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FieryJustice 08-15-2006 09:24 PM

Is pushing bad here?
 
I dont know much about the guy.

* Hand History for Game 4957140947 *****
NL Texas Hold'em 215 Buy-in Trny:27429190 Level:2 Blinds(30/60) - Tuesday, August 15, 21:17:07 ET 2006
Table Speed (Real Money)
Seat 8 is the button
Total number of players : 9
Seat 8: gormos ( 2120 )
Seat 9: KidWonder ( 1880 )
Seat 5: Pker_Thug03 ( 2390 )
Seat 6: HMR100 ( 1880 )
Seat 1: sr360rules ( 1487 )
Seat 3: IJustBluff ( 4115 )
Seat 7: LooseGoose69 ( 1543 )
Seat 2: landrew5 ( 2000 )
Seat 10: fishy4you ( 2585 )
Trny:27429190 Level:2
Blinds(30/60)
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to gormos [ Qs Qc ]
sr360rules folds.
landrew5 folds.
IJustBluff calls [60].
Pker_Thug03 folds.
HMR100 folds.
LooseGoose69 folds.
gormos raises [245].
>You have options at Speed Table!.
KidWonder folds.
fishy4you raises [390].
IJustBluff folds.
gormos ??????

cakewalk 08-15-2006 09:26 PM

Re: Is pushing bad here?
 
someone once said someone that's good never folds QQ PF. that said go allin [img]/images/graemlins/frown.gif[/img]

AnthonyV 08-15-2006 09:35 PM

Re: Is pushing bad here?
 
This depends on your assessment of a random $215 player's reraising range. Unfortunately, this is something that I can offer no input on, except for some thoughts.

His range certainly includes QQ-AA. It may include JJ and AK, and it likely does not include TT or AQ. It certainly does not include 99 or AJ.

Do you think you have any FE? Probably not.

bones 08-15-2006 09:36 PM

Re: Is pushing bad here?
 
[ QUOTE ]
someone once said someone that's good never folds QQ PF. that said go allin [img]/images/graemlins/frown.gif[/img]

[/ QUOTE ]

That is completely ridiculous. I think you're referring to FJ saying that someone good never calls with QQ preflop.

DDBeast 08-15-2006 10:13 PM

Re: Is pushing bad here?
 
I would probably see a flop and get it in on most of them.

Nyb123 08-15-2006 10:21 PM

Re: Is pushing bad here?
 
I don't think pushing there is so bad. I've seen a lot of players re-raising there with AK and smaller pairs. But some days they show up ACES and KINGS. [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]

FieryJustice 08-16-2006 11:24 AM

Re: Is pushing bad here?
 
fwiw, I pushed and he folded.

Quetzo 08-16-2006 12:47 PM

Re: Is pushing bad here?
 
Without a read this must be a fold, but then I suck a SnG's. In pratice I think I'm pushing 50 % and always against AA.

BvlyHls90210 08-16-2006 01:10 PM

Re: Is pushing bad here?
 
I play 215s and I push this. I think generally speaking it is a pretty slim spot but I just can't fold it. I just see too much weird sh$t to give them ubercredit here.

bigballz 08-16-2006 01:39 PM

Re: Is pushing bad here?
 
Obviously you can't fold here but don't push.

lacky 08-16-2006 01:59 PM

Re: Is pushing bad here?
 
I'd call with position. If no A or K hits on the flop and he has AA or KK im still going broke. But, If an A or K does hit, I can get away to a big reraise or re-reraise.

curtains 08-16-2006 02:16 PM

Re: Is pushing bad here?
 
[ QUOTE ]
Obviously you can't fold here but don't push.

[/ QUOTE ]

Fishfood4you 08-17-2006 05:12 PM

Re: Is pushing bad here?
 
Fiery this was me in the hand with you. Imo this is a bad push, from my point of view you are only getting called by a better hand aa kk at this stage of the game. I checked my histories because i couldnt recall the hand and found that i folded jj. My point being i will play aa kk the same way and probably call w kk. Good hand either way.....glad to see you won it ....Good luck

MadScientist 08-17-2006 08:11 PM

Re: Is pushing bad here?
 
On a range of AK+, rarely AQ, this is a call, evaluate flop spot since you can a see a flop so cheaply.
However, there is some chance he is a donk, who is donking it up with Ax as I have seen AJ and A5 do this at the 215s.

If he had made it a 3x reraise, I could see a fold without a read that he was a donk.
I think you are technically getting pot odds to chase a set, so call.

Jay Riall 08-17-2006 09:33 PM

Re: Is pushing bad here?
 
[ QUOTE ]
Fiery this was me in the hand with you. Imo this is a bad push, from my point of view you are only getting called by a better hand aa kk at this stage of the game. I checked my histories because i couldnt recall the hand and found that i folded jj. My point being i will play aa kk the same way and probably call w kk. Good hand either way.....glad to see you won it ....Good luck

[/ QUOTE ]\

You play your big pairs terribly fwiw.

Fishfood4you 08-17-2006 10:56 PM

Re: Is pushing bad here?
 
Explain....In my view i have a strong hand that i need to define right now. I Represent aces or kings with this reraise and if he calls the flop raise i have position. I dont see how you can fault a reraise in this spot and a fold to a push here. Opinions


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