$22: Can you fold here?
 

PartyPoker Speed Tournament, Big Blind is t40 (10 handed) Converter on pregopoker.com

UTG (t1960)
UTG+1 (t1880)
MP1 (t1760)
MP2 (t1350)
MP3 (t1940)
CO+1 (t2370)
CO (t1790)
Hero (t2640)
SB (t2310)
BB (t2000)

Preflop: SB is in Button with K[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]
<font color="gray">UTG folds</font>, <font color="gray">UTG+1 folds</font>, <font color="gray">MP1 folds</font>, <font color="gray">MP2 folds</font>, MP3 calls t40, <font color="red">CO+1 raises to t120</font>, <font color="gray">CO folds</font>, <font color="gray">Hero folds</font>, <font color="red">SB raises to t330</font>, <font color="gray">BB folds</font>, <font color="gray">MP3 folds</font>, CO+1 calls t230

Flop: (t720) T[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 7[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (2 players)
SB checks, <font color="red">CO+1 bets t780</font>, <font color="red">SB raises to t1960</font>, CO+1 calls t1180

Turn: (t4640) 9[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (2 players)


River: (t4640) J[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (2 players)

I wasn't involved in this hand but just wondering how people play it, can you fold kings when an ace flops in L1? Or do you go broke here? Anyone recommend pushing preflop?

Re: $22: Can you fold here?
 

oops read orign post wrong
yea its a fold on flop

Re: $22: Can you fold here?
 

i can fold this and i sleep fairly well

Re: $22: Can you fold here?
 

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Never fold this preflop. RR to 400. Call any push.

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i'm sure he meant, "can you fold this after the ace hits on the flop"

Re: $22: Can you fold here?
 

This is really the most standard laydown there is. Raise to 400 preflop, IMO, and c/f this flop. I'd also suggest you move down to the 10s if this is a difficult laydown for you (Ideally you'd play 5$ SNGs but the rake is huge on PPoker).

Re: $22: Can you fold here?
 

[18:17:35] &lt;DF_Newbie&gt; check out the KK thread
[18:17:45] &lt;DF_Newbie&gt; can i get away from KK when an ace flops?
[18:17:48] &lt;Oxy_&gt; ...
[18:17:51] &lt;DF_Newbie&gt; that [censored] makes me angry
[18:18:57] &lt;nuggetz87&gt; newbie
[18:19:00] &lt;nuggetz87&gt; he folded preflop

yeah, i know it's hard to believe.


edit: also read wrong [img]/images/graemlins/frown.gif[/img] fold flop obv

Re: $22: Can you fold here?
 

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This is really the most standard laydown there is. Raise to 400 preflop, IMO, and c/f this flop. I'd also suggest you move down to the 10s if this is a difficult laydown for you (Ideally you'd play 5$ SNGs but the rake is huge on PPoker).

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Read the post, I wasnt in the hand. My standard line is to fold on the flop bet but at the 22s I see so much [censored] that I beat I was wondering if it is profitable to push here. Just getting others opinions. Also, 22s players = 11s players = 6s players, there are just a few more pushbotters at the 22s than at the 11s or 6s.

Re: $22: Can you fold here?
 

If you see so much [censored] that you beat, why not c-bet and see how he reacts?

As played (checked and looking at a bet of 780), easy fold.

Re: $22: Can you fold here?
 

If I check-folded every time an over came to my PP I would be missing out on money... [img]/images/graemlins/confused.gif[/img] This hand however, was so terribly misplayed from every angle that I see no point in commenting, especially since the OP didn't play it.

Re: $22: Can you fold here?
 

c-bet is my standard line, wasnt me playing here though. I agree with your decision.

Re: $22: Can you fold here?
 

Why are you posting a hand you didn't play, especially if you already know you'd play it differently

Something reeks in the state of Denmark

Re: $22: Can you fold here?
 

Maybe its just short term thinking, UTG+1 flipped up a pair of nines and sucked out on the turn, lately I have seen a lot of non ace hands and am wondering whether not folding kings could be +EV. And no, this wasn't me.

Re: $22: Can you fold here?
 

The blinds are small and the pot is not that big on the flop so I would say easy fold on the flop.

50 % of the time I raise all-in preflop with KK and 50 % of the time I rase 15xBB pre-flop. It's unbeliveable what hands people are willing to gamble with early on.

Re: $22: Can you fold here?
 

So you folded kings preflop to a small raise? Either your terrible at poker this was a stupid joke.

Re: $22: Can you fold here?
 

The only thing I needed to see:

SB is in Button with K K

No.

Re: $22: Can you fold here?
 

There are scenarios where this play is optimal, but involves spots where the ratio of one of the stacks involved to the pot is close to 1:1. This is not the case here, so I would bet the flop and end the hand there.

Re: $22: Can you fold here?
 

I could see a cbet, a c/f, or perhaps even calling a bet on the flop here. A c/r here seems insane unless you're sure somehow you're ahead. (And I don't see how you'd know that unless you "knew" that the villain only bet &gt;PSBs if he had &lt;TP)

Re: $22: Can you fold here?
 

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Preflop: SB is in Button with K[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]


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Almost made my head pop....

Re: $22: Can you fold here?
 

C-bet the flop, fold to resistance.

Against a villain who tends to underbet his big hands I may check-call this flop to see if I pick up a straight or flush draw on the turn, but we're talking about a guy who's likely to bet no more than 80 into a pot of 720... Rare.

Re: $22: Can you fold here?
 

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Preflop: SB is in Button with K[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]


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Almost made my head pop....

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***** Hand History for Game 4954499586 *****
0/0 Tourney Texas Hold'em Game Table (NL) (Tournament 27413487) - Tue Aug 15 14:41:21 EDT 2006
Table Speed (Real Money) -- Seat 1 is the button
Total number of players : 10
Seat 1: tboss888 (2640)
Seat 2: PhshOn (2310)
Seat 3: KpHoops33 (2000)
Seat 4: winrdinr69r (1960)
Seat 5: vulkan11 (1880)
Seat 6: ale5679 (1760)
Seat 7: luckydaze (1350)
Seat 8: EnderWigg1n (1940)
Seat 9: bucketbum (2370)
Seat 10: Snakesheet (1790)
PhshOn posts small blind (20)
KpHoops33 posts big blind (40)
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to tboss888 [ 8h, 4d ]
winrdinr69r folds.
vulkan11 folds.
ale5679 could not respond in time.(disconnected)
ale5679 folds.
luckydaze folds.
EnderWigg1n calls (40)
bucketbum raises (120) to 120
Snakesheet folds.
tboss888 folds.
PhshOn raises (330) to 350
KpHoops33 folds.
EnderWigg1n folds.
bucketbum calls (230)
** Dealing Flop ** : [ Ts, Ad, 7d ]
PhshOn checks.
bucketbum bets (780)
PhshOn raises (1960) to 1960
PhshOn is all-In.
bucketbum calls (1180)
** Dealing Turn ** : [ 9c ]
** Dealing River ** : [ Js ]
Creating Main Pot with $4700 with PhshOn
** Summary **
Main Pot: 4700 |
Board: [ Ts Ad 7d 9c Js ]

tboss888 balance 2640, didn't bet (folded)
PhshOn balance 0, lost 2310 [ Kc Kd ] [ a pair of kings -- Ad,Kc,Kd,Js,Ts ]
KpHoops33 balance 1960, lost 40 (folded)
winrdinr69r balance 1960, didn't bet (folded)
vulkan11 balance 1880, didn't bet (folded)
ale5679 balance 1760, didn't bet (folded)
luckydaze balance 1350, didn't bet (folded)
EnderWigg1n balance 1900, lost 40 (folded)
bucketbum balance 4760, bet 2310, collected 4700, net +2390 [ Td Tc ] [ three of a kind, tens -- Ad,Js,Td,Tc,Ts ]
Snakesheet balance 1790, didn't bet (folded)

For all you non-believers. Oh and he flopped a set, not turned one like I thought earlier.

Re: $22: Can you fold here?
 

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C-bet the flop, fold to resistance.

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On $22, I really like this line. Many people with JJ, QQ or a wiffed set attempt will fold to a C-bet.