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Fossilman\'s Account Hacked?
He was just calling a bunch of railbirds who were popping in and out of seats "tools" and then proceeding to bash Daniel Negraneu.
RustyJay said, "wtf" FossilMan said, "guys, popping in and out of an empty seat just makes you look pathetic, nothing else" FossilMan said, "attention *****s" RustyJay: calls $10 Diver23 joins the table at seat #5 FossilMan: folds BodogAri: calls $10 dave118: folds indiangiverr: folds theguzzler: checks *** FLOP *** [Qc 9c Jd] theguzzler: checks RustyJay: checks FossilMan said, "attention who res" BodogAri: bets $30 FossilMan said, "don't understand they look like tools" theguzzler: folds RustyJay: folds BodogAri collected $33.25 from pot BodogAri: doesn't show hand FossilMan said, "you boys need to stop the popping, or I will have to ask support to kick you off the site, thank you" FossilMan said, "I emailed support, asking them to remove drDre from the site" theguzzler: folds RustyJay: folds Diver23: folds FossilMan: calls $5 moboy56: checks *** FLOP *** [9d Th 9h] FossilMan: bets $20 moboy56: folds indiangiverr said, "you have that much power?" indiangiverr: folds FossilMan collected $28.50 from pot FossilMan: doesn't show hand FossilMan said, "I can ask" Great representation for PokerStars if this was truely you, Greg.... |
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ndiangiverr said, "im gonna predict the main event champ"
BodogAri: checks indiangiverr: checks indiangiverr said, "dustin holmes" Diver23: bets $33.25 BodogAri: folds dave118 said, "we're all on pins and needles" indiangiverr said, "played with him all day 1" RustyJay said, "does negraneau still have a big stack?" indiangiverr: checks dave118 said, "is that neverwin?" Diver23: bets $98.50 RustyJay said, "no" BodogAri said, "Brian the Icon Micon" FossilMan said, "Daniel is out, glad to say" indiangiverr said, "some atlanta internet kid" theguzzler has returned indiangiverr: folds RustyJay said, "oh really" *** HOLE CARDS *** RustyJay said, "no a fan eh" indiangiverr said, "played flawless" BodogAri said, "will win obv" RustyJay said, "not" BodogAri said, "unless Rizen does" indiangiverr: folds theguzzler: raises $20 to $30 RustyJay: folds Diver23: folds FossilMan: calls $30 moboy56: folds BodogAri: calls $25 dave118 said, "why gllad to say daniel out?" dave118: folds *** FLOP *** [5h 8h 4c] BodogAri: checks indiangiverr said, "currently in 5th position" dave118 said, "not a fan of his?" theguzzler: bets $80 FossilMan said, "because he's been a real tool lately" FossilMan: folds dave118 said, "ah" BodogAri: calls $80 *** TURN *** [5h 8h 4c] [4d] BodogAri: checks theguzzler: checks *** RIVER *** [5h 8h 4c 4d] [7c] dave118 said, "becoming too much of a rock star" BodogAri: checks theguzzler: checks *** SHOW DOWN *** BodogAri: shows [3d 3c 7d 2d] (HI: two pair, Sevens and Fours; LO: 7,5,4,3,2) theguzzler: shows [Qd Qs Ah Jh] (HI: two pair, Queens and Fours) FossilMan said, "keeps saying stupid ignorant things about our lawsuit against the WPT, and he knows nothing" theguzzler collected $128.50 from pot BodogAri collected $128.50 from pot FossilMan said, "he's either stupid, or a sockpuppet for the WPT" |
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I expect this is Greg and not a hacker.
Greg had an untelevised moment at last year's WSOP where he was extremely angry at somebody who was bothering his wife (almost certainly justified). He's not always as nice as his TV commercials show him to be. How could anybody be that nice all the time? It's not at all surprising that he wouldn't like Negreanu's comments about Raymer's lawsuit against the WPT. Negreanu has been very harsh towards the 7 litigants. |
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I guess I will not know him for his "class" anymore then...
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[ QUOTE ] It's not at all surprising that he wouldn't like Negreanu's comments about Raymer's lawsuit against the WPT. Negreanu has been very harsh towards the 7 litigants. [/ QUOTE ] What were Negreanu's comments re: lawsuit? [/ QUOTE ] You got to watch Negreanu's video blog. |
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[ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] It's not at all surprising that he wouldn't like Negreanu's comments about Raymer's lawsuit against the WPT. Negreanu has been very harsh towards the 7 litigants. [/ QUOTE ] What were Negreanu's comments re: lawsuit? [/ QUOTE ] You got to watch Negreanu's video blog. [/ QUOTE ] I find it unwatchable, can someone summarize the relevant details? |
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[ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] It's not at all surprising that he wouldn't like Negreanu's comments about Raymer's lawsuit against the WPT. Negreanu has been very harsh towards the 7 litigants. [/ QUOTE ] What were Negreanu's comments re: lawsuit? [/ QUOTE ] You got to watch Negreanu's video blog. [/ QUOTE ] no thanks. |
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I think there was another time in Stars chat when Greg called someone a "douchebag." I don't care either way what greg says in chat, but it would be kind of funny if he got his chat banned.
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I don't even know why this is a big deal. People who keep sitting in and out over and over again are retarded. It's pretty stupid and probably annoys Greg, all he did was say stop you look like a tool. He didn't curse them off or go crazy. What's the problem?
If he doesn't like Negreanu then fine, that's his opinion. He is involved in a lawsuit which Daniel publicly opposes, of course he's not going to be his number one fan. Plus he didn't really say anything bad about him, again this is stupid. (I am a big Negreanu fan btw). Cut the guy some slack. I opened this expecting him to be acting like the time Fischman was going crazy in the stars chat (which would have been hysterical), this is just stupid and shouldn't have even been mentioned. |
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Daniel just slammed Raymer on his forum:
"Tell Raymer to go breast feed some hungry children in Africa. Goof ball calling me out, who does he think he is, for real." http://www.fullcontactpoker.com/poke...9942&st=20 |
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Daniel just slammed Raymer on his forum: "Tell Raymer to go breast feed some hungry children in Africa. Goof ball calling me out, who does he think he is, for real." http://www.fullcontactpoker.com/poke...9942&st=20 [/ QUOTE ] Did they edit that out because now I only see that in quotes from posters and not a post from Daniel. This is the only thing up there directly from him: "Raymer is completely out of line and it surprises me. He thinks he's right about the lawsuit, I think he's totally wrong. I never called him stupid, or singled out anyone of them. For him to say he's "glad that I'm out," let's me know where I stand with him. I'd never had a problem with him in the past in any way, but those days are over. I have nothing to say to him and I don't really need his "support." Why he is making this a personal issue I don't have the slightest? I said I think the lawsuit is horrible for poker and I stand firm on that opinion. Now I'm either stupid or a sock puppet for the WPT? Dude is way out of line." |
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Wow! PokerStars Support slammed Greg, too (in response to a poster wanting to change his screen name to GregsManBoobs):
[ QUOTE ] From: "PokerStars Support" <[email protected]> Add to Address Book Add Mobile Alert To: [email protected] Subject: Screen Name Change Request Hello ripptyde, I'm sorry we cannot grant your request to change your screen name to 'GregsManBoobs'. We here at Poker Stars find those pasty sweaty flab sacks offensive and 'Boobs' is prohibited in any screen name. Regards, PokerStars Support [/ QUOTE ] http://www.fullcontactpoker.com/poker-fo...69942&st=40 |
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Wow! PokerStars Support slammed Greg, too (in response to a poster wanting to change his screen name to GregsManBoobs): [ QUOTE ] From: "PokerStars Support" <[email protected]> Add to Address Book Add Mobile Alert To: [email protected] Subject: Screen Name Change Request Hello ripptyde, I'm sorry we cannot grant your request to change your screen name to 'GregsManBoobs'. We here at Poker Stars find those pasty sweaty flab sacks offensive and 'Boobs' is prohibited in any screen name. Regards, PokerStars Support [/ QUOTE ] http://www.fullcontactpoker.com/poker-fo...69942&st=40 [/ QUOTE ] HAHAHA, there is no way that is true. |
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I think Raymer is the one that looks like the tool in all this. Jesus, the guy won how many million? And now he's suing the WPT for using his image? What a dbag.
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I think Raymer is the one that looks like the tool in all this. Jesus, the guy won how many million? And now he's suing the WPT for using his image? What a dbag. [/ QUOTE ] Ya, I think the lawsuit is stupid as hell. I start law school in 2 weeks, I wonder if any of the professors will give me their take on it. |
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I guess with Negreanu getting mad and responding this is becoming a bigger deal than what I thought it was...
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in my experience, most fat guys are generally unhappy with their own lives and tend to lash out more than others. [/ QUOTE ] Do most fat people have $2M+? |
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in my experience, most fat guys are generally unhappy with their own lives and tend to lash out more than others. [/ QUOTE ] Really? I've found them to be more jolly than most. |
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The lawsuit is a joke in the first place.
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lol you cant say something about a other player without ppl think they hate eachother? I think this shouldnt be blown up
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also reading the fcp forum I find them pretty immature
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For those who thinkt he lawsuit is stupid, really need to read the terms they are agreeing to before they play in a WPT event.
Now, don't get me wrong. I agree, the WPT has helped take poker to that next level where some of these players can make a damn fine living without really having to risk any money at all...HOWEVER. When you sign the release to play in a WPT event you give them rights to use your image throughout the "universe" "in perpituity." That is what it says on the contract. What does that mean? If they ever opened a casino on Jupiter, they can use your image to promote it whether that is tomorrow, or 1,000,000 years from now. You don't like it? Then don't play in any WPT events. Well guess what? They locked up the good ones. Do you realise how this can conflict with a player's current endorsement deals? Howard Lederer has a poker video game, WPT creates one, uses Lederer's image on theirs to help compete with his own. Once again. If you don't want to play by their rules, then go play elsewhere. But where can these players then play? They're effectively being strong armed into signing what could hopefully be ruled an unenforceable contract, their ability to play and earn a living is hindered. Sound a bit like a monopoly? You guys sit on here and bitch about Harrah's all day long. The problems will only get worse, because Poker is a game with no teams, the players are in it for themselves, so there will be no concerted effort to take down the giants, or at least bring them to a bargaining table to help the players gain a bit of equity. |
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Greg had an untelevised moment at last year's WSOP where he was extremely angry at somebody who was bothering his wife (almost certainly justified). He's not always as nice as his TV commercials show him to be. How could anybody be that nice all the time? [/ QUOTE ] There was also the thread shortly after Raymer was robbed where he said that if anyone f*cks with his life or family that he won't hesitate to hunt down and kill them. Nice people are allowed to say mean things from time to time if they are justified, I suppose. |
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[ QUOTE ] I think Raymer is the one that looks like the tool in all this. Jesus, the guy won how many million? And now he's suing the WPT for using his image? What a dbag. [/ QUOTE ] Ya, I think the lawsuit is stupid as hell. I start law school in 2 weeks, I wonder if any of the professors will give me their take on it. [/ QUOTE ] Unless your professors are communists, they will likely find this lawsuit similar very interesting and likely to stimulate identity discussions about intellectual property, a topic that Raymer is an expert in. I'd have to say that without reading the actual complaint it sounds like Negranu is wrong this time, this is actually good for poker. There are two things that concern me about the case. (1) the discussion of damages in this case, it seems as if (and I might be wrong) only the litigants would receive financial compensation if WPT/Lakes is found guilty. The goal should be policy change not financial gain (2) Although I really admire Howard Lederer, he might have an ulterior motive. By breaking the monopoly that WPT has on the tour circuit he opens the doors to allow online sites to sponsor tournaments in B&M casinos. Regardless of the above on face value we should all be supporting the litigation. This is going to cost the 7 a lot of money to fight in court, we should all be glad they are doing this for the industry. TT [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] |
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[ QUOTE ] in my experience, most fat guys are generally unhappy with their own lives and tend to lash out more than others. [/ QUOTE ] Really? I've found them to be more jolly than most. [/ QUOTE ] Nope. They did a study. ... seriously |
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For those who thinkt he lawsuit is stupid, really need to read the terms they are agreeing to before they play in a WPT event. Now, don't get me wrong. I agree, the WPT has helped take poker to that next level where some of these players can make a damn fine living without really having to risk any money at all...HOWEVER. When you sign the release to play in a WPT event you give them rights to use your image throughout the "universe" "in perpituity." That is what it says on the contract. What does that mean? If they ever opened a casino on Jupiter, they can use your image to promote it whether that is tomorrow, or 1,000,000 years from now. You don't like it? Then don't play in any WPT events. Well guess what? They locked up the good ones. Do you realise how this can conflict with a player's current endorsement deals? Howard Lederer has a poker video game, WPT creates one, uses Lederer's image on theirs to help compete with his own. Once again. If you don't want to play by their rules, then go play elsewhere. But where can these players then play? They're effectively being strong armed into signing what could hopefully be ruled an unenforceable contract, their ability to play and earn a living is hindered. Sound a bit like a monopoly? [/ QUOTE ] There's MANY other tournaments in different casinos across the world now. WSOP circuit events, EPT events and other non televised tournaments occur everyday in casinos all over the place. Cash games are run everday as well in every single casino and there are big enough games to make a living at as well. Bobby's Room always has some higher limit games for people to play and people have been making a living there playing in those games for years. I'm not saying the WPT release form is fair either, but it's their tournaments and there's only 17 or so a year. Go elsewhere and play if you don't like it because their are poker games all over the world. This lawsuit is ridiculous. |
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Unless your professors are communists, they will likely find this lawsuit similar very interesting and likely to stimulate identity discussions about intellectual property, a topic that Raymer is an expert in. [/ QUOTE ] Ahem. I studied law with a couple of communists, and they would have been more interested in this case than most of the non-communists on the faculty. They would have seen it as a sign that the previous free market of the poker economy has given way to an era of monopoly capitalism. This validation of Marx's theory would inevitably be seen as a sign that the system is collapsing under the weight of its own contradictions, ultimately leading to poker revolution! [img]/images/graemlins/laugh.gif[/img] |
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Raymer is an attorney. Negreanu is a high school dropout. In judging the merits of a lawsuit, I'd say Raymer might have some insights that Daniel does not.
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Let's hit this one issue at a time.
Players popping into and out of empty seats: While I don't mind this very much, most of the people I'm playing against appear to find it very annoying. Therefore, I do what I can in the chat box to try and get the offending "poppers" to stop. If that doesn't work, I email support. If somebody is acting like a tool, I don't see why it's a bad thing to call them a tool. Reasons for the lawsuit. The players are paying all the legal bills, and there is not a single online site that is involved in any way whatsoever. We have publicly stated, and we sincerely mean, that we will not accept any settlement that only serves our personal best interests. We will not settle unless the WPT agrees to change their deleterious and illegal practices with respect to ALL players who enter into WPT events. So, while we are doing this for ourselves, we are also doing it for all of you who do already or might in the future play in WPT events. Validity of the lawsuit. It is my personal opinion, as a lawyer who studied antitrust law in Law School, that the WPT is violating the law. Much more importantly, it is the opinion of our attorneys, who are the preeminent sports antitrust lawyers in the world, that the WPT is violating the law. Daniel's actions re the lawsuit. Daniel did not go to law school, nor even to college. He knows nothing about the law, and has never studied it. However, he is openly and continually expressing his opinions about the lawsuit to the public. He knows or should know that his doing so will tend to turn at least some of the public opinion against the plaintiffs. And he knows or should know that his legal opinion is worthless, since he has zero training or experience in the area of antitrust law. Therefore, he is either stupid for repeatedly expressing an worthless opinion, or he is acting at the request of the WPT or one of their agents. Hence, I said he is stupid or a sockpuppet. I really don't see how there is a legitimate 3rd option. I know I sometimes express an opinion on an issue where I'm not an expert, but I pretty much always preface it with a reference to the fact that this is only my opinion, and that I'm not an expert. I have not seen Daniel do this. So, while there are very good reasons why I should have kept my mouth shut about Daniel and just continued to ignore him, I failed to do so. However, I have no problem with what I said. For some reason Daniel has decided to attack the 7 of us who are trying to help every player in the poker world, and I find that very distasteful. As far as I know, he never came up to any of us and asked us why we were doing this. As far as I know, he immediately decided (on his own or with the prompting of the WPT) that we were wrong, and went after us. I thought Daniel was smart enough to understand that maybe he should educate himself on an issue before jumping to (and publicizing) a conclusion. Maybe I was wrong. And to those of you who have supported me and our lawsuit in this thread, I express my thanks. As I said above, I am spending my own money, without any expectation of making a profit, let alone getting that money back, to help all of us. The only disappointment in this whole process to date has been those very few poker players who have posted here and on other forums their displeasure with us for our decision to file this lawsuit. I am sad that they don't understand how we are doing this to help them. Later, Greg Raymer (FossilMan) |
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nice reply fossilman
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Daniel did not go to law school, nor even to college. He knows nothing about the law, and has never studied it. However, he is openly and continually expressing his opinions about the lawsuit to the public. He knows or should know that his doing so will tend to turn at least some of the public opinion against the plaintiffs. And he knows or should know that his legal opinion is worthless, since he has zero training or experience in the area of antitrust law. [/ QUOTE ] I watched Daniel's blog, and my take was not that he felt that the lawsuit was invalid or had no chance of winning or that he was giving a legal opinion of any sort. He simply felt that it was bad for poker, believing that you are trying to take advantage of the catch-22; many of the players are famous because of the WPT, but they WPT should in no way use their fame. I think it's a reasonable point - how many book deals, video games, commentary jobs did Howard Lederer have before the WPT? Isn't it at least fair to consider that the WPT should gain *something* from the work they did to help him gain all of these things? To put it another way, the WPT inflated the value of all of these players, and now the players are saying that the WPT has to pay the extra price. He also indicated that he personally had never had an issue with the WPT mis-using his name or likeness, and that he wasn't aware of other players having any problem, in fact citing a previous instance where there *was* a small issue, and the WPT addressed it immediately. I think his feeling is, win or lose, the "Lawsuit 7" are putting their individual gain ahead of the overall poker world. I can't say I'm unsympathetic to his position, at least until the WPT does something that players can point to and say "See, they are exploiting me." If you have examples, I would certainly listen and re-evaluate my position. |
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I was surprised also when DN was going off on the lawsuit...he is verbally attacking a well-educated group. do you think Jesus Phd, ANDY BLOCH who went to HARVARD LAW, and Fossilman know what they're getting themselves into....it's just more of that 20 year old Negreanu coming out again.
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As I said above, I am spending my own money, without any expectation of making a profit, let alone getting that money back, to help all of us. [/ QUOTE ] Greg: As stated I think yours is a very noble cause. However there is some confusion which is added after listening to Howard's interview on the circuit, they discussed the fact that during discovery damages may be determined. Although it was not stated as such I would assume that a goal of discovery would be to determine how much money was made from selling products with the likenesses of Howard Lederer or the rest of the plaintiffs. Can you provide additional insight, or a copy of the filing (which I assume is a matter of public record, please correct me if I am wrong) so I can educate myself better about the case? I understand that you may not be able to discuss discovery at this time of course. PS: to those who doubted Greg's background on the subject, patent law is a subset of intellectual property. Therefore I don't think there is a better person qualified to be a plaintiff in this case than Greg Raymer, please show him your support. TT [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] |
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I watched Daniel's blog, and my take was not that he felt that the lawsuit was invalid or had no chance of winning or that he was giving a legal opinion of any sort. He simply felt that it was bad for poker, believing that you are trying to take advantage of the catch-22; many of the players are famous because of the WPT, but they WPT should in no way use their fame. I think it's a reasonable point - how many book deals, video games, commentary jobs did Howard Lederer have before the WPT? [/ QUOTE ] As a poker player, I was familiar with almost all of these players prior to the World Poker Tour. In fact, the only reason I watched the WPT was so that I could get to see these players in action more often. Therefore, you could argue exactly the opposite: that the World Poker Tour actually owes these players, because without them, there'd be nothing to watch. [ QUOTE ] Isn't it at least fair to consider that the WPT should gain *something* from the work they did to help him gain all of these things? [/ QUOTE ] The WPT does gain something from their investment. They have a successful television show, and a range of moneymaking spinoffs. As for the WPT already exploiting players, Andy Bloch gives the example of the creation of a WPT game that uses players images, etc. without their permission. I wonder how would Negreanu feel if they did this to him, and then advertised their game opposite Stacked? |
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wow FCP is really lame.
gl with the lawsuit greg and nice post |
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