The people I'm up against seem to be able to handle the standard aggression I've used at the 11s for a good amount of 1st place finishes. I pwn the final 3 at the 11s.

Any advise as to where I can start looking for leaks or general end game strategy?

Cheers,
Kibby

Re: Moved to $22: End game problems
 

I suggest posting an endgame where you entered 3 handed with ~equal stacks and like 200/400 blinds and ended up busting in 3rd.

Re: Moved to $22: End game problems
 

Yes - post an endgame HH and we'll see what your problems are.

Re: Moved to $22: End game problems
 

How many 22's have you played so far? Maybe you've just run into better hands/players over a relatively small sample size? i.e. short term variance?

Re: Moved to $22: End game problems
 

~50 and yes, I agree to could be but I'm not feeling as good about them. I'm not getting the same kind of reactions I'm used to in the end game.

working on those hand histories. . . I love work

Re: Moved to $22: End game problems
 

PartyPoker $22 Speed Tournament, Big Blind is t600 (3 handed) Converter on pregopoker.com

Hero (t5710)
SB (t6895)
BB (t7395)

Preflop: Hero is in Button with 6[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 5[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]
<font color="gray">Hero folds</font>, SB calls t300, BB checks

Flop: (t1200) Q[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 9[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 8[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (2 players)
SB checks, BB checks

Turn: (t1200) 4[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (2 players)
SB checks, BB checks

River: (t1200) J[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (2 players)
<font color="red">SB bets t600</font>, BB calls t600

Re: Moved to $22: End game problems
 

This hand is fine.
The $22's are not much harder than the $11's. Your either running hot a thte $11's or running bad at the $22's. Or perhaps playing with scared money.

Re: Moved to $22: End game problems
 

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PartyPoker $22 Speed Tournament, Big Blind is t600 (3 handed) Converter on pregopoker.com

Hero (t5710)
SB (t6895)
BB (t7395)

Preflop: Hero is in Button with 6[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 5[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]
<font color="gray">Hero folds</font>, SB calls t300, BB checks

Flop: (t1200) Q[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 9[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 8[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (2 players)
SB checks, BB checks

Turn: (t1200) 4[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (2 players)
SB checks, BB checks

River: (t1200) J[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (2 players)
<font color="red">SB bets t600</font>, BB calls t600

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Standard. When you have around 10bb on the button 3-handed its either push/fold. I'm pretty tight in this spot, probably A9+, 66+, KQs. All dependent on reads of their calling ranges.

Re: Moved to $22: End game problems
 

Aight, here's an end game series. The converter doesn't seem to be getting all the details though. Could I be doing something wrong?

PartyPoker $22 Speed Tournament, Big Blind is t600 (3 handed) Converter on pregopoker.com

Button (t8133)
SB (t8805)
Hero (t3062)

Preflop: Hero is in BB with K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 4[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]
<font color="gray">Button folds</font>, SB calls t300, Hero checks

Flop: (t1200) 4[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 5[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] Q[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (2 players)
SB checks, <font color="red">Hero bets t600</font>, <font color="gray">SB folds</font>

PartyPoker $22 Speed Tournament, Big Blind is t600 (3 handed) Converter on pregopoker.com

Button (t8205)
Hero (t3662)
BB (t8133)

Preflop: Hero is in SB with 5[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 4[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]
<font color="gray">Hero folds</font>, <font color="gray">BB folds</font>

PartyPoker $22 Speed Tournament, Big Blind is t600 (3 handed) Converter on pregopoker.com

Hero (t3362)
SB (t7533)
BB (t9105)

Preflop: Hero is in Button with 5[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 5[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]
<font color="gray">SB folds</font>, <font color="gray">BB folds</font>

PartyPoker $22 Speed Tournament, Big Blind is t600 (3 handed) Converter on pregopoker.com

Button (t7233)
SB (t8505)
Hero (t4262)

Preflop: Hero is in BB with 4[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]
<font color="gray">Button folds</font>, <font color="gray">SB folds</font>

PartyPoker $22 Speed Tournament, Big Blind is t600 (3 handed) Converter on pregopoker.com

Button (t8205)
Hero (t4562)
BB (t7233)

Preflop: Hero is in SB with 8[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] T[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]
<font color="gray">Button folds</font>, Hero calls t300, <font color="gray">Hero folds</font>

PartyPoker $22 Speed Tournament, Big Blind is t600 (3 handed) Converter on pregopoker.com

Hero (t3962)
SB (t7833)
BB (t8205)

Preflop: Hero is in Button with 2[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 9[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]
<font color="gray">Hero folds</font>, <font color="gray">SB folds</font>

PartyPoker $22 Speed Tournament, Big Blind is t600 (3 handed) Converter on pregopoker.com

Button (t7533)
SB (t8505)
Hero (t3962)

Preflop: Hero is in BB with 4[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 8[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]
<font color="gray">SB folds</font>, <font color="gray">Hero folds</font>

PartyPoker $22 Speed Tournament, Big Blind is t600 (3 handed) Converter on pregopoker.com

Button (t8205)
Hero (t3362)
BB (t8433)

Preflop: Hero is in SB with A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] J[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]
<font color="gray">Button folds</font>, BB calls t2762

Flop: (t3662) 7[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 2[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (2 players)


Turn: (t3662) K[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (2 players)


River: (t3662) 4[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (2 players)


Results in gray below:
<font color="#f7f7f7">Hero has Ad, Jd (a pair of kings)</font>
<font color="#f7f7f7">BB has Kd, Jc (a flush, king high)</font>

Re: Moved to $22: End game problems
 

Another end game

Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t600 (3 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: 2+2 Forums)

saw flop|<font color="#C00000">saw showdown</font>

BB (t11970)
<font color="#C00000">Button (t2742)</font>
<font color="#C00000">Hero (t5288)</font>

Preflop: Hero is SB with 7[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img].
Button calls [t2742] , Hero completes, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>.

Flop: (t3342) Q[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 5[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], T[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>

Turn: (t3342) T[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>

River: (t3342) 2[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>

Final Pot: t3342
<font color="#009B00">Main Pot: t3342 (t3342), between Button and Hero.</font> &gt; <font color="#FFFFFF">Pot won by Button (t3342).</font>

Results in white below: <font color="#FFFFFF">
Button has 9d Ad (one pair, tens).
Hero has 7d Ah (one pair, tens).
Outcome: Button wins t3342. </font>

Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t600 (3 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: 2+2 Forums)

saw flop|<font color="#C00000">saw showdown</font>

SB (t11370)
<font color="#C00000">BB (t6084)</font>
<font color="#C00000">Hero (t2546)</font>

Preflop: Hero is Button with 9[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 9[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img].
Hero calls [t2546] , <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, BB calls t1946.

Flop: (t2846) A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 6[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>

Turn: (t2846) J[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>

River: (t2846) T[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>

Final Pot: t2846
<font color="#009B00">Main Pot: t2846 (t2846), between BB and Hero.</font> &gt; <font color="#FFFFFF">Pot won by BB (t2846).</font>

Results in white below: <font color="#FFFFFF">
BB has 4c Tc (two pair, aces and tens).
Hero has 9s 9h (two pair, aces and nines).
Outcome: BB wins t2846. </font>

Re: Moved to $22: End game problems
 

I think the HHs are screwed up because I'm exporting from PT

Re: Moved to $22: End game problems
 

K4 hand - push pf.
54 hand - push pf.
55 hand - push pf
8T hand - fold pf most of the time. I might push if he was tight.

Your missing a lot of pushes here, especially from the SB, and also pushing ATC over a SB complete. The hand histories are pretty screwed though making it hard for me to understand a lot of the hands.

Re: Moved to $22: End game problems
 

Hand converter seems to have missed of the pushes, all seems ok though. bad luck on the last hand.

Don't like calling in the SB with such a short stack, if I'm putting any chips in I'll push. Just seems too likely that BB will push over the top IMO. What do other people do in this situation is it still push/fold, maybe limp with monsters?

Re: Moved to $22: End game problems
 

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K4 hand - push pf.
54 hand - push pf.
55 hand - push pf
8T hand - fold pf most of the time. I might push if he was tight.
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54 hand button already pushed, look at the stack sizes on the next hand
55 hand was pushed i think.

Re: Moved to $22: End game problems
 

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K4 hand - push pf.
54 hand - push pf.
55 hand - push pf
8T hand - fold pf most of the time. I might push if he was tight.
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54 hand button already pushed, look at the stack sizes on the next hand
55 hand was pushed i think.

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My bad. K4 should definitely be pushed, as should the T8 I'm thinking now.

Re: Moved to $22: End game problems
 

54s push in that situation? that was unexpected. and ya, the HHs are screwed up because I'm exporting from PT and losing alot of the detail. I just realized that the reason I don't have good info in my HHs that PP gives is because the names of the txt files are all the same being speed tournies. wtf.

anyone know a good way of dealing with the gmail formatting problems with tournament summaries?

Re: Moved to $22: End game problems
 

I didn't realize button pushed in the 54 hand. If he folds its an easy push.

Re: Moved to $22: End game problems
 

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54s push in that situation?

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Open push it yes, I think in your HH and BTN had already push so def fold. I prefer to push 54s than K4o, more chance of two live cards if you get called. I am pretty stupid tho.

Re: Moved to $22: End game problems
 

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54s push in that situation?

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Open push it yes, I think in your HH and BTN had already push so def fold. I prefer to push 54s than K4o, more chance of two live cards if you get called. I am pretty stupid tho.

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Not pushing the K4 hand is pretty weak, unless you had done it a lot before and thought SB might be limp trapping. I'll push ATC in this spot.

Re: Moved to $22: End game problems
 

OK, found a HHs with more detail from this morning.
F-party poker and their speed naming problem. I didn't realize how much of a problem this was creating until I tried to review my HHs.

I'm definitely not sure if I should have called the allin on the end and I'm sure I should have raised preflop instead of trying to get tricky with TT.

PartyPoker $22 Speed Tournament, Big Blind is t600 (5 handed) Converter on pregopoker.com

Hero (t6410)
CO (t3145)
Button (t2248)
SB (t1416)
BB (t6781)

Preflop: Hero is in UTG with 7[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] Q[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]
<font color="gray">Hero folds</font>, <font color="gray">CO folds</font>, <font color="red">Button raises to t2248 (All-in)</font>, <font color="gray">SB folds</font>, BB calls t1648

Flop: (t4796) 9[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 2[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 9[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (2 players)


Turn: (t4796) 6[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (2 players)


River: (t4796) 2[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (2 players)


Results in gray below:
<font color="#f7f7f7">BB has 6s, As (two pairs, nines and sixes)</font>
<font color="#f7f7f7">Button has 4d, 3d (two pairs, nines and twos)</font>

PartyPoker $22 Speed Tournament, Big Blind is t600 (4 handed) Converter on pregopoker.com

CO (t3145)
Button (t1116)
SB (t9329)
Hero (t6410)

Preflop: Hero is in BB with 3[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] T[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]
<font color="gray">CO folds</font>, <font color="gray">Button folds</font>, SB calls t300, Hero checks

Flop: (t1200) 7[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] J[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (2 players)
<font color="red">SB bets t600</font>, <font color="gray">Hero folds</font>

PartyPoker $22 Speed Tournament, Big Blind is t600 (4 handed) Converter on pregopoker.com

CO (t1116)
Button (t9929)
Hero (t5810)
BB (t3145)

Preflop: Hero is in SB with 3[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 9[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]
<font color="gray">CO folds</font>, <font color="gray">Button folds</font>, <font color="red">Hero raises to t5810 (All-in)</font>, <font color="gray">BB folds</font>

PartyPoker $22 Speed Tournament, Big Blind is t600 (4 handed) Converter on pregopoker.com

CO (t9929)
Hero (t6410)
SB (t2545)
BB (t1116)

Preflop: Hero is in Button with 9[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 2[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]
<font color="red">CO raises to t1200</font>, <font color="gray">Hero folds</font>, <font color="gray">SB folds</font>, BB calls t1116 (All-in)

Flop: (t3216) A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] Q[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 5[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (2 players)


Turn: (t3216) 4[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (2 players)


River: (t3216) 9[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (2 players)


Results in gray below:
<font color="#f7f7f7">CO has Ad, Th (a pair of aces)</font>
<font color="#f7f7f7">BB has Qc, Kh (a pair of queens)</font>

PartyPoker $22 Speed Tournament, Big Blind is t600 (3 handed) Converter on pregopoker.com

There is no Small Blind in this hand as the Big Blind of the previous hand left the table.

Hero (t6410)
Button (t2245)
BB (t11345)

Preflop: Hero is in UTG with K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 7[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]
Hero calls t600, <font color="gray">Button folds</font>, BB checks

Flop: (t1200) 2[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 4[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 6[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (2 players)
BB checks, Hero checks

Turn: (t1200) 6[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (2 players)
BB checks, <font color="red">Hero bets t600</font>, <font color="gray">BB folds</font>

PartyPoker $22 Speed Tournament, Big Blind is t600 (3 handed) Converter on pregopoker.com

Button (t10745)
Hero (t7010)
BB (t2245)

Preflop: Hero is in SB with Q[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 8[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]
<font color="red">Button raises to t1957</font>, <font color="gray">Hero folds</font>, <font color="red">BB raises to t2245 (All-in)</font>, Button calls t288

Flop: (t5390) 4[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 9[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 5[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (2 players)


Turn: (t5390) K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (2 players)


River: (t5390) 9[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (2 players)


Results in gray below:
<font color="#f7f7f7">Button has 5c, As (two pairs, nines and fives)</font>
<font color="#f7f7f7">BB has Ts, Ad (a pair of nines)</font>

PartyPoker $22 Speed Tournament, Big Blind is t600 (2 handed) Converter on pregopoker.com

Hero (t6710)
BB (t13290)

Preflop: Hero is in Button with 6[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 8[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]
Hero calls t300, BB checks

Flop: (t1200) 2[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] Q[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 5[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (2 players)
<font color="red">BB bets t600</font>, <font color="gray">Hero folds</font>

PartyPoker $22 Speed Tournament, Big Blind is t600 (2 handed) Converter on pregopoker.com

Button (t13890)
Hero (t6110)

Preflop: Hero is in BB with T[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] T[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]
Button calls t300, Hero checks

Flop: (t1200) 3[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 2[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] J[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (2 players)
Hero checks, <font color="red">Button bets t600</font>, <font color="red">Hero raises to t1400</font>, <font color="red">Button raises to t12690 (All-in)</font>, Hero calls t4110 (All-in)

Turn: (t20000) 5[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (2 players)


River: (t20000) Q[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (2 players)


Results in gray below:
<font color="#f7f7f7">Hero has Tc, Td (a pair of tens)</font>
<font color="#f7f7f7">Button has Jd, Th (a pair of jacks)</font>

Re: Moved to $22: End game problems
 

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Not pushing the K4 hand is pretty weak, unless you had done it a lot before and thought SB might be limp trapping. I'll push ATC in this spot.

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I didn't say I won't push K4o, I think that was a missed oppourtunity. I to would probably push ATC in this situation however I'd like to see two live cards if i'm called.

I find the more a push the large villians calling range becomes. After about three pushes I find some of them will call with any one face card, probably just getting annoyed with me. Anyone else find this?

Re: Moved to $22: End game problems
 

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The problem I'm having is playing once I get ITM. I'm getting hosed once its down to 3 players.

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It looks like you're missing a few pushes that have been pointed out already. Also there was a bad beat or two if I can recall correctly, which you can't do anything about.

Anyway, I feel your pain. Over the last month I am placing in an inordinate amount of 3rds and it's driving me crazy.

Keep posting hands, it helps us all.

Re: Moved to $22: End game problems
 

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I find the more a push the large villians calling range becomes. After about three pushes I find some of them will call with any one face card, probably just getting annoyed with me.

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Definitely, I slow down after 3 pushes in a row and get all warm inside when I see a good hand soon after those 3 pushes .

Re: Moved to $22: End game problems
 

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Anyway, I feel your pain. Over the last month I am placing in an inordinate amount of 3rds and it's driving me crazy.


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Thirds drive me CRAZY. If I do 4 22s and place 3rd in 2 I'm losing $8. It makes me want to choke myself. [img]/images/graemlins/mad.gif[/img]

Re: Moved to $22: End game problems
 

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PartyPoker $22 Speed Tournament, Big Blind is t600 (3 handed) Converter on pregopoker.com

Hero (t5710)
SB (t6895)
BB (t7395)

Preflop: Hero is in Button with 6[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 5[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]
<font color="gray">Hero folds</font>, SB calls t300, BB checks

Flop: (t1200) Q[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 9[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 8[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (2 players)
SB checks, BB checks

Turn: (t1200) 4[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (2 players)
SB checks, BB checks

River: (t1200) J[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (2 players)
<font color="red">SB bets t600</font>, BB calls t600

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Standard. When you have around 10bb on the button 3-handed its either push/fold. I'm pretty tight in this spot, probably A9+, 66+, KQs. All dependent on reads of their calling ranges.

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Why so tight here???? I am pushing an A, any pair, any K probably and more.

But I also don't have a 30% ROI.

???


(serious question)

I am stunned at how tight you are here. Thhat can't be right can it??

Re: Moved to $22: End game problems
 

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PartyPoker $22 Speed Tournament, Big Blind is t600 (3 handed) Converter on pregopoker.com

Hero (t5710)
SB (t6895)
BB (t7395)

Preflop: Hero is in Button with 6[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 5[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]
<font color="gray">Hero folds</font>, SB calls t300, BB checks

Flop: (t1200) Q[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 9[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 8[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (2 players)
SB checks, BB checks

Turn: (t1200) 4[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (2 players)
SB checks, BB checks

River: (t1200) J[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (2 players)
<font color="red">SB bets t600</font>, BB calls t600

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Standard. When you have around 10bb on the button 3-handed its either push/fold. I'm pretty tight in this spot, probably A9+, 66+, KQs. All dependent on reads of their calling ranges.

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Why so tight here???? I am pushing an A, any pair, any K probably and more.

But I also don't have a 30% ROI.

???


(serious question)

I am stunned at how tight you are here. Thhat can't be right can it??

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Check out SNGPT. Pushing any ace any King is suicide. For example pushing A2s only becomes a good push when they call 66+,ATs+,AJo+ (which they hardly ever do). Put these stacks into SNGPT and play around with hands/calling ranges. I think you'll be suprised how tight you have to be in this spot.

Re: Moved to $22: End game problems
 

Bump. How many other people are as tight as me on the button 3 handed with all even stacks?

Re: Moved to $22: End game problems
 

meh...I don't like this.

You should've potted that turn card, he would fold most of the time. As it is, you waited until an obvious blank hits and min-raises. I'd probably push on you right there.

Completing the SB, check check minraise is NOT aggression, it's milk toast. If you're gonna bluff, do it when it looks like you might have something, like that flop and the turn. Otherwise, just fold your 6 high sb and bank some FE.

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Try this:
Cup your hands behind your chips and say
"POOOOOOSHHH" as you extend your elbows.

Shipit Holla!!!!

I would've pushed every one of these hands that wasn't already called or raised. Run all of them through SNGPT, but I think you've missed a ton of push spots in both these posts.

If you have the choice, pushing &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; calling.

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Bump. How many other people are as tight as me on the button 3 handed with all even stacks?

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Since this has ended up being the longest thread I've ever started with a bunch of posters I respect replying, I might as well keep a good thing going.

To answer your question, these situations are all about feel for me at this point. It really depends on the aggression level of my opponents had how I've been playing up until this point. To go back to basics, if they are putting in lots of raises with marginal hands I sit back and wait for a hand I feel beats their range and then give a call a shot while also pushing with the range that Jay mentioned plus a few more pairs because I play speeds and need the chips sooner than later. If they are tight and I've been tight, this is when I turn it up a bit. I make 1600 chip raises from the SB and Button with nearly any playable 2 and will fold to a reraise. This strategy has worked very well for me at the $11s but something's up at the $22s or I'm caught up in a run of cold cards.

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Bump. How many other people are as tight as me on the button 3 handed with all even stacks?

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Ya know, until last night I thought that ITM with 8-10xBB you should be pushing any A, any K from the button. I SNGEGT'd (or whatever that's called) some last night though and was shocked to discover that most of these are about 0.1% positive. Even from the SB it seemed like you should be a lot tighter than I thought. Maybe my calling ranges are too loose.

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PartyPoker $22 Speed Tournament, Big Blind is t600 (3 handed) Converter on pregopoker.com

Hero (t5710)
SB (t6895)
BB (t7395)

Preflop: Hero is in Button with 6[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 5[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]
<font color="gray">Hero folds</font>, SB calls t300, BB checks

Flop: (t1200) Q[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 9[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 8[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (2 players)
SB checks, BB checks

Turn: (t1200) 4[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (2 players)
SB checks, BB checks

River: (t1200) J[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (2 players)
<font color="red">SB bets t600</font>, BB calls t600

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Standard. When you have around 10bb on the button 3-handed its either push/fold. I'm pretty tight in this spot, probably A9+, 66+, KQs. All dependent on reads of their calling ranges.

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Why so tight here???? I am pushing an A, any pair, any K probably and more.

But I also don't have a 30% ROI.

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I am stunned at how tight you are here. Thhat can't be right can it??

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Check out SNGPT. Pushing any ace any King is suicide. For example pushing A2s only becomes a good push when they call 66+,ATs+,AJo+ (which they hardly ever do). Put these stacks into SNGPT and play around with hands/calling ranges. I think you'll be suprised how tight you have to be in this spot.

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I will check it out.

What are you pushing HU with around 10X the BB, against a typical $22 player?