About Jamie Gold...
 

Here's a guy that IMO plays Ok, no problem with that. He has claimed that he 'doesn't want to carry the responsibility of World Champion' essentially it's too much trouble...(but would like the money..) that's in print and on video.

I thought he was disrespectful to Allen (among others') when he knocked him out (with the worst hand).

He CONTINUES to get Chan's opinions DURING THE GAME (one player to a hand?)

I question his ettiquete, table talk goes too far IMO.

The deck has hit this guy who appears from that couldn't carry the lunch of most pros IMHO.

He acts IMO like he's God's gift. Sorry but this guy currently disgusts me and I'm sad that he apparently will represent the 'World Champion' for a game that most of us love.

What a joke. My opinion, sorry if I offend anyone, it's not intentional. Turned out to be one of the weakest final tables in recent years IMHO.

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Other than Cunningham what were expecting?

I mean Doug plays like 5-10 NLH live doesnt he?

Obviously these 2 were passivedonkeys....

The old Asian guy just couldnt lay JJ with a zillion chips left.......

Seriously why would anyone think this was a great final table?

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i actually concur with some of these thoughts

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yea......very weak wsop ft......i woulda been a lot more fun to watch....effin AK sooooted

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The new face of poker:
http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y23...e454/ari21.jpg

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Congrats, first whining post. You win.

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He CONTINUES to get Chan's opinions DURING THE GAME (one player to a hand?)

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That's the only thing that really bothered me.

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That's the only thing that really bothered me.

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As long as it's not during a hand, there is no issue here. You guys are searching for a reason to hate.

The f'ing guy led for 4 days. Did the deck hit him for 4 days or did he actually play some good poker. Give the guy a f'ing break. He dominated the tournament.

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Serously I don't get why everyone hates this guy. Yes he got lucky but there was almost 8800 people in this tournament. Luck plays about half of this tournament anyway and with this many people with very little pro tournament experience luck is even more important. Yes he does talk alot but anybody who spends more than 6 hours on the weekends at the Borgata has heard worse from more spoiled brats.

I mean christ did everybody here who won a tournament do it by 100% skill and needed no luck or no fishy opponent plays or no suckouts. And if you were that great then why the hell aren't you in the main event.

Face it poker is mostly about luck at the right moment mixed with skill. Gold hit it and congrats to him. Most of the people sounds like jealous old men right now

Sorry for the rudenesss.

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That's the only thing that really bothered me.

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As long as it's not during a hand, there is no issue here. You guys are searching for a reason to hate.

The f'ing guy led for 4 days. Did the deck hit him for 4 days or did he actually play some good poker. Give the guy a f'ing break. He dominated the tournament.

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It's not our goddamn responsibility to give the luckbox some credit. The deck hit him in the face for 4 days, yes.

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He didn't get lucky, he ran well. He wasn't sucking out on people and winning coinflips, he simply seemed to hit EVERY flop. We shouldn't hate him for that.
And BTW, the average 22/180 PS player could play better SH than these guys did. Rather disappointing in that regard. I think these players were just in a hurry to get it over to some degree.

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i find it so funny how people think they should win a hand like 1010 vs KJsuited....... allen did not have best hand, that was exactly a coin flip. i hate [censored] who say got in best hand, thats a loser thing to say, i guarantee allen wasnt upset about losing thqat hand, he is upset about getting bluffed by paul. so stfu u [censored] when u say quote. I thought he was disrespectful to Allen (among others') when he knocked him out (with the worst hand)........... you sir are a disgrace..........right now, i will take kjsuited u can take 1010, lets put a grand on it, and if u lose, u proly say bad beat, cause ur a loser [censored] [censored] [censored]

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ONE reason is that he's one of the few thousand players that DIDN'T WANT THE RESPONSIBILITY OF HAVING TO CARRY THE TITLE 'WORLD CHAMPION' ('But I DO want the money'). Makes me sick.

His arrogence, as he said he constantly talked and lied to players (not outplaying them)...he should be a salesman, not a 'player'. That was the best part of his game IMO.

Very little doubt in MY mind that if Chan didn't get so involved with him someone that WANTED to be World Champion would have been.

His deceit, constant [censored]. How often have you seen a Pro run off at the mouth at the Final table of the Big one? Nothing like this. Just dummy up and play, PLAY, DON'T SELL.

Never.

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Lying at the poker table?????

SAY IT AINT SO!

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That's the only thing that really bothered me.

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As long as it's not during a hand, there is no issue here. You guys are searching for a reason to hate.

The f'ing guy led for 4 days. Did the deck hit him for 4 days or did he actually play some good poker. Give the guy a f'ing break. He dominated the tournament.

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while he played really well at times, and played the best at the final table

but, they averaged 20hands/hr for the final table, so in 14hrs they played a massive massive 280ish hands, thats about 1hr of 4tabling online

and for the 70hrs before this final table, thats maybe 2k hands, anyone who has played 100k+ hands, has had a 2.3k stretch where everything works

he just has better timing than we do

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Table talk is something that many of the most respected players use to their advantage. "You call and it's all over babeeee". And Negreanu said it wasnt about the title any more, he said it was about the 12 mil. There is ABSOLUTELY nothing wrong with playing the "big one" for the money, in fact until the last couple years that's all it was for anyway. The most revered pros, the ones who can pay exactly 1.25 big bets to enter the main event, for them it's the honor of winning. For the rest of us, it's a life changing sum of money.

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i find it so funny how people think they should win a hand like 1010 vs KJsuited....... allen did not have best hand, that was exactly a coin flip. i hate [censored] who say got in best hand, thats a loser thing to say, i guarantee allen wasnt upset about losing thqat hand, he is upset about getting bluffed by paul. so stfu u [censored] when u say quote. I thought he was disrespectful to Allen (among others') when he knocked him out (with the worst hand)........... you sir are a disgrace..........right now, i will take kjsuited u can take 1010, lets put a grand on it, and if u lose, u proly say bad beat, cause ur a loser bitch [censored] pussy

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harsh, but has a point

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I'm kind of neutral on him. Don't hate him or love him. But on the ambassador part. B/c how the world champ conducts himself in the year after is such a big thing, can't every player be forced to sign a waiver beforehand stating that they will fulfill certain duties to the game in the event that they win?

I mean, its similar to the Miss World, or Mr. Universe things. I'm sure all contestants in that are bound somehow to make appearances and stuff.

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Here's a guy that IMO plays Ok, no problem with that. He has claimed that he 'doesn't want to carry the responsibility of World Champion' essentially it's too much trouble...(but would like the money..) that's in print and on video.

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The thought he seemed to be expressing is that interview was that he didn't want the fame, he's a behind the scenes kind of guy. And second, he has a career that he doesn't intend to leave and didn't know what kind of ambassador he would be.

That whole interview has been blown out of reasonable proportion. I think it was just a guy talking off the cuff who hasn't slept much and has been playing high intensity poker for days and is faced with the real possibility he might win.
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I thought he was disrespectful to Allen (among others') when he knocked him out (with the worst hand).

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Disrespectful how? His table talk and how he told each opponent what sort of hand he was holding? YOu hold a high standard.

The worst hand? TT vs KJ is a close coin flip. More often he had his opponents dominated.
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Now you're just showing your ignorance of poker rules.

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I question his ettiquete, table talk goes too far IMO.

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Matter of opinion. Certainly far less than Mike M and some others. More than most pros would do. I found it entertaining.
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The deck has hit this guy who appears from that couldn't carry the lunch of most pros IMHO.

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The deck did hit him hard, but I don't hold that against him. He's not a pro, so I don't think it should be expected that he rank among the best. However, every single pro was very complimentry of his play when they were talking to Phil and Ali.I think he played outstanding big stack poker.
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He acts IMO like he's God's gift. Sorry but this guy currently disgusts me and I'm sad that he apparently will represent the 'World Champion' for a game that most of us love.

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Did you see his post game interview? If not, hopefully it's around somewhere, it certainly changed my mind of him. I really had no feelings one way or the other except amusement at all the hate. After watching the interview I think he's a pretty good guy.

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What a joke. My opinion, sorry if I offend anyone, it's not intentional. Turned out to be one of the weakest final tables in recent years IMHO.

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It was weak. I look forward to seeing the hole cards, it's hard to believe the other players played so weak unless they were being dealt trash every hand.

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Lying at the poker table?????

SAY IT AINT SO!

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This calls for a full investigation. I have no doubt that the Nevada Gaming Commission will be very interested in these allegations. OP, you may have blown the lid completely off this one. The game of poker may never be the same.

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Luck plays about half of this tournament anyway

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Try more like 99.99%. Luck will never allow anyone to turn $10,000 turnament chips into $90,000,000 tournament chips half of the time, no matter how talented they are.

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The real reason Gold was tired at the end of the tournament was from the Deck slapping him silly. He seemed to win every race like Raymer did and deserved to win.

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I like the guy. Congrats to him.

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There were no hole card cams, just how do you folks "know" he wasn't playing his azz off. Sure looked that way to me. None of the other softies, wanted to get in there and mix it up.

As far as table talk goes, it's something that most of the online weenies deal with by turning their chat off. You can't do that in the real world.
You think that he talked half the smack of A. Slim in his prime, and Slim was thought of as a very valuable asset to poker all the times he was on Carson's show.
Table talk has always been involved in live poker. Three years ago we were even allowed to say the word F**K at the table.

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Three years ago we could smoke , drink, and curse at the poker table.
And, if you can't sell a hand, live poker probably just isn't for you. Nowhere did I see him cross the line on table talk.
He did flash a card once that I saw. But even that was a fully exceptable tactic, in the pre - boom days.

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Did you see his post game interview? If not, hopefully it's around somewhere, it certainly changed my mind of him. I really had no feelings one way or the other except amusement at all the hate. After watching the interview I think he's a pretty good guy.

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you mean the interview where he says "i'm great at the psychological part of the game" and "they all just played their cards, but i was playing them. i tricked them into giving me all of their money."

what a loser.

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Oh yes he won the races - QQ vrs JJ twice when he maneuvered his opponents into making bad decisions for all their chips against him.

Did you even WATCH or are you simply jealous and whining?

Gold put on a clinic on how to play BIG STACK poker. He muscled that final table time after time after time - He also was smart enough to sit back for reasonable stretches and shift gears in his play.

Did he get "lucky" at times - WELL OF COURSE HE DID. You every know ANYONE that won a major event that didn't?

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Here's a guy that IMO plays Ok, no problem with that. He has claimed that he 'doesn't want to carry the responsibility of World Champion' essentially it's too much trouble...(but would like the money..) that's in print and on video.

I thought he was disrespectful to Allen (among others') when he knocked him out (with the worst hand).

He CONTINUES to get Chan's opinions DURING THE GAME (one player to a hand?)

I question his ettiquete, table talk goes too far IMO.

The deck has hit this guy who appears from that couldn't carry the lunch of most pros IMHO.

He acts IMO like he's God's gift. Sorry but this guy currently disgusts me and I'm sad that he apparently will represent the 'World Champion' for a game that most of us love.

What a joke. My opinion, sorry if I offend anyone, it's not intentional. Turned out to be one of the weakest final tables in recent years IMHO.

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You should really make it clear whether this is your opinion or not, cause I can't tell. [img]/images/graemlins/smirk.gif[/img]

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Did you see his post game interview? If not, hopefully it's around somewhere, it certainly changed my mind of him. I really had no feelings one way or the other except amusement at all the hate. After watching the interview I think he's a pretty good guy.

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you mean the interview where he says "i'm great at the psychological part of the game" and "they all just played their cards, but i was playing them. i tricked them into giving me all of their money."

what a loser.

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Here's the video link in case you all missed it. Total lack of class. What a prick.

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How can a guy who at the beginning of an interview right after winning the ME talk about how he can't ever re-pay his dad for the love and caring he gave him be "Total lack of class. What a prick".

He also goes on to give credit to his freinds and family and says he can't wait to do for them what they did for him.

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Didn't see the hand where Allen went out. Gold IMO played his stack well and as I said in another post Gold being on Allen's left was detrimental to Allen. I'm guessing that if you asked Allen about the table talk he would actually state that Gold's banter gave him a few reads that he wouldn't have otherwise had.

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I just watched that CP interview. I missed the total lack of class and being a prick part I guess. He seems a likeable enough guy, and whatever you think of his playing abilities, deserves respect as the world champion. congrats to him.

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How in hell does anyone translate prick from that interview?

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How can a guy who at the beginning of an interview right after winning the ME talk about how he can't ever re-pay his dad for the love and caring he gave him be "Total lack of class. What a prick".

He also goes on to give credit to his freinds and family and says he can't wait to do for them what they did for him.

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Because it doesn't take class to love your family and friends?

He was talking about class at the poker table.

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Here's the video link in case you all missed it. Total lack of class. What a prick.

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Are you nuts?

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Here's the video link in case you all missed it. Total lack of class. What a prick.

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Are you nuts?

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I have a hard time with people who are not humble in victory. Saying outright that all his opponents "just played their cards" is an incredible slam on everyone at that table. You won already, you prick! Tone that [censored] down.

Aside from this specific statement, he just has this air of general arrogance.

I'm glad he's a family guy, and he's going to be helping out hih pops. That IS cool, I agree. And perhaps he was not in best form after a grueling ME. But comments like the one mentioned above are disrespectful and worthy of the label "prick."

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Also, FWIW, I hope you all are right. I hope the guy's a great ambassador, etc, etc. I'm certainly willing to revise my opinion down the line.

I was just most unimpressed by him in that video.

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Did you even WATCH or are you simply jealous and whining?

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BINGO! This thread is just full of whining and jealous newbie internet players who are wearing out the "Deposit" button and their credit card bills. We rarely saw Gold's card -- while I didn't care for his demeanor, it looked to me like he was playing awesome large stack tournament poker. THAT is why he won.

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Did you even WATCH or are you simply jealous and whining?

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BINGO! This thread is just full of whining and jealous newbie internet players who are wearing out the "Deposit" button and their credit card bills. We rarely saw Gold's card -- while I didn't care for his demeanor, it looked to me like he was playing awesome large stack tournament poker. THAT is why he won.

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You, Sir, have nailed it.