Oaks Card Club in Emeryville, CA
 

I know it is illegal to have NLHE in Emeryville, but does this place spread one of those NL/Spread limit Hold'em things were the max you can bet on any round is $200 or something?

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Doesn't look like it:

http://poker.wikia.com/wiki/Oaks#Games

MarkT is very thorough; I'm pretty sure he'd have mentioned it if it were spread there.

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I was there on 7/14 while traveling. No it didn't spread any sort of NL or (wide) Spread Limit game.

There was discussion about it between a regular and the floor, but no real info to be gleaned about exactly why not.

JWP

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no, theyd have a tough time competing against several real NL games nearby

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theyd have a tough time competing against several real NL games nearby

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Where are these NL games located?

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Casino San Pablo and Cache Creek have nl games.

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I think Artichoke Joe's is spreading NL again.

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Just got back from Oaks 10 minutes ago. The spread 15/30, and on busy nights 30/60, but no spread/NL games. San Pablo: yes, Lucky Chances: yes.

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Do they have NL here now? This article implies they do.

Anyone have any recent reports on this place? (Heading to Cal game tomorrow and might hit it up)

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I think Artichoke Joe's is spreading NL again.

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This is only true in the sense that they can offer it. However, no one is going to play under the proposed structure:

1-1-2 blinds with a $500 min buy in.

Either cater to the lower end players or high end players, but don't try to go in the middle.

Garland

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I think Artichoke Joe's is spreading NL again.

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This is only true in the sense that they can offer it. However, no one is going to play under the proposed structure:

1-1-2 blinds with a $500 min buy in.

Either cater to the lower end players or high end players, but don't try to go in the middle.

No, the Oaks does not have no-limit cash games. The article must refer to tournaments or some other place.

Garland

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I think Artichoke Joe's is spreading NL again.

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This is only true in the sense that they can offer it. However, no one is going to play under the proposed structure:

1-1-2 blinds with a $500 min buy in.

Either cater to the lower end players or high end players, but don't try to go in the middle.

Garland

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I think people would play in it. The problem is they are making no effort to get the game going. Ask the brush about no limit and they say they have limit only. Only when you specifically ask about the 1-1-2 game will they admit it's theoretical existence, although the game has never run.

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I think Artichoke Joe's is spreading NL again.

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This is only true in the sense that they can offer it. However, no one is going to play under the proposed structure:

1-1-2 blinds with a $500 min buy in.

Either cater to the lower end players or high end players, but don't try to go in the middle.

Garland

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LOL wow that is awful.

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I think Artichoke Joe's is spreading NL again.

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This is only true in the sense that they can offer it. However, no one is going to play under the proposed structure:

1-1-2 blinds with a $500 min buy in.

Either cater to the lower end players or high end players, but don't try to go in the middle.

Garland

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Yeah they seem pretty commited to not running it . I wonder how the electronic table is going. I think I saw Garland playing last week while waiting for a seat, so maybe he has some insight.

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The last time I was there, the electronic table was going non-stop. People that played in a previous sit-n-go have first dibs on the seat for the next one. It looked like several people were just camped out.

It might be costing the casino a little money. Once a person is knocked out, they don't want to get involved in a cash game becuase the next sit-n-go may start within the next 30 minutes, or whenever. So they just hang around doing nothing, waiting for the next one to start.

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Played at the Oaks tonight. Mostly $30-$60 once I got a seat. They had $15-$30 going also, but I only got to play about 2 orbits before the feeder table broke.

Seemed to be a decently run room. Food looked and smelled good. Dealers were very good, and the staff and players were helpful to the three "kids" i brought with me who were playing live $1-$2 for the first time. Would go back.

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Yeah they seem pretty commited to not running it . I wonder how the electronic table is going. I think I saw Garland playing last week while waiting for a seat, so maybe he has some insight.

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Yes, I played 4 times total on it. Lost twice. Made two deals to win $100 in one game and $170 in another. So up $110 overall.

The players are horrifically bad. Either way passive or all-in mode aggressive. People gave me a hard time because I wouldn't make a deal 3 ways when I had the chip lead and way the best of it simply because there are people in line wanting to play. Even with the 15% rake ($6 of $40), the game is very much EV+ to me, but not enough to take me away from the $15/$30 game. It takes awhile to play, and right now there's a lot of "How do you do this? How do you do that?" which slows up the game.

BTW, NotMitch, do I know you at all?

Garland

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Yeah they seem pretty commited to not running it . I wonder how the electronic table is going. I think I saw Garland playing last week while waiting for a seat, so maybe he has some insight.

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Yes, I played 4 times total on it. Lost twice. Made two deals to win $100 in one game and $170 in another. So up $110 overall.

The players are horrifically bad. Either way passive or all-in mode aggressive. People gave me a hard time because I wouldn't make a deal 3 ways when I had the chip lead and way the best of it simply because there are people in line wanting to play. Even with the 15% rake ($6 of $40), the game is very much EV+ to me, but not enough to take me away from the $15/$30 game. It takes awhile to play, and right now there's a lot of "How do you do this? How do you do that?" which slows up the game.

BTW, NotMitch, do I know you at all?

Garland

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No but I heard you being called to a game and made an educated guess, was going to say hello but didnt get a good moment. Ill introduce myself if I see at AJ's again.
I play mostly 6/12 and dabble in the 15/30.

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I think Artichoke Joe's is spreading NL again.

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This is only true in the sense that they can offer it. However, no one is going to play under the proposed structure:

1-1-2 blinds with a $500 min buy in.

Either cater to the lower end players or high end players, but don't try to go in the middle.

Garland

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If they could get this format going, it has the potential to be a monster. From other threads on this same subject, I don't think they really want to spread it.

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I don't think Oaks would have a hard time competing at all. There is no good NL on the east bay. San Pablo has 2 games max of 2-2-2 4 to open 100 max buy in NL. Its okay, but pretty much sucks. Lucky Chances in nice, but on the wrong side of the bay.

Oaks has NL tournaments, no NL cash.. very good dealers, decent food, and a good floor

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If they could get this format going, it has the potential to be a monster. From other threads on this same subject, I don't think they really want to spread it.

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Yes, I can understand this point of view. They even had a piece of paper "advertising" 1-1-2 blinds 500 min, taped behind their standing tournament ad on the front desk, but one problem: The paper with the no-limit advertising was flipped on the other side of the stand, so that no one could see it.

However, evidence is still there that people don't actually want to play it:

(a) People know about it. The floorman talks about it. It doesn't take long for word to spread, and if several people ask for it, they will start a game. I'm probably one of only a handful to ask for it.

(b) If the casino doesn't want really want to spread it, then they don't have to spread it.

1-1-2 isn't the sticking point, it's the 500 min. Make it 200 to 300 and then I think people will come out of the woodwork. The blinds are too small for the high-rollers, and the minimum buy-in is too big for the small timers.

Just look at Lucky Chances 1-1-2, and Hayward's 1-2-2. They have minimums that are affordable to the small time gamblers.

Garland