$1/$2 Hand from MGM - Play Each Street
 

Effective stacks are $300ish

Villain in this hand is a solid TAG who I played against when I was in Vegas last month. We have been at the table for close to 3 hours and haven't tangled yet.

Hero is dealt Q [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] Q [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] on the button
Folds to villain who opens for $17, which was his standard. He never open limps so his range here is wide A+face, PP, Suited B-ways and occasionally a SC thrown in.

Hero ???? Only the blinds are left to act...

Give me your plan if the flop:

1) Contains an A or a K
2) Contains a Q
3) Is all under cards

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Reraise, maybe to like $50. Cbet almost any flop.

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Reraise to $60 preflop.

Flop:
1) I'd lead for $50 if he doesn't bet. I'd fold to a bet.
2) I raise if he bets and lead for $50 otherwise.
3) Flat-call a bet and re-evaluate on turn, or lead for $50.

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I would reraise. Pot is already $20 and stacks aren't deep enough where you'll have much value in deception with your mid pair postflop, yet deep enough that you don't feel great getting it in on the flop or later against a decent tag. Pretend you're playing 2/4 with 75bb stacks. Calling is okay too offcourse. I hate plans btw.

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I hate plans btw.

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I agree on this point, so I'll just answer the preflop question.

Given your range on him this is a must-raise situation, as he has a lot of hands that are behind you now but can improve, so there's no sense letting him do it cheaply.

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I'd make it 50 PF.

Also I'm sure you already have defaults for those situations, much depends upon EP's action PF / flop and flop texture as well.

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isolate pre

(the following assumes turn and river are blanks)

bet A or K flop if checked to (call if he leads)
turn: check, fold to bet
river: check or call (fold to pot bet)

If Q on flop, same as above, but bet 1/2 pot turn (or reraise all in), get it in on the river

If undercards on flop, call/bet flop (i don't like a raise)
Bet 1/2 pot on turn or call a bet
call/1/2 pot on river

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Hero makes it $60 straight. I assume that he is going to simply call the re-raise in this spot for there to be any meaningful discussion.

I'm going to bet most every flop for the same amount, with the difference being that I'll be in small pot mode with an A or K on the board and big pot mode with a Q.

With all undercards, it will certainly depend on the drawiness of the board and how we've seen villain play combo draws. I'm never really a fan of betting all three streets with unimproved QQ against a decent player as sooner or later, he's going to realize what you have and you won't get any value.

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Villain is a solid TAG who knows how I play. He knows that I like to see flops and outplay people post flop.

He would be able to fold many hands I crush that have little hope to out-flop me (but could flop nice 2nd best hands) and he would 4-bet (or push) anything like AK and JJ+

I smooth called and the blinds folded.

Flop is 5 [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] Q [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 6[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]

Villain bets $30, Hero ????

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you're asking how much to bet on that flop? you have 8,000+ posts?

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Call. You wouldn't raise here with a vulnerable mid pair, or a float. I dunno how he thinks you'll play a draw though..

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you're asking how much to bet on that flop? you have 8,000+ posts?

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I want his stack, not his CB. This guy plays as good, if not better than I do. Playing ABC is going to net me $30 when I'm ahead and lose me my stack if I am behind.

Villain has a wide range. This flop is pretty ragged.
What do I need to be afraid of? What hand can villain hold that he will feel comfortable calling a raise?

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I dunno how he thinks you'll play a draw though..

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He has seen me call a push with a huge combo draw (gutshot, flush plus 2 overs) so he knows I am not afraid to mix it up with a draw.

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minraise him [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]

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With $37 in the pot and a $30 bet to me, I'd raise it to $130 and call a shove.

Part of me wants to slowplay, but there are too many draws here.

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With $37 in the pot and a $30 bet to me, I'd raise it to $130 and call a shove.

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What hand does villain hold that can call a raise or that will shove? 55 or 66? I have that crushed and all the money will get in eventually.

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Playing ABC is going to net me $30 when I'm ahead and lose me my stack if I am behind.

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fwiw, I really doubt you're behind...

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Playing ABC is going to net me $30 when I'm ahead and lose me my stack if I am behind.

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fwiw, I really doubt you're behind...

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Playing ABC is going to net me $30 when I'm ahead and lose me my stack if I am behind.

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fwiw, I really doubt you're behind...

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LOL. True for this hand, but I wanted to emphasize this guy will not stack off without a second best hand.

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you're asking how much to bet on that flop? you have 8,000+ posts?

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Wow, that's annoying.

4_2: You mentioned that you had decent reads on his raising range from past experience. I assume that he accordingly has a good feel for your re-raising range. If it's decently wide, I re-raise the pot here. If not, I call.

On the flop, I'm folding. He has a flush draw and you will lose to a Vegas suckout.

Edit: I'm calling the flop and raising any turn.

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I would have made it $60 to go preflop, fold to a push. Assuming he calls, I will raise all-in on any non-A/K flop if he bets into me or make a $100 bet if checked to (and cry if he pushes). If an A or K flops I will wish I had just called pf like you did in the actual hand.

The way you played preflop, I think you need to raise this flop and hope that he thinks you are trying to pick off his cbet. I'm not certain of the amount, but potish is probably good. I would probably make it $100 on top and call a push. If he just calls, push any turn.

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$75 to go.

If he was CBing with air, this was the end anyway. If he has an overpair or an underset, it was all getting in anyway. If he has QJ, this is a good way to start incrementally pumping the pot so that he will eventually be stuck.

I'm not overly concerned about draws here.

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not meant to be annoying. just thought it was standard. we have a set against a TAG on a two spade flop with no A or K. i raise to build pot now before any cards come on later streets to kill my action. if he folds, oh well - he was likely folding on the turn anyway (unless he makes a flush or a set, but chances of him making a set on turn are so low that it doesn't matter)

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If he was CBing with air, this was the end anyway. If he has an overpair or an underset, it was all getting in anyway. If he has QJ, this is a good way to start incrementally pumping the pot so that he will eventually be stuck.

[/ QUOTE ]42it made it seem like villain can fold an over pair.

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Reraise preflop to $50. Fold to a push. Assuming the action is heads up if he calls...

If the flop...

1) Contains an A or a K
... and villain leads for a large amount, then fold.
... and villian checks, and board is otherwise rags, c-bet for $80.
... and villain checks, and board is "scary" (KQJ, for example), then check behind.

2) Contains a Q
... and villain leads, then call unless there is a possible draw (2-to-a flush, two mid-connected cards like T9) in which case raise 3 times the size of his lead.
... and villain checks, then check unless there is a possible draw (2-to-a flush, two mid-connected cards like T9) in which case make a c-bet of about $80.

3) Is all under cards
... and villain leads, then call.
... and villain checks, then c-bet $80 - call a check/min-raise; fold to a check/big-raise. Things will get sticky if he check-raises and will be read-dependent. Does he really have a set? Or is he going to the felt with an overpair like TT or JJ? Did he fail to 3-bet preflop with KK or AA? Etc.

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If he was CBing with air, this was the end anyway. If he has an overpair or an underset, it was all getting in anyway. If he has QJ, this is a good way to start incrementally pumping the pot so that he will eventually be stuck.

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If we push now, he probably would. But if we make it look like we just have a pair, the opponent may think that it is he who has us crushed.

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If we push now, he probably would. But if we make it look like we just have a pair, the opponent may think that it is he who has us crushed.


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A flop raise here is never 1 pair (atleast in the games I played this week).

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$75 to go.

If he was CBing with air, this was the end anyway. If he has an overpair or an underset, it was all getting in anyway. If he has QJ, this is a good way to start incrementally pumping the pot so that he will eventually be stuck.

I'm not overly concerned about draws here.

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He can get away from an overpair if I raise too much, but I think $75 would have been good.

Hero calls.

Turn (Pot is $95ish) is 5 [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]

Board is 6 [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] Q [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 5[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 5 [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]

Villain checks, Hero ????

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Flop is 5 Q 6

Villain bets $30, Hero ????

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Raise to $100.

Too many draws. Villain might very well have a good hand (Qx, XsXs, lower set, 56s, As Ks, etc). Get the money in while you're ahead. Slow playing on a board like this could get you into more trouble than fast play, I think.

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If you want to gamble, then call the flop. You could slowplay and bet strongly on a safe turn.

It's true, you're only getting paid by 55, 66, a really strong combo draw like 7[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 8[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]. Maybe AQ calls you, but if he's as I doubt he calls my $130 raise with A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img].

I'm not letting a solid player draw out on me, though.

Edited: OP posted turn, so I noted that this post is for the flop.

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I'd bet $50 here and hope he has As or similiar hand.

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He can get away from an overpair if I raise too much, but I think $75 would have been good.

Hero calls.

Turn (Pot is $95ish) is 5

Board is 6 Q 5 5

Villain checks, Hero ????

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Check. Let villain bluff at the river if he doesn't already have enough of a hand to hang himself with already. Raise whatever he bets at the end and hope he has the nut flush or 3 5s, etc.

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$75 to go.

If he was CBing with air, this was the end anyway. If he has an overpair or an underset, it was all getting in anyway. If he has QJ, this is a good way to start incrementally pumping the pot so that he will eventually be stuck.

I'm not overly concerned about draws here.

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He can get away from an overpair if I raise too much, but I think $75 would have been good.

Hero calls.

Turn (Pot is $95ish) is 5 [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]

Board is 6 [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] Q [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 5[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 5 [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]

Villain checks, Hero ????

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I think your only hope in getting villian to put another chip in the pot is if you check now.

<font color="white"> You're going to get 3-outed, aren't you? </font>

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flat call his flop bet but take a little time doing it - make him think you are drawing to something. If you pump it up now he'll likely read you correctly for some made hand and throw whatever he has in the muck.

If he has a worse set it's all going to be in the middle later anyway - I think 2 streets is plenty enough time to get the rest in. Smooth call flop - re-evaluate turn depending on what falls, even if his flush hits we still have 10 outs to pair the board. If he has nothing on the turn he might well throw out some bluff to swell the pot some more, if we raise here he's going to throw away anything we beat and leave us with a modest payout - we have a big hand we want to make this pot big...

[note - I don't play live, and especially not against Vegas pros, so I might be way out of line here - but thats what I'd do.]

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Turn (Pot is $95ish) is 5 [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]

Board is 6 [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] Q [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 5[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 5 [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]

Villain checks, Hero ????

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Yahtzee! - think a while - make a weaksauce looking bet of ~half pot and pray he just hit his flush draw and comes OTT. Then you can push the rest of your stack into the middle, or call and drop the rest in on the river depending on how much he raises it up. We have to build this pot in order to get the rest in on the river there's no way he'll call off lots of chips without a good hand here - if he's got it we get paid - if not we weren't making anything here anyway....

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Board is 6 Q 5 5
Villain checks, Hero ????

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Continue the passive line and check. Hope the river improves his hand or that the check induces a bluff.

Is the river another 5?

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I was going to say half the pot on the turn, but there are a lof of nice cards that could fall on the river (spades, aces, kings) that make a lot of second-best hands that can pay you off, so I would check.

Of course, an ace or a king could give him a better boat.

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When the 5[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] falls on the turn, I agree with Jam that your only play now is to check and obviously raise any river.

Incidentally I think you should raise the flop. He's not folding AA or KK, in fact he could easily threebet you with them, and smooth call/raise the turn is a good way to scare AA and KK off.

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When the 5 falls on the turn, I agree with Jam that your only play now is to check

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1/2 pot on turn, hope he has a spade

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I would probably make it $100 on top and call a push.

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I don't know if calling a push is a good idea...you will probably lose to some major suckout. Pick a better spot.