Party Poker - Time for Action
 

Hey Guys,

I play mostly at party poker, as alot of you do. I like the software, I love that they have lots of 10-20 6max tables, and I like the 25-50 game. (however I would like to see 6 max 25-50).

At the World Series of Poker, I won my seat through PP. They announced at one of the parties, that Party Poker is moving into a new era of customer support. They said that they were going to be assigning VIPS or any player for that matter a HOST. Someone we could bring our concerns to, who would speak english presumably. I dont know when this is happening but hopefully it is soon.

The last few days however have left me wondering, if I really want to play at their site.

My 2 concerns are:

1) RATHOLING - I dont care if people buy in short, but the taking the money off the table and coming back with another short stack is total BS. Pokerstars, and UB both make you return to the table with the same stack if it is less than 1 hour since you left. PP has to step up to the plate and correct this. Now the ratholers have their own thread on how to exploit the loophole. Give me an fning break!

2) Dissconect Protect on 25-50 tables. If you dont have a stable connection -- dont play 25-50 NL. Obv people have been taking edges disconnecting. I will not play again 25-50 until this is corrected.

I know others have similar concerns, I suggest we organize them and develop a strongly worded email to party poker that everyone sends.. and try and get these issues resolved.

Use this thread to discuss any other concerns you may have.

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im sure party will miss business from the people who kill their fish.

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I wonder what the ratholeres would do if they cant rathole... hmm play poker or blackjack ? seems like an obv move for PP, they just need a push.

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im sure party will miss business from the people who kill their fish.

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agreed 100%

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im sure party will miss business from the people who kill their fish.

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They would miss multitablers who pay massive amount of hands, yes.

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Fukken,

I don't see the problem with disconnect protection. All Party has to do, is stop being such a poorly run company and stay on top of who is a cheater.

There servers and software is shakey as hell, and I am constantly getting kicked off. Also, many bad players like this feature even if they dont cheat.

-KKF
Fish2plus (temp. banned for saying "He is a Jew." in one of the various WSOP threads about a Jewish player.)

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how many of these accounts do you have lined up?

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im sure party will miss business from the people who kill their fish.

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They would miss multitablers who pay massive amount of hands, yes.

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no.

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I wonder what the ratholeres would do if they cant rathole... hmm play poker or blackjack ? seems like an obv move for PP, they just need a push.

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considering we know most of the ratholers are 2+2ers, they'd prolly all just play full stacked, and the games would continue to suck

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It seems that they have multiplied, like rats, in the past week. I see one at almost every 3,6 table and last night at 5,10 one or two nearly the whole time.

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im sure party will miss business from the people who kill their fish.

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They would miss multitablers who pay massive amount of hands, yes.

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yes.

i was at some of the functions that fukken_eh mentioned at the wsop. many of the partys upper management people were very vocal about how valuable the top VIPs were, and it wasnt just words, they treated us very well also. i agree with the concerns in the original post. one of the new executive PartyHosts gave me his card, i will try to email him this thread.

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I wonder what the ratholeres would do if they cant rathole... hmm play poker or blackjack ? seems like an obv move for PP, they just need a push.

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considering we know most of the ratholers are 2+2ers, they'd prolly all just play full stacked, and the games would continue to suck

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You made this argument in the other thread - ratholing kills action, and shortstacks either don't have the roll or don't have the ability to play full stacked at these levels. There are 2+2ers who can easily be donators in these sorts of games - and they know it too, by shortstacking and ratholing. It's not reducing risk, it's increasing their limited edge.

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I wonder what the ratholeres would do if they cant rathole... hmm play poker or blackjack ? seems like an obv move for PP, they just need a push.

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considering we know most of the ratholers are 2+2ers, they'd prolly all just play full stacked, and the games would continue to suck

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I disagree with that - some of them, probably most are not good poker players, certainly not good enough to beat the 5k full stacked. Some like PinkPrincess are actually long term losing players.

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well i know pinkprincess can play limit holdem, and worst case scenario they go back to lower limits of NL and grind their way up?

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They would miss multitablers who pay massive amount of hands, yes.

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This discussion has been done to death in the Internet forum. Winning multitablers are good customers. They pay a lot of rake when playing eachother.

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Some like PinkPrincess are actually long term losing players.

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Since I am one of the few here who don't use PT, I don't know what StinkyPrincess' stats are from when I've played with her. But she has posted stats in other threads to indicate otherwise than what you say. And I've seen her rathole much less than a double up, like $125.

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well i know pinkprincess can play limit holdem

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most ratholers can.

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people who think that these ratholers are generally guys who could really beat the game good with full stacks (but choose not to) make me laugh.

i have never seen a player who went from ratholing to full stacks (or vice versa) and proved to be a tough player.

they arent as good, so they rathole. its pretty simple.

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the exception to this is probably KKF, but he only ratholed for a couple days iirc.

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What does iirc means? And what exactly is "Z"omg?

And seeing "ratholers" with a full stack (ala "insert bad playing shortie who occasionally buys in full") makes me feel like DN when Helmuth showed up on HSP.


edit: its better for everyone if we leave specific names out (when talking about poor players obv)

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people who think that these ratholers are generally guys who could really beat the game good with full stacks (but choose not to) make me laugh.

i have never seen a player who went from ratholing to full stacks (or vice versa) and proved to be a tough player.

they arent as good, so they rathole. its pretty simple.

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didnt XRatholerX used to rathole a bit at 5/10??

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i should have clarified that i meant the 2k games. i have never played the 1k's with much frequency to say either way.

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iirc= if i recall correctly.

zomg=omg. just people being computer nerds.

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this wasnt supposed to be a ratholer thread. It was meant to be a email to Party Poker from alot of their top VIP's to address our concerns.

I repeat I dont care about short stacking. Just return to the table with same you left with.

As for dis-protection. 25-50 has no option all of their tables allow dis-con protection. At least give us an option.

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im sure party will miss business from the people who kill their fish.

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Party's fish aren't the bad players. Party's fish are the players that play 15k+ hands a week.

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In an attempt to get this thread back on track, I would like to see Party fix their waiting list bugs, and remove the ridiculous sliding jackpot image in the MONSTER games. Maybe they could also include heads up cash games.

Overall I really like Party software, with a few improvements it could be excellent. But, there support is still awful, would obviously like to see improvements in this category.

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In an attempt to get this thread back on track, I would like to see Party fix their waiting list bugs, and remove the ridiculous sliding jackpot image in the MONSTER games. Maybe they could also include heads up cash games.

Overall I really like Party software, with a few improvements it could be excellent. But, there support is still awful, would obviously like to see improvements in this category.

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What party needs to fix quick about their software is the insane memory leak that occurs when you play many tables for a while, its smooth sailing in the beginning then it just gets worse and worse.

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In an attempt to get this thread back on track, I would like to see Party fix their waiting list bugs, and remove the ridiculous sliding jackpot image in the MONSTER games. Maybe they could also include heads up cash games.

Overall I really like Party software, with a few improvements it could be excellent. But, there support is still awful, would obviously like to see improvements in this category.

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What party needs to fix quick about their software is the insane memory leak that occurs when you play many tables for a while, its smooth sailing in the beginning then it just gets worse and worse.

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Full tilt has this too much much wrose =/

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Some like PinkPrincess are actually long term losing players.

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o rly?

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Some like PinkPrincess are actually long term losing players.

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o rly?

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Ive played limit with you and you were constantly playing losing poker even at the 5/10 level. YOu also went on a >1000bb downswing by your own admission, if I am not mistaken. So I think the term 'long term losing player' is apt for oyu.

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In an attempt to get this thread back on track, I would like to see Party fix their waiting list bugs, and remove the ridiculous sliding jackpot image in the MONSTER games. Maybe they could also include heads up cash games.

Overall I really like Party software, with a few improvements it could be excellent. But, there support is still awful, would obviously like to see improvements in this category.

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That sliding image is awesome. How else would I know how much extra money party is raking every few seconds?

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Some like PinkPrincess are actually long term losing players.

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o rly?

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Ive played limit with you and you were constantly playing losing poker even at the 5/10 level. YOu also went on a >1000bb downswing by your own admission, if I am not mistaken. So I think the term 'long term losing player' is apt for oyu.

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oh, i thought you actually had to lose money to be a long term losing player. my mistake.

p.s. just so there's no confusion, i make way more monies than you.

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im sure party will miss business from the people who kill their fish.

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No, the fish kill themselves. Good players don't need to be there for that to happen. People who believe Party doesn't care if the good players leave suffer from the mistaken impression that a player is either good or bad with no middle ground. If the top 20% leave, all that will happen is that the 2nd 20% will start taking all of the money of the bottom 20%, leaving Party with exactly the same situation only 20% less players.

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im sure party will miss business from the people who kill their fish.

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No, the fish kill themselves. Good players don't need to be there for that to happen. People who believe Party doesn't care if the good players leave suffer from the mistaken impression that a player is either good or bad with no middle ground. If the top 20% leave, all that will happen is that the 2nd 20% will start taking all of the money of the bottom 20%, leaving Party with exactly the same situation only 20% less players.

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In situation 2 won't it take longer?

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much much longer = better for rake

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But the top 20% (who all multitable heavily)plays a significant amount of hands with eachother, passing money back and forth. Those hands would be missed, if party was with 20% less players.

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The email response I just received from Party regarding ratholing:

Dear Todd,

Thank you for contacting us.

The management have reviewed this issue in the last few months, and
came to the decision that it would not be changed.

When a player is fortunate enough to win at a table, the funds become
his. He is then entitled to take this money and bank it, and then if he
wishes, providing there is an available seat, and he has the minimum
buy-in available, he can return to the same table.

I am sorry that this is not the answer that you were hoping to receive,
but we will not be changing this policy.

Kind Regards
Rachel
PartyPoker Customer Care

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Uh Oh. Let the party boycotts begin.

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I would love to be a fly on the wall in one of their management meetings...