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okay, I'm sitting at the very soft, loose-passive 1-2 NL game at the Orleans today, watching football. I've doubled my buy-in of $300 but that was hours ago. Now, I'm card dead. So I proceed to practice folding KJos to raises like a good boy. In fact, I've tightened up so much that the rest of the table is joking about it, saying things like "Hey, if he finally raises, I'm out!"

My stack is around $640...It's a friendly table, lots of joking around and good company.

Until...

This enebriated, 20-something "wigga" guy comes to the table, drops about $80 on the table and sternly warns us all that He Has Arrived and that he's about to bust all of us chumps. Then he goes to the bathroom.

When he comes back, he dumps another pile of chips on the table, mostly greens with a few reds mixed in. Obviously over $500, certainly over the max of $300. He says he's buying in for $100.

I calmly tell him and the dealer that if he's only going to buy in for $100 the gentleman should remove the other chips from the table, so everyone is clear on how much he has behind. Naturally, Mr. Wigga gets all belligerent and in my face, calling me names and saying I should only worry about my own stack, since he's about to take it.

Well, I think this is pretty funny, but still insist he take the other chips off the table. The dealer is busy dealing the next hand and has inexplicably decided not to say anything. I finally pick up a hand and raise to $12 dollars, still arguing with the guy that he should have to remove anything above $300 from the table.

"[censored] you Chump, I'm not going to remove anything. I'm all in." And he pushes all those chips forward.

"Yeah, that's right. That's how I roll. So fold like a little bitch and you can shut your bitch-ass mouth."

Everyone else naturally folds. I look at the dealer to see if he's going to say anything, but he's avoiding my eyes. Cool. I ask the idiot how much he's got and says, "More than you, Chump." I nod, agreeing, and call.

The dealer deals out the cards. Mr. Wigga stands up and slams his hands face-up on the table when a J rivers a garbage board. He's got Ace-Jack.

"Yeah, Beeeyatch....now shut your punk-ass up and go get some more money."

I calmly flip over my Aces - I mean, really, what else could I have, right?

His eyes grow wide again and he starts saying no no no over and over again, insisting he only bought in for $100. Immediately, I yell for the floor. The floor comes over, and the Dealer (suddenly all chatty) tells him the story exactly as it happened. The floor just wants to know one thing. When Mr. Wigga pushed all-in, did he push all his chips forward? Yes. Then nothing else matters. If the Gentleman wants to ignore the house rules of a $300 max buy-in, he should except the results if he loses.

The dealer pushes me the pot, Mr. Wigga is incredulous and storms out. Alas, before I could come up with a fitting one-liner. Anyone have any thing that would've been appropriate?


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"Even I can see that this is a brag post!"
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I keed, I keed.

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"Even I can see that this is a brag post!"
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I keed, I keed.

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LOL....yes, it is. But it was very funny.

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Dude, this his hilarious. One reason I dont play at the Orleans is the dealers, as a whole, aren't very good whatsoever. I've had more than my share of issues with them and ignoring things then telling the floors that they have NO IDEA what happened. WTf, its your game, run it!

But thats great, I would have paid about threefitty to watch this moron flip out.

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THIS IS A [censored] AWESOME POST. EVERYONE WHO POSTS IN THIS FORUM TAKE NOTE OF A RAD POST. F HIM AND NICE JOB HANDLING [censored].

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Nice hand Dominic.


What comes to mind for me tho are these points.

I like the fact the floor made him lose all that you had him covered for in one way. because he's going to be a problem child for the table and room as a whole in his state. Maybe it'll be a lesson for him. If he remembers.

I dont like the fact that the dealer didnt do his/her job in protecting the table and therefore allowing only $100 to play.

I like that the dealer stated everything correctly.

I dont like that the floor allowed more than $100 to play, thereby protecting the game as a whole also.

Reading between the lines, and I could be very wrong so take it with a grain of salt. Do I see this as a "floorman comes, sees the resulting winner of the hand, a friendly local" ruling? A ruling that would be different if the tabled cards were different? It just smells fishy to me.

A totally unbiased ruling would have been... floorman states, "push $100 of his chips into the pot, award the pot to the winner deal that young man out." Floor calls security and says he's got a customer to 86 from the poker room. Security arrives qwickly and escorts him away from the poker room, possibly off the premesis depending on any further beligerance.

Sure is nice to wake up with a hand in that spot though!!

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Reading between the lines, and I could be very wrong so take it with a grain of salt. Do I see this as a "floorman comes, sees the resulting winner of the hand, a friendly local" ruling? A ruling that would be different if the tabled cards were different? It just smells fishy to me.

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I believe all of this palyers chips should play. The dealer did not make him remove the excess chips from play. He put the chips into the pot. The other player (OP) accepted the action that was offered. Once action has been offered and accepted you cannot allow the player to remoce the chips as he was expecting to win all of the OP's chips if he had won. I see this the same way as two player's being heads up and agreeing to prodice more money to bet more than they have in their stacks; that would be a violation of table stakes, but if it happens (Puggy lost a big pot once I know of after tellign the dealer to stay out of it) the bet is "booked."

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What a great story! From a Karma/Justice standpoint, I love that he lost all his chips, and literally laughed out loud while reading the conclusion. :-)

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A totally unbiased ruling would have been... floorman states, "push $100 of his chips into the pot, award the pot to the winner deal that young man out." Floor calls security and says he's got a customer to 86 from the poker room. Security arrives qwickly and escorts him away from the poker room, possibly off the premesis depending on any further beligerance.

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...is a great point. Well said, bigfishhead.

In any event, thanks for a great read. :-)

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The dealer is busy dealing the next hand and has inexplicably decided not to say anything. I finally pick up a hand and raise to $12 dollars, still arguing with the guy that he should have to remove anything above $300 from the table.

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It's always enormous fun when someone with attitude comes to a table talking smack and putting a giant bullseye on his/her forehead. They ALWAYS bust if they stay a while. Their only chance of survival is to snare a pot early and run. My last such instance was a moron coming to our NL1/2 table (max $200 buy-in) from a broken table with >$700 proclaiming "I'm a playa! I'm here to play! I turned a $38 buy-in into THIS! Those suckers on that other table actually let me buy in short for $38 and looky at what I done with it!"... he lasted about 60 minutes and left without a penny, losing $100 here, and $200 there, and $200 again, and $200 more.

It's not just the dealers at The Orleans that fail to control the game as they should. It's pretty rare for a dealer to tell an incoming player that he has too many chips. Or to catch a player taking 'em off the table later. 90% of the time it requires a player at the table speaking up. Dunno if it's that the dealers really don't notice, or if they just prefer to never say a discouraging word unless forced to. But it is inexcusable for the dealer to not say something once the issue is brought up, and particularly when this yahoo pushed all-in the dealer needed to clarify how much was being pushed before any further action was allowed. But... I agree the guy was committed for at least $300, not $100. I just don't see that you can put chips on the table, refuse to remove them, and then say they are not in play when the result turns out poorly for you. The ONLY question is whether >$300 was in play. That I dunno. I don't disagree with the ruling, but I'm not sure it was "right".

So what are the gaming legalities of the max buy-in on the placards? If a table has a stated max buy-in, do gaming regulations require they be followed? I know the stated rake on the placard cannot be exceeded. I have seen the max buy-in be intentionally ignored by general consensus of the players at the table when someone sat with too much and the dealer actually asked if anybody objected and nobody did. Just dunno if that's kosher.

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very nice

and no funny one liners were needed- you got the money.

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no funny one liners were needed- you got the money.

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However, flipping him a chip and telling him it was for cab fare would have been pretty damn funny.

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no funny one liners were needed- you got the money.

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However, flipping him a chip and telling him it was for the prize for being a humongous [censored] douchebag would have been pretty damn funny.

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Alas, before I could come up with a fitting one-liner. Anyone have any thing that would've been appropriate?

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"Now go home and get your [censored]' shinebox!"

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OUT-F'in-STANDING DUDE!!! Would've loved to be sitting at your table to see this!!

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this post sounds co-authored by james frey of "a million little pieces." either way, great story. just too good to be true.

bwana

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The dealer pushes me the pot, Mr. Wigga is incredulous and storms out. Alas, before I could come up with a fitting one-liner. Anyone have any thing that would've been appropriate?

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Thanks for stopping by, Have a nice day! Maybe with a "Beeeyatch" on the end but probably not needed

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Fantastic post, Thank you for sharing!

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This post made me happy. How much was it, exactly, do you know?

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Nice hand Dominic.


What comes to mind for me tho are these points.

I like the fact the floor made him lose all that you had him covered for in one way. because he's going to be a problem child for the table and room as a whole in his state. Maybe it'll be a lesson for him. If he remembers.

I dont like the fact that the dealer didnt do his/her job in protecting the table and therefore allowing only $100 to play.

I like that the dealer stated everything correctly.

I dont like that the floor allowed more than $100 to play, thereby protecting the game as a whole also.

Reading between the lines, and I could be very wrong so take it with a grain of salt. Do I see this as a "floorman comes, sees the resulting winner of the hand, a friendly local" ruling? A ruling that would be different if the tabled cards were different? It just smells fishy to me.

A totally unbiased ruling would have been... floorman states, "push $100 of his chips into the pot, award the pot to the winner deal that young man out." Floor calls security and says he's got a customer to 86 from the poker room. Security arrives qwickly and escorts him away from the poker room, possibly off the premesis depending on any further beligerance.

Sure is nice to wake up with a hand in that spot though!!

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I agree that it should have been handled differently....although I think he should've been made to lose the max buiy in of $300 to me rather than his stated $100.

And on a side note, the floor did not know me...I'm not usually at the Orleans....

Of course, in this instance, I did not mind the floor's ruling at all!

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This post made me happy. How much was it, exactly, do you know?

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He had me covered by about $15....which was so much nicer than me having him covered, you know? He gets to pick up those three little red chips and run aaway with his tail between his legs.

And yes, I know this all sounds too good to be true, but it happened!

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And yes, I know this all sounds too good to be true, but it happened!

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Even this part?

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"Yeah, that's right. That's how I roll. So fold like a little bitch and you can shut your bitch-ass mouth."

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And yes, I know this all sounds too good to be true, but it happened!

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Even this part?

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"Yeah, that's right. That's how I roll. So fold like a little bitch and you can shut your bitch-ass mouth."

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LOL....yes, even THAT part. I may not have gotten it perfectly, but that was the gist of it.

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Sounds like the Orleans to a tee. That's your first mistake, playing at the Orleans, lol.

You write so well, do you have a journal somewhere? I can't just be following you around 2+2 reading all of your stories, you know. I actually have somewhat of a life (okay, I'm lying). I even read your porn stuff. I'm sick.

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He had me covered by about $15....which was so much nicer than me having him covered, you know? He gets to pick up those three little red chips and run aaway with his tail between his legs.


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Priceless

I'm not sure about a one-liner, but I'd be saying to myself pleaserebuypleaserebuypleaserebuypleaserebuyplease rebuypleaserebuypleaserebuy

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Maybe with a "Beeeyatch" on the end but probably not needed

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"I'M RICH, BIATCH!"

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"thanks for busting me"
--borrowed obviously

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Sounds like the Orleans to a tee. That's your first mistake, playing at the Orleans, lol.

You write so well, do you have a journal somewhere? I can't just be following you around 2+2 reading all of your stories, you know. I actually have somewhat of a life (okay, I'm lying). I even read your porn stuff. I'm sick.

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LOL...no journal or blog...I'm a screenwriter by trade...but I do like posting on 2+2...it's pretty much a journal for everyone to read, isn't it?

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Your one liner needs to be something like:

"That's how I roll.... with your money."

You can add a "beeyatch" on the end if you want.

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He had to say these things in a joking manner, right? You mean to tell me he said this to someone he just met with tones of sincere hostility in his voice?

If this is true, then it's the greatest comeuppance story of all time.

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Or telling him "Quiet, you messed up my count!"

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Well, the kid pushed in, and everyone there saw him. He broke the rules, and if he only had to cover a C-note, he would be rewarded for that, in a way. You can't say you are willing to risk more than the max, have it TACITLY OKed by Joe Dealer, and then duck out when you AJ has no juice. He got everything he asked for, and MORE than he was entitled to by the rules, until Dominic "Nick the Enforcer" tabled the bullets.

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I concede that he stated my point better than I did.

I don't know a Puggy, so he wins with the anecdote.

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Nah, the Enforcer did good work.

I just wanna know how he ended up for the night, after the smoke cleared from Vanilla Ice losing 95% of his stack.

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He had to say these things in a joking manner, right? You mean to tell me he said this to someone he just met with tones of sincere hostility in his voice?

If this is true, then it's the greatest comeuppance story of all time.

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Similar story at the 2-6 spread limit table at the Excalibur. I sit down, douche is there at opposite end of table with 3 racks of blue, looks me over and says "I'm going to take all your chips." I laugh. He doesn't, staring me down. I ask the other end of the table if he's been like that the entire time. They say yes. They hate him at this point. He talks about how he's there to make money. I'm making fun of him for being a low limit pro. I guess he was there for a conference.

Anyways, I proceed to take the lion's share of his 3 racks, plus 2 more that he rebuys for. My neighbors give me hi fives for each big pot I take. The best part is that I'm trying to stack up my mountain of chips, and a middle-aged, very quite man says "Why don't you ask him for some empty racks." It was the only thing I heard out of his mouth the entire time.

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The best part is that I'm trying to stack up my mountain of chips, and a middle-aged, very quite man says "Why don't you ask him for some empty racks." It was the only thing I heard out of his mouth the entire time.

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Old people like this at the game are the best. I hope he high-fived you too

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The classic, "Don't let the door hit you in the ass on the way out!" always works.....lol. Loved the story!

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Anyone have any thing that would've been appropriate?

shhhh...shhhhh..shhhhh - im done with you. can you send your girlfriend down?

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See you at home son!


Or how bout:

(to the rest of the table) Was that...Jesus?


or perhaps:

"Sorry kid, I thought I had you covered...if I knew you had such a big stack I would have folded..."

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He had to say these things in a joking manner, right? You mean to tell me he said this to someone he just met with tones of sincere hostility in his voice?

If this is true, then it's the greatest comeuppance story of all time.

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Similar story at the 2-6 spread limit table at the Excalibur. I sit down, douche is there at opposite end of table with 3 racks of blue, looks me over and says "I'm going to take all your chips." I laugh. He doesn't, staring me down. I ask the other end of the table if he's been like that the entire time. They say yes. They hate him at this point. He talks about how he's there to make money. I'm making fun of him for being a low limit pro. I guess he was there for a conference.

Anyways, I proceed to take the lion's share of his 3 racks, plus 2 more that he rebuys for. My neighbors give me hi fives for each big pot I take. The best part is that I'm trying to stack up my mountain of chips, and a middle-aged, very quite man says "Why don't you ask him for some empty racks." It was the only thing I heard out of his mouth the entire time.

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A rubber band story

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A simple "Aren't you going to rebuy?" should of been sufficient.

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first- enjoyed the post

personally if some moron wants to give me his chips he is more than welcome to buy in for as much as he wants to.

next i understand the dealers point of view, he wants to be very unconfrontational (less people he upsets more he gets tipped as i see it) so its a rough situation esp if say he would have sucked out on you.

but i think the dealer and floor made a good decision in the end as how it turned out