$20/$40 Foxwoods- who folds this in a 22 BB pot?
 

I am SB in this hand, but I will post it as my opponent.

Opponent is a well respected Foxwoods regular/pro, and is in MP2 with 66.

2 limpers to MP2, who limps w/66, raise from MP3, cold call from button, 3 bet from small blind, BB calls the 3bet, both limpers call, MP2 calls, MP3 calls, button caps, all call.
7 players- 28 small bets

Flop: K67 rainbow

SB bets, BB calls, MP2 raises, SB 3 bets, BB calls, MP2 calls
3 players- 18.5 big bets

Turn is A, 2nd club on board

SB checks, BB checks, MP2 bets, both call.

3 players- 21.5 big bets

River is K.

SB bets, BB folds, MP2 folds the full house getting 22:1.

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That's a horrible fold.

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Really all that needs to be said

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That's a horrible fold.

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I thought it was terrible, but a couple of players agreed with the fold, saying I had to have KK or AK.

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I have never been 95.6% sure of anything at the poker table. There is NO chance that the bettor has KQs, AQs, or an overplayed QQ?

SB's check-call on the turn makes you certain that he is slowplaying AA, KK, AK? In fact, the check call on the turn makes it look a lot like KQs...


Horrific fold

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That's a horrible fold.

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I thought it was terrible, but a couple of players agreed with the fold, saying I had to have KK or AK.

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I wouldn't be confident enough that you'll never have KQs here often enough to fold, especially the way you played the turn.

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hahahahahaah @ foxwoods players

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This is one of the worst folds in a middle-limit game I've ever seen. You're betting the turn almost all of the time with the hands 66 is losing to. The times you're not betting the turn, you're checkraising it. I would call this river getting 5:1. Hell, I would call this river getting 2:1. Getting 22:1, my chips would be in the pot before I could even think about it.

Absolutely unforgivable fold. Even if you held AK or KK, this is still the worst fold of 2006. He's HEADS UP. On the RIVER. Closing the action. For 1 bet. I mean Jesus.

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No way I ever fold this, especailly after the turn action. Also, what happened to the button in this hand?

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That's a horrible fold.

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I thought it was terrible, but a couple of players agreed with the fold, saying I had to have KK or AK.

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even the respected players there are morons.

How\'s my play?
 

Ok, what do you think of my play here?

I am in the SB w/KQclubs.

Preflop: With 5 players already in, I 3 bet KQs in the small blind. 7 way cap to flop.

28 small bets
Flop: K67 rainbow

My goal is to get people out, pressure hands like 6X, and 7X, out by facing 2 bets and the threat of more. KQ is certainly not winning 7 handed. Bet/3bet seems more effective than trying to checkraise a late position player. I'm not necessarily convinced I'm ahead, but I want to maximize my chances of winning the large pot by putting my money in on the flop, knocking people out, clean up some outs, and reevaluate on the turn.

3 players- 18.5 big bets

Turn is A, 2nd club on board:

I don't like the A, although I have the nut flush draw. I check call, with the plan to bet the river if a K,Q or club falls.

Re: How\'s my play?
 

your play was standard.

That is why we all thought that there was a good chance you had KQ

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That's a horrible fold.

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I thought it was terrible, but a couple of players agreed with the fold, saying I had to have KK or AK.

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Was it Nick M. making another one of his "Big Folds"? As everyone else said that is an horrific fold. Anybody there that agreed with the fold is nuts. After the turn action you almost never have a FH on the river.

You can PM me on who these folders are if you like. I'll be down there Tues-Fri and I can tell them personally they're nuts.

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You can PM me on who these folders are if you like. I'll be down there Tues-Fri and I can tell them personally they're nuts.

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Why in the [censored] would you want to do that?!?!?!

Re: How\'s my play?
 

I pretty much would not 3 bet anything in the blinds accept qq kk aa and sometimes ak when im gonna play it like aces. as far as the hand played out turn you were drawing to the nut flush tripped up on the river. As far as fh 6;s full, He is nutz describe the player you are talking about.

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I pretty much would not 3 bet anything in the blinds accept qq kk aa and sometimes ak when im gonna play it like aces.

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Too tight. 3 betting KQs with so many limpers/cold callers in the pot is solid.

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Did he actually show the 66 before mucking? Foxwoods players love to lie about their hands. I remember playing $20 $40 there numerous times and offering the chronic liars $100 or $200 to turn over hands they claimed to have on the river. Everytime they gave me a blank stare and as the entire table was watching carefully mucked their cards so they didn't turn over.

If he really did have 66, how can he be well respected? He should have won a 25.5 BB pot rather than losing a 22 BB one.

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I agree I think the people if they knew WTF they was doing and called 3 cold better have a pair looking to hit a set, or AK, AQ Suited or QQ<KK<AA. I honestly think you going to get nailed 3 betting KQ suited in small blind, combination of ok cards and bad position and everyone is usually calling raises makes an extremely loose table, so remember you always make the most money doing the opposite of the table, they go loose you go super tight, they go tight to weak passive you go agressive.

"Mr Pittsburgh" EZE
Foxwoods Player ( 10/20, 20/40 2-5 5-10NL)

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I honestly think you going to get nailed 3 betting KQ suited in small blind, combination of ok cards and bad position and everyone is usually calling raises makes an extremely loose table

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The loose table is exactly why you would 3-bet here. KQs has a big equity edge over the random hands you'll see being limped in a live 20/40 game. If you don't raise, you're letting the bad players keep too much of their money.

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This is one of the worst folds in a middle-limit game I've ever seen.

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I didn't see it but if I did I would have to agree...

This fold is TERRIBLE. He didn't even raise he just bet like a donkey. Its a bad play if he does have the boat. The most amazing move if he doesn't...

Which leads to the question... Is this a BRAG post???

JT

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MP2 folds the full house getting 22:1.

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Wow.

Haupt_234

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I definitly would have value raised the river.

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Which leads to the question... Is this a BRAG post???

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Nope. Hand was talked about for like 45 minutes after he folded. I never showed, but I was asked what I had about 10 times. Player said I'd have to be an absolute moron not to have his full house beat. 2 other players agreed. I thought I played KQs ok here. So I posted the hand to see if others thought the fold was bad, and my play was ok.
Like I said earlier, the player in question is well thought of.

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That was my first instinct too Barry.

Ps. I met ron? up at Turning Stone said to say "hi."

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That's a horrible fold.

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I thought it was terrible, but a couple of players agreed with the fold, saying I had to have KK or AK.

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Was it Nick M. making another one of his "Big Folds"? As everyone else said that is an horrific fold. Anybody there that agreed with the fold is nuts. After the turn action you almost never have a FH on the river.

You can PM me on who these folders are if you like. I'll be down there Tues-Fri and I can tell them personally they're nuts.

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wowwwww, Nicky folded that on the river? thats so horribly weak tight i cant imagine him folding that hand. nicky is too smart for that there is no way he folded that hand in that spot, i dont believe it unless he showed it to me himself.

i agree with you too barry, if anybody agrees wit this fold, they can play in my game any day of the week. [img]/images/graemlins/confused.gif[/img]

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Not to squash all the talk on this thread, I did find out who is was (not Nick) and the player in question did not have 66, but 76s.

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Not to squash all the talk on this thread, I did find out who is was (not Nick) and the player in question did not have 66, but 76s.

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This makes more sense. Thanks for the info.

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I thought it was terrible, but a couple of players agreed with the fold, saying I had to have KK or AK.

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lol, which is why i'm wondering why i dont hear of people flying in to play in our game. if they had the same "live at the bike" thing with the foxwoods 20 there would be players flying in from all over the place.

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Because it is $20/40

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There is no way you have to have KK or AK there. Why would you three bet the flop and check call the turn with AK or KK? The man who folded the hand is a donk. First of all the pot is huge and playing any of those hands super fast would be correct. No way im laying down 66 for 22/1 no matter what. That is just pathetic. He's lying about his hand.

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Nobody folds this hand the way the action went down. Sounds like 6 7 not 66. That is called PUNISHMENT for being in there on a capped pot with 76.

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get a loan! lol

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I think he meant 20/40 is a bit low to fly around for. Believe it or not, live 20/40 players suck everywhere the game is spread.

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Because it is $20/40

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I think he meant 20/40 is a bit low to fly around for. Believe it or not, live 20/40 players suck everywhere the game is spread.

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i duno man, i'd rather play a wild 20/40 game than a tight 40/80 game with good players. and at foxwoods the difference between 20/40 and 40/80 is worlds!

but i understand your point. if i had to pick one place to take a two week "vaca" of sorts away from foxwoods i'd definitly say commerce for obvious reasons.

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So would I. But I probably wouldn't fly anywhere for 40/80 either.

I met a 2p2er a while back from Boston who flies into Tunica because he says the 20/40 game there is better than at Foxwoods. I've never played at Foxwoods, but the statement didn't surprise me.