RAKE = BB/100 ??
 

Hey was talking to some guys at 2p2 and they implied that the rake at the low limit stuff 1/2 2/4 made the games very tough to come out on top, unless you were KILLING them.

Im just wondering what the rake worked out to be. I'll try and calculate it, tell me if im way off track here.

In poker tracker in general tabs im taking TOTAL RAKE over 4118 hands of 1/2 as being 228.50

228.50/4118 = 0.05548...
0.05548*100 = $5.5488
5.55/2(the bb) = 2.77bb/100!!

Not sure if my sample or my method is accurate here.
2/4 = ?
3/6 = ?
5/10 = ?


Thanks

*NOTE THIS IS FOR PARTY POKER which has higher/lower/normal rake than other sites..?

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Yes, the rake is around that high. The games are still very beatable.

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Those games are VERY beatable either way.. A solid player can easily make 1.5-2bb/100 at these games, although a good rakeback deal is very valuable, particularly at these lower limits. I think it was Bryce in the MHSH forums who said that he believes that up until 15/30, you should be a rakeback player.

Also, by doing a quick little google search, you should be able to come up with some comparitave figures on how the rake differs from site to site.

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Those games are VERY beatable either way.. A solid player can easily make 1.5-2bb/100 at these games, although a good rakeback deal is very valuable, particularly at these lower limits. I think it was Bryce in the MHSH forums who said that he believes that up until 15/30, you should be a rakeback player.

Also, by doing a quick little google search, you should be able to come up with some comparitave figures on how the rake differs from site to site.

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What do you mean, a "rakeback player"?

Thanks.

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man, that's a lotta rake! and I've never had a rakeback deal!

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Well it was The Bryce who said it, so I'm just assuming that he meant that its important to have a good rakeback deal while playing the lower limits. I can see why it might be beneficial.. Rakeback is much more consistent than your average low-limit player's winrate, and I think its a more efficient way of building a bankroll + avoiding tilt caused by swings. from .25/.50 all the way up to 3/6, I was very unsure if I was a winning player. It drove me crazy, and it made the swings almost unbearable. I suppose if I had rakeback during this period, I would have been able to keep a good head on my shoulders, and avoid tilt.

OTOH, I think its a good thing to experience the full force of those swings (and to be uncertain if your a winning player), and learn from them by understanding variance, and also from forcing yourself to improve your game.

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Those games are VERY beatable either way.. A solid player can easily make 1.5-2bb/100 at these games, although a good rakeback deal is very valuable, particularly at these lower limits. I think it was Bryce in the MHSH forums who said that he believes that up until 15/30, you should be a rakeback player.

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Did he say afterwards that you should use $5 bills for T.P.?

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Those games are VERY beatable either way.. A solid player can easily make 1.5-2bb/100 at these games, although a good rakeback deal is very valuable, particularly at these lower limits. I think it was Bryce in the MHSH forums who said that he believes that up until 15/30, you should be a rakeback player.

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Did he say afterwards that you should use $5 bills for T.P.?

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I hate it when I don't get simple jokes. [img]/images/graemlins/frown.gif[/img]

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You still feel the swings with rakeback. [img]/images/graemlins/tongue.gif[/img] Just the fifth of every month you're like yay free money.

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You still feel the swings with rakeback. [img]/images/graemlins/tongue.gif[/img] Just the fifth of every month you're like yay free money.

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This is very true. The last 2 1/2 weeks of august I hit a 270BB downswing, and it's been a good catalyst to get me posting more here rather than just lurking. And I definitely felt it still, but in the last few days I've gotten back almost 1/2 of it from bonuses and rb and it feels really nice to get those payments. But yeah, I agree that at the low limits it's really important to have a good rb deal at any sites that you play frequently.

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*NOTE THIS IS FOR PARTY POKER which has higher/lower/normal rake than other sites..?

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Stars has much lower rake for limit. At 1/2 party rake is $.50 at 5, .75 at 12 and 1 and 20. Stars is .25 per 5 max 1

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*NOTE THIS IS FOR PARTY POKER which has higher/lower/normal rake than other sites..?

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Stars has much lower rake for limit. At 1/2 party rake is $.50 at 5, .75 at 12 and 1 and 20. Stars is .25 per 5 max 1

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And at Stars you get autorakeback through FPP. Obviously it's pretty low percentage till you get Platinum Star though.

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*NOTE THIS IS FOR PARTY POKER which has higher/lower/normal rake than other sites..?

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Stars has much lower rake for limit. At 1/2 party rake is $.50 at 5, .75 at 12 and 1 and 20. Stars is .25 per 5 max 1

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And at Stars you get autorakeback through FPP. Obviously it's pretty low percentage till you get Platinum Star though.

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It's also pretty bad for 6m players too. The VIP program isn't really rakeback. Rakeback is uniform accross limits. The VIP is different. The more people you have at the table the better the VIP progam is vs. rb. For example, a ten player table plays $1 in rake that's about $.025 in rb giiven 25% rb. At a 6 player table, that's $.041. At stars, those are both 1 VIPP.

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Those games are VERY beatable either way.. A solid player can easily make 1.5-2bb/100 at these games, although a good rakeback deal is very valuable, particularly at these lower limits. I think it was Bryce in the MHSH forums who said that he believes that up until 15/30, you should be a rakeback player.

Also, by doing a quick little google search, you should be able to come up with some comparitave figures on how the rake differs from site to site.

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But if you play higher than 15/30 you should pass up on rakeback?

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Those games are VERY beatable either way.. A solid player can easily make 1.5-2bb/100 at these games, although a good rakeback deal is very valuable, particularly at these lower limits. I think it was Bryce in the MHSH forums who said that he believes that up until 15/30, you should be a rakeback player.

Also, by doing a quick little google search, you should be able to come up with some comparitave figures on how the rake differs from site to site.

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But if you play higher than 15/30 you should pass up on rakeback?

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Obviously. I mean who wants free money.

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Those games are VERY beatable either way.. A solid player can easily make 1.5-2bb/100 at these games, although a good rakeback deal is very valuable, particularly at these lower limits. I think it was Bryce in the MHSH forums who said that he believes that up until 15/30, you should be a rakeback player.

Also, by doing a quick little google search, you should be able to come up with some comparitave figures on how the rake differs from site to site.

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But if you play higher than 15/30 you should pass up on rakeback?

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Obviously. I mean who wants free money.

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Dude, I already told you: take the money that you would get in RB and use it for TP. That way you save money on TP that you would have otherwise had to pay for out of your winnings.

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And that 2.77BB/100 is just for you, a tight player who picks his spots. Have a look at the rake for the average player at the bottom of the BB/100 column on the Summary tab. Significantly more than what you are paying. Not only that, for all of us that are paying below the average rake, there are fish that are paying significantly above it!

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Those games are VERY beatable either way.. A solid player can easily make 1.5-2bb/100 at these games, although a good rakeback deal is very valuable, particularly at these lower limits. I think it was Bryce in the MHSH forums who said that he believes that up until 15/30, you should be a rakeback player.

Also, by doing a quick little google search, you should be able to come up with some comparitave figures on how the rake differs from site to site.

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But if you play higher than 15/30 you should pass up on rakeback?

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Obviously. I mean who wants free money.

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Dude, I already told you: take the money that you would get in RB and use it for TP. That way you save money on TP that you would have otherwise had to pay for out of your winnings.

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GRR, you guys are just killin' me! I can't find the post where he said it, so I guess I'll just have to admit defeat and come to terms with the fact that I'm an idiot who never considered the stupidity of that statement [img]/images/graemlins/laugh.gif[/img].

I certainly don't think he meant that you SHOULDN'T play with rb at 15/30+, just that he believes it to be better to play in tougher games where you're NOT going to be winning 2bb/100, and instead rely on rb to make up your winrate at the lower limits.

Cool?!

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Those games are VERY beatable either way.. A solid player can easily make 1.5-2bb/100 at these games, although a good rakeback deal is very valuable, particularly at these lower limits. I think it was Bryce in the MHSH forums who said that he believes that up until 15/30, you should be a rakeback player.

Also, by doing a quick little google search, you should be able to come up with some comparitave figures on how the rake differs from site to site.

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What do you mean, a "rakeback player"?

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Hehe - I often feel like Im just a rakeback player!

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Im going to take a while guess and say bryce was saying $/100 is more important than BB/100. So someone can beat a rakebackless site @ 2BB/100 or a rakeback site @ 1.5BB/100 + 1BB/100 in RB, then he should choose the site w RB. When playing at higher stakes since rake is < BBs at the softer site W/o RB it becomes more profitable the play there.