Cheaters and UB and Phil...oh my!
 

Recently, I entered a contest at billvsphil.com(a promotion held by UB) where the winner of the best video impersonation(as voted on by internet viewers) would win a trip out to Vegas to get treated like a VIP for a few days and for a meet and greet with Phil Hellmuth and also get to play some poker with him. Some might not think it's a big deal, but with work and family, I haven't had a chance to go on a vacation for about 10 years now. Also have been promising the wife that we would go to Vegas for our honeymoon for several years now. Besides the fact that I respect Phil's game a great deal and would really enjoy meeting him and picking his brain.

I figured i'd have a little fun(perhaps too much fun...wig, bra, high voice...what could be funner?) with it and give it a try. I did an impersonation of Annie Duke winning her first WSOP bracelet and submitted it. When I saw that only 5 videos were submitted in total by the deadline and that I had a 20% chance to win right off the bat, I thought my chances were great!

The rules were simple...1 vote per PC was all that was supposed to be allowed.

I tried to check the voting standings as often as I could in the beginning. I watched several times as the top 2 vote-getters would get hundreds of votes in spurts...sometimes they would all come within minutes(2-3 per as quick as I could hit refresh) and other times they would get their hundreds over a couple hours(slow and steady at like 2-3 per minute). The other 3 of us got like 2-3 per hour if we were lucky...coincidentally the same as the top 2 during the other 20 or so hours a day these spurts weren't going on.

This led me to start investigating on how to bypass the 1 vote per PC that was supposed to be in place, as there was no way that many votes could have happened that quick by individual PCs. Finally, after a series of testing, I figured out that you could block the cookie from being placed and just keep hitting refresh and it would rack up the vote count very quickly. Obviously, that's what these guys had been doing.

While I could have used all this information to do the same things as these other guys and just have an all-out clicking war like they were doing, I am not a cheater. I wouldn't want to dishonestly win something that I did not deserve because I found a flaw and exploited it. These guys have made it obvious that they did it with malicious intent and flat-out blatantly cheated in order to win. I knew I had to let someone know what was going on here.

I tried contacting someone involved with this promotion through UB support, but after 3 weeks now and several emails(some with URGENT and ATTN: EMMA in the subject line as suggested), I never received a response back from them other then "Thank you for contacting us. We have forwarded your message to the appropriate department. Feel free to contact us if you require further assistance" a few times. I finally got ahold of a guy through YouTube's(site where the videos were uploaded to) messaging service that worked at Loudvision Marketing(agency that provides marketing to UB) and he gave me his direct email address at Loudvision. I sent him the same message I sent to UB support and he ended up calling me on the phone that night. He ADMITTED that there was a mistake in the script that they did not catch during in-house testing that allowed more then 1 vote per PC using this exploit(which could have prevented if someone from UB got back to me when I had tried contacting them several times in the 2 weeks prior). He also ADMITTED that DIGITALWAFFLE(winner of the contest) and HULL16 had indeed cheated and racked up their own vote count. In the end, by looking at the billvsphil.com site right now, it looks as if DIGITALWAFFLE had given himself over 1200 votes and HULL16 had given himself over 1500 votes...and that's only the ones they got caught on as the guy said he was writing a script to remove any votes within 10 seconds of each other. So, all the slow and steady ones they did over a couple hours all stuck.

I do not understand how these guys could so blatantly cheat and yet still be allowed to win. Would UB allow a cheater on their site? Would Phil Hellmuth allow a cheater to play in a poker game with him(well, I guess he will be tonight, beings the winner will be doing just that)? Would you? I would think the answers to be a very straight-forward NO. Hell, not only would cheating not be allowed, but most times you'd get banned/ass kicked for it.

I feel like a 2 outter just knocked me out of a tournament. I feel very wronged and am disgusted about the outcome of this contest as should the other 2 guys that submitted an entry. I really want opinions on who is at fault here. Is it myself for being stupid enough to have morals and should have just clicked myself into the win? Is it UB for not caring enough to look into this and allowing cheating? Is it the idiot marketing agency that doesn't know how to correctly run a promotion?

I have emails into UB support(first one sent like 3+ weeks ago now) and to Phil Hellmuth and Phil Hellmuth's poker agent, Brian Balsbaugh(sent about a week ago). Not one has responded. Understandably, Phil probably hasn't even looked at an email since the WSOP began, but I thought UB had more integrity then this.

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That's awful. Thanks for sharing the story.

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That's a disgrace in my opinion. I think both UB & the marketing company are at fault.

The question I would ask is why weren't the 2 cheaters just outright disqualified? What's this nonsense of removing votes within 10 seconds? That's crap. You cheat you get disqualified. End of story.

I think you should make an attempt to contact the other people who didn't cheat & get them to bitch at UB & the marketing company with you.

I don't know how the situation can be made right now but I think something should be done & you at the very least deserve some kind of response from UB. While this isn't directly their fault, they ran the promotion & are therefore responsible for it.

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While I could have used all this information to do the same things as these other guys and just have an all-out clicking war like they were doing, I am not a cheater.

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clicking war nothing... I'd spend 5 minutes or so cooking up a curl script that would do all the submitting for me automatically 24 hours a day (or at least just enough to maintain a slight lead over the other videos).

By the way, their web programmers who relied solely on client-side validation to enforce the 1 vote per PC rule are morons. At a bare minimum, they need to be recording the IP address of the PC submitting the vote along with their vote. Very simple, and reasonably effective for something like this.

Edit: since most of you have no idea what curl is, it's a command line program that will automatically send form information or web requests to a web server.

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1 vote per IP address, easy filter. Standard for something like this.

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I think all of 2+2 should boycott UB. Starting right now! GO!

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It fits your avatar.

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The question I would ask is why weren't the 2 cheaters just outright disqualified? What's this nonsense of removing votes within 10 seconds? That's crap. You cheat you get disqualified. End of story.



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DigitalWaffle did not win via self-voting. Digitalwaffle won because he made a funny video and had the support of all the goons at SomethingAwful that liked his video and voted for him zealously.

Digitalwaffle is from SA, which is where Bill Fillmaff originated. So if anyone's deserves to win this, it's one of them. The character of Fillmaff, the Filmaff video series, and the Bill vs. Phil promotion have SA written all over them.

Sorry that you didn't win and you're upset.

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DigitalWaffle did not win via self-voting. Digitalwaffle won because he made a funny video and had the support of all the goons at SomethingAwful that liked his video and voted for him zealously.

Digitalwaffle is from SA, which is where Bill Fillmaff originated. So if anyone's deserves to win this, it's one of them. The character of Fillmaff, the Filmaff video series, and the Bill vs. Phil promotion have SA written all over them.

Sorry that you didn't win and you're upset.



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dude are you a moron??

did you read ops post at all?

He receieved a phone call from the company that was hosting the contest and they even said that the two guys were cheating? Read post before bashing please

On another note this totaly sucks and I hope op that you recieve some sort of apology or something at the min.

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There are lots of ways to do this. You could also download and modify their web page, and write a javascript with a loop to keep submitting (if you target the form to a different window, this works, at least in IE). I certainly hope the idiots that designed the "security" for the web promotion aren't the same people in charge of security for the poker site. You could also do it with wget, a perl script or c program using sockets, or even a shell script using telnet. Curl is probably the easiest.

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DigitalWaffle did not win via self-voting. Digitalwaffle won because he made a funny video and had the support of all the goons at SomethingAwful that liked his video and voted for him zealously.

Digitalwaffle is from SA, which is where Bill Fillmaff originated. So if anyone's deserves to win this, it's one of them. The character of Fillmaff, the Filmaff video series, and the Bill vs. Phil promotion have SA written all over them.

Sorry that you didn't win and you're upset.



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dude are you a moron??

did you read ops post at all?

He receieved a phone call from the company that was hosting the contest and they even said that the two guys were cheating? Read post before bashing please

On another note this totaly sucks and I hope op that you recieve some sort of apology or something at the min.

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'I finally got ahold of a guy through YouTube's(site where the videos were uploaded to) messaging service that worked at Loudvision Marketing(agency that provides marketing to UB) and he gave me his direct email address at Loudvision. I sent him the same message I sent to UB support and he ended up calling me on the phone that night. He ADMITTED that there was a mistake in the script that they did not catch during in-house testing that allowed more then 1 vote per PC using this exploit(which could have prevented if someone from UB got back to me when I had tried contacting them several times in the 2 weeks prior). He also ADMITTED that DIGITALWAFFLE(winner of the contest) and HULL16 had indeed cheated and racked up their own vote count.'

No, I read it all. He talked to a marketing guy through Youtube who was affiliated with a 3rd party marketing firm that worked on marketing for UB. The firm, not necessarily him. Regardless, marketing does not equal coding or debugging.

A random marketing guy who might have never even worked on the project and CERTAINLY is no coding/security expert for the voting site is certainly <u>not</u> the same thing as 'He receieved a phone call from the company that was hosting the contest and they even said that the two guys were cheating?'.

Either the marketing guy is a total moron for making assertive statements about 'mistakes in the script' and 'exploits' (even though he works in marketing) or the OP is confused/exaggerating.

Do you see why?

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Now you are being a jackass to 2 people in this thread. I don't see why.

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No, I read it all. He talked to a marketing guy through Youtube who was affiliated with a 3rd party marketing firm that worked on marketing for UB. The firm, not necessarily him. Regardless, marketing does not equal coding or debugging.

A random marketing guy who might have never even worked on the project and CERTAINLY is no coding/security expert for the voting site is certainly not the same thing as 'He receieved a phone call from the company that was hosting the contest and they even said that the two guys were cheating?'.

Either the marketing guy is a total moron for making assertive statements about 'mistakes in the script' and 'exploits' (even though he works in marketing) or the OP is confused/exaggerating.

Do you see why?


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Let's not start making [censored] up just because "he's your boy".

I said I spoke with the guy through YouTube's MESSAGING SERVICE . He had nothing to do with YouTube nor was he a third party.

Do you even know how marketing works before you continue your self-righteous tirade? This marketing agency IS the promotion. A marketing agency says to UB "here is our idea"...UB turns to Phil and says "here is marketing firms idea, what do you think"...Phil says to UB "sure, sounds great, let's do it"...UB says to marketing agency "Ok, Phil says it's a go, let's run with it"...marketing agency says "Great, we won't let you down and run a promotion that is 100% our baby, but not very legit and make you look bad". The only thing UB has to do with it is their name, but yet because it's their name they also have final say in what's going on and can intervene so they don't end up getting a bad rap.

I hate to do this as, to me, it really violates a privacy issue, but here is a direct quote from "unnamed marketing dude" via an email...

"Hi Guanaco,

Sorry for the late reply as I don't often check the inbox on YouTube, but my name is "unnamed marketing dude" and if I could help you out I will.

I put together the Bill vs. Phil promotion as well as the site itself, so I should be able to answer any question you throw at me.

Let me know, and thanks again for your submission!

Cheers,

"unnamed marketing dude""

We then had a phone conversation that lasted roughly 25-30 minutes where he told me he screwed up with the script and didn't block the IP addresses, just the PC itself by placing the cookie.

To further my point, the guy even changed the text on the voting web page to read, at different times, that "cheating is for donkey's" and "the final votes are in and we are tallying them to see who the winner is. You may be saying to yourself, "What I see the numbers right here?", but alas cheating was involved so we are still doing the number crunching and it's anyone's race." Too bad I didn't take screenshots of the page as it said different things.

Also, anyone that was following along could see at one point that DIGITALWAFFLE's vote count had been over 2000 at one time and HULL16's vote count over 2200. You can see for yourself the final tally after the "unnamed marketing guy" ran his lame "10 second script" at http://billvsphil.com/your-videos.php

I think the other 3 of us had like 40 total votes taken away from us put together and 30 of them was most likely my testing to make sure I knew what I was talking about before I contacted someone.

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DigitalWaffle did not win via self-voting. Digitalwaffle won because he made a funny video and had the support of all the goons at SomethingAwful that liked his video and voted for him zealously.

Digitalwaffle is from SA, which is where Bill Fillmaff originated. So if anyone's deserves to win this, it's one of them. The character of Fillmaff, the Filmaff video series, and the Bill vs. Phil promotion have SA written all over them.


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Oh, I see...he had goons do the cheating for him you say? I guess this is the "it's about who you know, not what you can do" scenario? Congrats to Bill Filmaff and everyone at SA then for getting your boy the win? Scumbags!

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Everyone else, thank you very much for your support in this thread. I'm doing all I can to get an answer from someone at UB or Phil himself. If you happen to see him while you're in Vegas for the rest of the WSOP, please feel free to pass this thread on to him.

I have also received a PM from someone saying they stopped playing at UB because something similar happened to them during another promotion and they got the same "Thank you, we'll pass it on" type of email and nothing more.

I will let everyone here know if/when I do hear from someone. I'm sure you guys are as concerned as I, beings alot of us play at UB.

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haha crossdresser.

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haha crossdresser.

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DigitalWaffle did not win via self-voting. Digitalwaffle won because he made a funny video and had the support of all the goons at SomethingAwful that liked his video and voted for him zealously.

Digitalwaffle is from SA, which is where Bill Fillmaff originated. So if anyone's deserves to win this, it's one of them. The character of Fillmaff, the Filmaff video series, and the Bill vs. Phil promotion have SA written all over them.

Sorry that you didn't win and you're upset.



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dude are you a moron??

did you read ops post at all?

He receieved a phone call from the company that was hosting the contest and they even said that the two guys were cheating? Read post before bashing please

On another note this totaly sucks and I hope op that you recieve some sort of apology or something at the min.

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'I finally got ahold of a guy through YouTube's(site where the videos were uploaded to) messaging service that worked at Loudvision Marketing(agency that provides marketing to UB) and he gave me his direct email address at Loudvision. I sent him the same message I sent to UB support and he ended up calling me on the phone that night. He ADMITTED that there was a mistake in the script that they did not catch during in-house testing that allowed more then 1 vote per PC using this exploit(which could have prevented if someone from UB got back to me when I had tried contacting them several times in the 2 weeks prior). He also ADMITTED that DIGITALWAFFLE(winner of the contest) and HULL16 had indeed cheated and racked up their own vote count.'

No, I read it all. He talked to a marketing guy through Youtube who was affiliated with a 3rd party marketing firm that worked on marketing for UB. The firm, not necessarily him. Regardless, marketing does not equal coding or debugging.

A random marketing guy who might have never even worked on the project and CERTAINLY is no coding/security expert for the voting site is certainly <u>not</u> the same thing as 'He receieved a phone call from the company that was hosting the contest and they even said that the two guys were cheating?'.

Either the marketing guy is a total moron for making assertive statements about 'mistakes in the script' and 'exploits' (even though he works in marketing) or the OP is confused/exaggerating.

Do you see why?

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stop making your self look bad and just quit posting...

Llamma caught a winner of a promo cheating, and this was also confirmed by the person hosting/running the site and you are saying he is "confused/exaggerating it"

dude if this [censored] happend to me I would be just as pissed if not more.

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haha crossdresser.

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Let's not start making fun of my wife now...someone had to play Howard Lederer!

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hiya llama. long time..

i'm sorry to hear of this.

i wish i could say i am surprised. you have been around a long time.

don't you remember this absolute abortion in UB's history?

anyway, hope you get some compensation.

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Man this sucks. Looking forward to an update.

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ub support is so bad

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A few people make it sound bad if digital waffle had the SA goons help him win a trip to vegas. I dont see how that is any different than people at twoplus two banding together to send tribefan to the wsop.

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A few people make it sound bad if digital waffle had the SA goons help him win a trip to vegas. I dont see how that is any different than people at twoplus two banding together to send tribefan to the wsop.

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If people were cheating by deleting cookies so as to vote multiple times, than that is bad. I'm not familiar with exactly what was done for tribesfan, but I'm guessing it didn't involve people cheating.

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Oh, I see...he had goons do the cheating for him you say? I guess this is the "it's about who you know, not what you can do" scenario? Congrats to Bill Filmaff and everyone at SA then for getting your boy the win? Scumbags!

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Jman, I totally agree if people were clearing cookies and revoting that is a crappy thing to do. I was alluding to the quote from OP that made him sound pissed that DigitalWaffle got the SA people to vote for him. I don't read the SA forums very often anymore, hence I dont know exactly what happened here, but I do know if the ok is given for the forums to vote for one of there own in an online contest odds are they are going to win.

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cracker, that quote is pure sarcasm. I wasn't pissed that anyone had anyone vote for them...

Fact of the matter is the winner had over 1200 votes cast "illegally", so I was alluding to what the guy said about the winner didn't cheat by "self-voting" rather "SA voted for him zealousy".

Kind of made it sound to me like he was saying the winner didn't do the cheating himself, he had the SA people do it for him, so it's ok.

I hope you understand where I was coming from in that quote now.

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Ok I misunderstood you. I apologize.

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Granny, I do remember that, vaguely. That was back in the day when there was hardly any spam on RGP and poker was just starting to get it's mainstream feet wet.

I'd really love to know if UB employed the same marketing agency back then that is with them today.

I tried posting this on RGP too, but it was quickly drowned out by all the spam and had only 1 comment with someone telling me I should have cheated too and that Phil was a "Douchebucket" anyways.

I really wish this could get to that many "people in the know" like it could back then. I'd love to hear what they thought, although this is on a very lower scale. Alas, i'm probably thought of as just some peon that can be replaced by 20 new players that saw poker on TV and wanted to try online and that maybe if they ignore this it will go away.

I'm still hoping that maybe they do the right thing here...and not just by me that would have won with the next highest votes, but by the other 2 as well. They didn't deserve to get the shaft in a dishonest contest either.

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This is too bad. I really think the primary problem is that UB didn't anticipate what a retarded way of judging the contest this was, and that it is inherintly exploitable whatever measures you put in place.

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So where is the video? Let's see it!

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Granny, I do remember that, vaguely. That was back in the day when there was hardly any spam on RGP and poker was just starting to get it's mainstream feet wet.

I'd really love to know if UB employed the same marketing agency back then that is with them today.

I tried posting this on RGP too, but it was quickly drowned out by all the spam and had only 1 comment with someone telling me I should have cheated too and that Phil was a "Douchebucket" anyways.

I really wish this could get to that many "people in the know" like it could back then. I'd love to hear what they thought, although this is on a very lower scale. Alas, i'm probably thought of as just some peon that can be replaced by 20 new players that saw poker on TV and wanted to try online and that maybe if they ignore this it will go away.

I'm still hoping that maybe they do the right thing here...and not just by me that would have won with the next highest votes, but by the other 2 as well. They didn't deserve to get the shaft in a dishonest contest either.

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llama,

i would doubt it is the same marketing firm. however, the marketing firms have always been under the direct control of UB and its operators. the names may have changed, but the integrity issue is no different. UB needs to stand by the 'one vote per pc' rule, even if it meant sending ALL of you to play with phil as a gesture of trying to repair what went wrong.

my point in bringing that disaster back into the foreground is that it speaks to the standards and pactices of UB. standards and practices that clearly have not changed since the previous debacle.

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So where is the video? Let's see it!

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The videos are at billvsphil.com, for sake of nostalgia I guess.

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Sorry to hear about this! As usuall UB comes through again!
I knew you were screwed when I read this in your post.

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I tried contacting someone involved with this promotion through UB support

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I think they got it right. The best video won anyway.

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Now you are being a jackass to 2 people in this thread. I don't see why.

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That was a good one, for several reasons!

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I think they got it right. The best video won anyway.

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Quite possibly true, but then why cheat if you already know you have the best one?

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The question I would ask is why weren't the 2 cheaters just outright disqualified? What's this nonsense of removing votes within 10 seconds? That's crap. You cheat you get disqualified. End of story.



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Account closed and funds seized would also be nice too. After all this is a valuable prize package illegitimately won, as detailed by OP.
Regards,
Carl

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Hi All (mostly LLAMA),

I am the un-named marketing guy who put the whole Bill vs. Phil thing together. It seems like this thread is blown way out of proportion and I wanted to address a few things to clear it up.

First off the video submission contest had a flaw in the script which I didn't see when testing within the network. I had the script working via IP address and writing it to the database, but by human error an older version of the script that checked IPs in the database but did not write new ones went up, and alas testing different computers within the network provided successful results.

I then got a message from LLAMA in my YouTube inbox which alerted me to the problem. I instantly called him after I did indeed verify that there was a problem.

After the call which LLAMA stated he contacted UB support, I let them know that I had control of the issue and to move on to the next person as to not tie up valuable resources.

Once the script was repaired to only allow one person per IP, I ran a script accross all the videos that provided consistant results for voting gaps. I did this to a) filter out possible scripts that were voting like crazy and b) so that each persons video would take a voting hit as required.

Because of the length of time between contest completion and the actual trip to Vegas it was the way to go to provide some fairness given the situation.

Why were they not disqualified? Because if that was the reason then no one would've won. Every single person voted for themself multiple times after they saw they could, so in the spirit of actualy having a winner, I thought it would be best to run a script to kill the multiple votes.

I do appreciate LLAMA's entry and it was good as were the others.

Cheers,

Endo

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Why were they not disqualified? Because if that was the reason then no one would've won. Every single person voted for themself multiple times after they saw they could, so in the spirit of actualy having a winner, I thought it would be best to run a script to kill the multiple votes.

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"This led me to start investigating on how to bypass the 1 vote per PC that was supposed to be in place, as there was no way that many votes could have happened that quick by individual PCs. Finally, after a series of testing, I figured out that you could block the cookie from being placed and just keep hitting refresh and it would rack up the vote count very quickly. Obviously, that's what these guys had been doing."

This is the only time I voted for myself multiple times and I told you about it in my email. I wasn't about to contact support without doing the testing and knowing exactly what I was talking about. My exact quote was "I tested this out and was able to rack up around 30 votes in around 10 seconds." I even gave dates and times supporting everything I did and saw.

The only other time I intentionally voted for myself in duplicate was when you asked me to during our phone conversation so you could see if the script was then working and also get my IP address. I did so and also emailed you the time I did it and my IP address.

Also, if the other 2 below me had voted for themselves multiple times, then why did the one guy barely have over 100 votes and the guy beneath him around 60? I would think if they knew how to duplicate their votes that they would have made a greater effort then that when the other guys were clicking themselves into the 2000 mark.

Also, the first couple days of voting, you could not even tell if the vote was going through. There was no confirmation and the vote button kept coming back. I had to contact you through YouTube and let you know that as well. After that you coded in a confirmation message and you could see the vote counts.

I just don't understand why this wasn't all in place before the voting even began. None of any of this could have happened if the promotion was run correctly in the first place. "in the spirit of actualy having a winner" you say? When 2 guys had close to 3000 duplicate votes between them and the other 3 had maybe 40-60 duplicates(most coming by my admitted testing, with date and times to verify), then I think the right thing would have been to eliminate the blatant cheaters.

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Wow .. I can't believe there's this much conversation about this. There's more conversation here than legitimate votes.

I also produced a video which is available on You Tube

I tried to post this response to your comment there .. but so far, there's a server error.

"Interesting ... sorry to hear that ... I sort of thought that something like that would be possible. Indeed ... it seems the website that hosts my most popular video of "The World's Ugliest Dog Contest" had a similar problem ... more than once. As it says in this forum ... easy. Ah well ... If it were possible one can wish that UB would decide, what the heck, let's get these guys up to Vegas and show them a good time. They do that kind of thing, you know?"

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