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renodoc 08-14-2006 11:14 AM

Is this flop push standard?
 
Blinds 100-200.
Hero in the SB with 1800, BB has slightly more.
Folded to hero with A [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] Q [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]
Hero raises to 600.
BB calls. Pot 1200, which is size of Hero's remaining stack.
Flop: J [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 9 [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 7 [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]

Standard push?

stevepa 08-14-2006 11:15 AM

Re: Is this flop push standard?
 
Very standard. What else would you do???

Steve

AlwaysAir 08-14-2006 11:15 AM

Re: Is this flop push standard?
 
I believe so considering stack sizes ; )

renodoc 08-14-2006 11:18 AM

Re: Is this flop push standard?
 
Do I even have to look at the flop?

stevepa 08-14-2006 11:21 AM

Re: Is this flop push standard?
 
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Do I even have to look at the flop?

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Probably not. Pushing every flop is fine. But this is a really good flop for your hand and you might get him to fold some better hands and the pot is big so it's a crystal clear push.

Steve

uclabruinz 08-14-2006 11:48 AM

Re: Is this flop push standard?
 
Push preflop. But yeah, as played easy shove on the flop.

mornelth 08-14-2006 12:03 PM

Re: Is this flop push standard?
 
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Push preflop. But yeah, as played easy shove on the flop.

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Standard. Why is this even a question (other than a BBV in disguise?)

uclabruinz 08-14-2006 12:20 PM

Re: Is this flop push standard?
 
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Push preflop. But yeah, as played easy shove on the flop.

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Standard. Why is this even a question (other than a BBV in disguise?)

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Why do you feel the need to say this?

JohnFR 08-14-2006 03:50 PM

Re: Is this flop push standard?
 
I always push this flop also, but is there any merit to check/raising all in against an aggro opponent, who might put it all in with any 2 in this spot after you checked to him?

mornelth 08-14-2006 04:04 PM

Re: Is this flop push standard?
 
I'd say not much, because the pot's 1,200 and hero has 1,200, if the villain bets ANYTHING he's pot-committed. The danger, however, is in the villain CHECKING behind. Now hero pretty much HAS TO push/call WITHOUT getting the benefit of odds being correct for a draw (if behind) and with less FE because the turn push looks like MORE of a steal than the flop push... IMHO.

A line of betting 600 may not be too bad (with the intention of calling the raise) simply because it might make Hero's hand look that much bigger, as it MAY have slightly more FE than the push. However, I think Hero should actually ROOT for the call here as he has tons of outs against most hand that call him here...

UVaHoo 08-14-2006 04:19 PM

Re: Is this flop push standard?
 
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I always push this flop also, but is there any merit to check/raising all in against an aggro opponent, who might put it all in with any 2 in this spot after you checked to him?

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I don't think there is. There are certainly worse plays, but given that he called a preflop raise, there's a good chance this flop hit him at least a little bit. If we c/r here, he's obviously going to be pot committed to call with whatever he has, and given that we have a great draw but not a made hand, I'd rather just take it down right here.

skier_5 08-14-2006 04:34 PM

Re: Is this flop push standard?
 
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Push preflop. But yeah, as played easy shove on any flop.

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FYP

betgo 08-14-2006 04:56 PM

Re: Is this flop push standard?
 
The question is ridiculous. This is not at all close. You have a strong draw and you would like to get allin on the flop even with deep money.

Of course, push any flop. I would probably push preflop, but I think the preflop raise is fine.

Gooch 08-17-2006 05:36 PM

the real question is do you call with 98 with the 8 of clubs?
 
after calling the bet you would have just over 1k in chips, do you call? just a little more info on the Hero. Hero was raising a lot from late position. Hero pushed in very quick. And Hero was talking way too much.


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