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-Berge

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good read thanks for the info.

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suuuuuuuweeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeTTTTTTTTTTTTTTT!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!

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ship it

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I hope Party is putting some of that extra drop from Monster into the hands of those good old boys in Washigton

JAque

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this is a far more promising article.


good to hear that the opposition to this bill appears to be more than just rumors.


Not sure about the numbers regarding casino donations, etc.
Wouldn't most (all?) of that be B&M casino corporations?
That figure is kind of misleading imo as some could get the impression that it's ALL coming from the overseas online-sites.

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If PP and PS aren't lining the pockets of every senator up for re-election right now then they deserve to what they get. They may have to be a little tricky about it, but I'm sure there's a way.

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TY JAque,

at last some positive news on the progress of this crazy situation.

At least the US Senate seems to have a bit of a clue regarding things that are actually important.

Not that it makes a great deal of difference to me here in the UK, but it is kind of good to see at least someone in the Senate considered this ridiculous and placed a "hold" on it - great news.

Many thanks,

dave.

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Not that it makes a great deal of difference to me here in the UK

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I does: Less fish in your pond.

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Excellent to see that the sheer hypocrisy of that bill held it up. Now we just have to make it to November so those conservative dickwads can't use it as campaign leverage. It's looking good!

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so those conservative dickwads can't use it as campaign leverage

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I really dont know how many times some of you need to hear that this bill received BI-PARTISAN SUPPORT in the House until you believe it. [img]/images/graemlins/mad.gif[/img]

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And I don't know how many times we need to explain....on party voting 99% and another party voting 60/40%....which one would you rather have in control......give me the 60/40 against.

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And I don't know how many times we need to explain....on party voting 99% and another party voting 60/40%....which one would you rather have in control......give me the 60/40 against.

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Count me with none of the above.

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And I don't know how many times we need to explain....on party voting 99% and another party voting 60/40%....which one would you rather have in control......give me the 60/40 against.

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Count me with none of the above.

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I'm not sure what I'd be willing to do to have a viable Libertarian party, but it's a whole hell of a lot [img]/images/graemlins/frown.gif[/img]

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And I don't know how many times we need to explain....on party voting 99% and another party voting 60/40%....which one would you rather have in control......give me the 60/40 against.

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Also this bill against internet freedom was one of the "Top 10 Priorities" of the house Republican leadership. I am disgusted that so many Democrats voted for this bill, but just about the only people opposing it were freedom loving Democrats like Dingle, Frank, and others. People should realize that this is only the beginning and the conservative right wing Republicans want to turn the internet into one big Disney channel and control what you can read or do on the internet as well.

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I'm not sure what I'd be willing to do to have a viable Libertarian party, but it's a whole hell of a lot [img]/images/graemlins/frown.gif[/img]

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The Libertarian party is nice in theory, but I just believe at this point in history any vote for them is just a 'wasted vote' since they have zero chance of gaining control of the house, senate, and white house.

There are also several tennants of the Libertarian party that are very radical, like abolishing ALL labor laws so there would be no minimum wage, no overtime laws. Also no public funding for education from elementary school to college, no federal air traffic control system, no federal interstate highway system no Federal Drug Administration to at least try and insure the drugs we are taking are safe, no FBI or federal courts, and the list goes on and on. It's nice in theory to believe the private sector would just take over all these functions and do them better than the often incompotent govt. but it just won't happen. The private sector would go back to selling you snake oil in a nano second if they thought they could get away with it. Civilization does require a certain amount of govt. whether we like to admit it or not.

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If PP and PS aren't lining the pockets of every senator up for re-election right now then they deserve to what they get. They may have to be a little tricky about it, but I'm sure there's a way.

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It's America, they don't have to be tricky about it.

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That is encouraging to hear.

I've sent a steady stream of emails/letters to both of my senators. So easy to do on the internet.

As a lifelong Republican, I've threatened to pull the plug and not only vote Democrat in the next election but to donate money if either of my Senators votes for this bill.

Yes, it is a bipartisan bill, but Goodlatte and Kyl seem to be pushing it the most and they are Republican and it seems most of the support is coming from the Republican side of the aisle at this point.

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He didn't say anything about party lines. He said conservative. There are conservative Democrats. There aren't any liberal Republicans.

I'm not claiming to know the voting records of every member of the House, and how they voted on this bill. If I had to make a blind bet, I'd guess that *generally speaking* liberals from left-leaning districts voted against the bill.

If anyone wants to to the research to prove me wrong, please do. Again, it's just a hunch, but the liberals are your friends, here.

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There aren't any liberal Republicans.

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There's Lincoln Chafee, who is more liberal than 3/4 of Democrats.

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Again, it's just a hunch, but the liberals are your friends, here.

[/ QUOTE ]Personally, I wouldn't go that far. They may not be pushing this bill, which might mean they aren't your enemies, but they certainly didn't stand up and fight for you like a friend would.

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That's funny. I almost edited my post to say something like "well, except maybe for Lincoln Chaffee."

That said, I don't think he's more liberal than 75% of Democrats (wouldn't that put him something like 10th most liberal in the Senate?) And even if he were, that wouldn't necessarily qualify him as liberal. There's a big dropoff from the real liberals like Feingold and the wannabes like Hillary Clinton.

Chaffee is pro-choice and pro-environment, which is excellent, but he also voted for cloture on Alito and Roberts, and voted for the bankruptcy bill. An often overlooked point is that simply by putting that (R) next to his name, he endorses Frist as majority leader and conservative heads of the Senate committees.

He can cast all the symbolic votes for Herbert Walker Bush that he wants, but if he were really so upset with his party he could've switched to an (I) like Jeffords did. He probably would've improved his reelection prospects.

Anyway, this may by a moot point in a few months as Sheldon Whitehouse is looking good.

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If they voted against it, then yes, they did.

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If they voted against it, then yes, they did.

[/ QUOTE ]True, but your statement was a generalization that liberals were our friends. The Democrats in the House voted 60%-40% in favor of H.R. 4411. That doesn't sound like they fought too hard on our behalf.

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And I *also* said (very clearly) that not all Democrats are liberals. Looking at the Dem voting percantages doesn't tell you much about how liberals voted. Liberals are a minority within the Democratic party, which (IMHO as a liberal Dem) is unfortunate.

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And I *also* said (very clearly) that not all Democrats are liberals. Looking at the Dem voting percantages doesn't tell you much about how liberals voted. Liberals are a minority within the Democratic party, which (IMHO as a liberal Dem) is unfortunate.

[/ QUOTE ]All I can say is WOW!!! I guess it depends on your perspective and definition of liberal. You're right that not all Democrats are liberal (just as not all Republicans are conservative), but I find it difficult to believe that liberals are the minority of the Democrats in the House. I could be wrong, but color me skeptical.

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it depends on your perspective and definition of liberal.

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In mainstream American political jargon, I would think a liberal is Socialist, Green, ACLU sympathetic, and against all military intervention.

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There aren't any liberal Republicans.

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There's Lincoln Chafee, who is more liberal than 3/4 of Democrats.

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You can't measure Rhode Island politicians on the same scale as the rest of them.

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it depends on your perspective and definition of liberal.

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In mainstream American political jargon, I would think a liberal is Socialist, Green, ACLU sympathetic, and against all military intervention.

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I think you just described Nancy Pelosi.

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it depends on your perspective and definition of liberal.

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In mainstream American political jargon, I would think a liberal is Socialist, Green, ACLU sympathetic, and against all military intervention.

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I think you just described Nancy Pelosi.

[/ QUOTE ]And she voted for H.R. 4411. That's one known liberal who isn't our friend.

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Not quite.

Generally speaking:

Liberals do not oppose all military action. For example, most liberals I know supported military action in Afghanistan. Every liberal I know opposed the Iraq war because it was (amongst other things) pre-emptive. Yes, liberals are green, and we do loves us some ACLU.

Liberals are not, by definition, capital-S socialists, but some socialist principles are shared by liberals. We believe that health care is a basic right. We believe in a progressive tax structure. We believe in a living wage. Liberals also believe that the government has a duty to help people who really need it. Liberals are populists who fight for the working class (this last one is what disqulaifies too many Democrats.)

In addition, liberals are:

for balanced budgets
for secular government
for affirmative action.
for significant corporate regulation.
pro-choice.
pro-sex education in public school.
pro-science.
against the death penalty
supportive of full equality for the gay community.
overall social libritarians

...and that's just off the top of my head.

Any other crazy lefties want to add to the list? [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]

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Liberals are "overall social libertarians" ??? Are you kidding ?

Liberals are:

FOR political interference with the self interest of individuals within whatever political state they are from

AGAINST economic freedom of choice

FOR significant government interference with and limitation of personal choices and expression.

It is no wonder so many liberals supported HR4411. They may not have pushed it, like the religious right, but they did not give a rat's ass for personal choice.

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MF,

I like the fact that the politics and legislation forums are distinct, so I don't want to pick a fight with you.

But I never said anything about liberals being economic libritarians. Also, I'm not sure where you get the idea that liberals are against "freedom of expression." Unless you and I have very different ideas of what that means (and we might) you couldn't be more wrong.

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...and they shut down the politics forum because people couldnt have rational discussions that did not involve personal attacks, continual inappropriate comments/links, etc.

I don't mind discourse, but I am unable to allow that type of thing going on here if it goes into too much negativity. Feel free to continue this one (I'm tempted to insert my 2 cents) just keep it clean

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Hmm...Pelosi talks a good game, but I've been unimpressed.

Anyway, I've given this more thought. And while I do think that liberals are your best bet, I also think that this is one of those issues where personal feelings towards gambling will likely trump political ideology often enough to make things unpredictable.

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It depends on the definition of Liberal you are using.

Libertarians LONG considered themselves "Liberal." However in recent years they have had to spend a ton of time distinguishing themselves from the liberal democrats of today

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Anyway, I've given this more thought. And while I do think that liberals are your best bet, I also think that this is one of those issues where personal feelings towards gambling will likely trump political ideology often enough to make things unpredictable.

[/ QUOTE ]Now that I'll agree with. I also think that the Republicans have a harder time voting against this bill (even if they believe that this is no place for government intervention) because they don't want to alienate the social conservative portion of their base. The Democrats are a little freer to vote their conscience on the issue, though I'm sure it depends on their district.

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the liberal demonrats of today

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This must be that intelligent discource that Berge was talking about. Way to elevate.

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Yes, exactly what I was referring to....

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My Apologies. I was trying to use the appropriate word in the corresponding context. Had I been commenting on a positive aspect of the Democratic Party, I would have used the word "democrat" instead.

"1. Demonrat

Proper name for what many people call a member of the U.S. Democratic party, who believes in being soft on crime, soft on national defense and terrorism, and extra rights for minorities and women. They basically also believe in communism, socialism, penalizing the productive thru progressive and high taxes, stealing from the earners and producers, and giving free money to the lazy and the non-producers. They have also basically brainwashed the public, for no working person in their right mind would vote for this crap.

Al Gore is a liberal demonrat."

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