This is NOT the Guy to Pick a Fight With. So Let\'s Break it Down. 6M
 

PP NL 100, 6-max, 6-handed

What hand do I need to call with? What hand do you think Villain had? What hand do you think I had?

Hero has $220; Villain covers.

Reads: Villain is about 24/12/2 in 1k hands. He has made moves before; he made bluffs on scare cards; he has gone stretches where he plays like a rock; he can be tricky. I respect him -- he's not spectactular, but certainly no donk. I think he respects me enough, too.

Preflop: Hero is Button with XX. Villain raises UTG to $4, folds to Hero, Hero re-raises to $15, Villain calls.

Flop: ($31) Q[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 7[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 2[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]

Villain checks, Hero bets $26, Villain calls.

Turn: ($83) 6[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]

Villain checks, Hero bets $65, Villain shoves.

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He puts you on AA/KK and shoves a safe turn with a set or 76s.

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I don't know what your image is, but against a solid player and when I'm not in superhigh gear I would check behind on the turn unless I were bluffing/had a set.

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I would need QQ, 66, or 77 to feel comfortable here. I'm still calling with 22, and I probably call with KK/AA like a donk in the heat of the moment, though I think they should be folds. I think if he was going to make a move with a draw he would have done it on the flop, I thikn the turn push is > 2 pair most of the time

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UTG: AA-JJ

Button: AQ-1010

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What hand do I need to call with?

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A set of queens. I really think villain took a gamble slow playing a set OOP with 2-hearts on the board, and decided to check/push the turn when he figured you might be pot-committed with a good, but not-better-than-his-set type of hand.

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What hand do you think Villain had?

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A set of queens or sevens. Maybe even AA/KK. Given your read and history, this is all I can see, unless he likes to float cb's with hands like 66, in which case he turned a set of 6s. Sure, he might be making a move with some combination draw like 8h 9h or Ah Kh, or whatever, but this is a really good move if he doesn't have the set he's represting. So I'd fold without the queens.


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What hand do you think I had?

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AA, KK, QQ, Ah Kh, Ax Qx, Kx Qx, 89s (possibly hearts)

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Isn't his line a standard line for AA,KK (or, I suppose .. maaaaybe, A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] K[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] or a set)? He doesn't really think you're putting yourself in a spot to fold getting 2:1, does he?
Edit: changed "A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] K[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] or QQ" to "A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] K[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] or a set" .. not really sure, but I think it's better

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9[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]8[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] or a set of 7s

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Isn't his line a standard line for AA,KK (or, I suppose .. maaaaybe, A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] K[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] or QQ)? He doesn't really think you're putting yourself in a spot to fold getting 2:1, does he?

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EXACTLY what I thought. He knows my re-raising range is pretty wide, so I thought he might be trapping with AA, KK, or even QQ. But I felt it was more likely to be one of the formers.

Incidentally, I called, I was ahead, and I lost the hand. No one has guessed my hand yet.

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Looks like you have AA or KK, maybe AQ. You can very reasonably have QQ here, but I dont think so since you're posting the hand. And that's the only realistic holding that I can have that would allow me to call there.

I would probably call with 67, 77 and 66 too, but I'd be less likely to have reraised in this pot.

I might call with AhKh but I'm not getting odds to draw at the flush and I can't really see how any pair outs can be good here so I probbaly have ot find a fold there, too.

Villain has a set or two pair. that's it.

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76 lost to a rivered flush?

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You have JJ or KK. Tough spot. I call with KK, fold JJ.

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76 lost to a rivered flush?

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76 vs. AA. River was a 2.

Anyone fold that turn? Also, check behind on the turn?

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76 vs. AA. River was a 2.



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damn, i'm good

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damn, you've got them reversed.

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damn, you've got them reversed.

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LOL

Aces Dad,

Bet the turn? Check behind? Call the push? I think the call was marginal.

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His hand looks lot like As/K's/Q's, so like the turn play (bet/call).

He played 1pair pretty aggro 200 BB's deep. He likely thought you had K's but I'm surprised he wasn't scared of Q's.

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damn, you've got them reversed.

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LOL

Aces Dad,

Bet the turn? Check behind? Call the push? I think the call was marginal.

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I forgot to say I like a turn check behind in spots liek these.

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damn, you've got them reversed.

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damn i suck

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I doubt I'd check the turn with 2 pair. His turn push kinda sucks...

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damn, epdaws is a badass mofo. his play in this hand is absolutely horrid given your style.

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Normal stacks you see AA/KK here often enough to make your turn play the right line.

Given 200BB's check turn is prudent and hope to get one more bet in on river.

Turn call is tough, I think you see Q's more than A's more than K's given the action, so a case could be made for laying it down.

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Yeah I agree, he must put ep on only K's to play this way ...

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damn, epdaws is a badass mofo. his play in this hand is absolutely horrid given your style.

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Mmph, I think Aces Dad might have a point. Turn call is marginal.

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I can say it's tough but I know I pay off too much in the heat of the battle ...

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What's the Villian's read on the Hero's button play?

If the villian has QQ/77/22, he's willing to check it twice to the Hero before dropping the hammer. If the villian respects the hero's play, then he has to know a check behind is possible on the turn. That's pretty risky given the FD.

I think the villian has to have a draw or bluff, and the Hero has a pair AA/KK, a set(QQ,77,22), two-pair (76), FD or a bluff.

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There is no way that Villain is bluffing here. It woudl require an enormous amount of very high level thinking and an intimate knowledge of epdaw's play to thikn he can make him fold an overpair for 110 more in a >300 pot. Villain's line, it seems to me, may as well come with naked women dancing about holding neon signs that read "I HAVE A STRONG HAND"

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Why reraise 67 pf?

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Why reraise 67 pf?

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lol

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epdaws is a badass mofo

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Why reraise 67 pf?

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We were deep enough that my re-raising range is pretty wide, especially against a guy like that. I like to keep him guessing. Notice I have not said that the 76 was suited. whoawhoawhoa [img]/images/graemlins/blush.gif[/img]

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I think you have AA-QQ or AhKh. I probably call with QQ fold AA-KK and cry when folding AhKh with 7 likely outs getting 4:1.

I think villain has a QQ,77,66,22,76s.