Phil Helmuth disrespect
 

Let me first start by saying that I am not a big Helmuth fan. I do give him credit for his wins. I was playing day 2b when he busted and the guy on the PA announced that he had busted very snotty like so that everyone could cheer. I couldn't even bring myself to cheer because I thought that this was very disrespectful to someone that had just won their tenth bracelet. Hours later when Doyle busted there was some cheering but it was the respect filled cheering. They waited till he was out of the room and announced it then brought him back in for some more respect and cheering. Now I know that Doyle has been around for decades but if anyone is keeping score Helmuth does have as many braclets as Doyle. I just think it was in pretty bad taste the way they handled it. It also makes me sick to stick up for Phil.

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From what I have seen, as a person, Phil Helmuth doesn't deserve any respect.

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LOL. Like you know him. You can't even spell his name correctly. You could maybe say that, at the table, he's a brat sometimes. But away from the table? I'm wondering what experiences you've had with him to make this statement.

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Why do people try to find a corelation between when someone does somthing well and what kind of person they are?

Yes Phill is a bratt in every aspect of the word. big deal, he is a poker player not a politician (he doesnt lie convincing enough)

He just needs to meet with Terrell Owens and complain to each other how they are so misunderstood

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From what I have seen, as a person, Phil Helmuth doesn't deserve any respect.

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LOL. Like you know him. You can't even spell his name correctly. You could maybe say that, at the table, he's a brat sometimes. But away from the table? I'm wondering what experiences you've had with him to make this statement.

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I'm pretty sure his disclaimer "from what I have seen" covers his ass.

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Phil Helmuth is just such a baby it is hilarious. I love to watch him on TV. As for the people celebrating when he got knocked out, well, hellmuth earned it.

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From what I have seen, as a person, Phil Helmuth doesn't deserve any respect.

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LOL. Like you know him. You can't even spell his name correctly. You could maybe say that, at the table, he's a brat sometimes. But away from the table? I'm wondering what experiences you've had with him to make this statement.

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I'm pretty sure his disclaimer "from what I have seen" covers his ass.

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I should have also put a disclaimer that I only spelled his name exactly how it was spelled in this thread and that 1) I don't really know how it is spelled and 2) It doesn't even [censored] matter anyways

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Phil Hellmuth builds his image so that he can make more money.

He can f-ing deal with the cons of making an ass of himself at the table. I don't feel sorry for him.

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"It is not who i am underneath, but what i do that defines me"

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Phil Hellmuth builds his image so that he can make more money.

He can f-ing deal with the cons of making an ass of himself at the table. I don't feel sorry for him.

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Well, he just doesn't work on getting better about berating opponents because he thinks it makes him even MORE visible and marketable, but I think he has likely hit a mass density of recognition he can get from being an ass, and to an extent has realized it, and really tries hard to be better but now can't help it. Seeing him on the WPT bad Boys 2, you almost felt sorry for all the chit they were giving him, also on High stakes poker. I'm sure he hates being known as King of the tourney donks, and wants to be recognized as not only a great poker player overall, but a great human being too.

He has not only made his bed, but he has also capitalized heavily on it, so whatever comes with it, IMHO, he deserves.

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Phil seems to be the nicest pro away from the table.

Copyright: Fans and pros.

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Your avatar is out of this world.

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MOre importantly,
Hey chezwiz75 would u happen to know the name of that nice young woman in ur avatar?

google up and waiting.

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Fans boo A-Rod and Bonds when they step to the plate in away parks too.

Part of it is envy, and part of it is having a public persona that is less than endearing. Steroids, greed, infantile brattiness. It's an excuse to dislike the person.

To the OP - in the context of the game itself, and the competition of the WSOP, in the manner that Hellmuth treats his fellow competitors, do you think he's somehow earned their respect?

I wouldn't care if his arms were mummified with bracelets, personally.

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I was playing day 2b when he busted

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Do you work for Cardplayer? On day 1b they said it was Day 1a. You're on day 2b already? Damn you're fast [img]/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img]

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Hey chezwiz75 would u happen to know the name of that nice young woman in ur avatar?

google up and waiting.

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Gah, she has her own site, something alliterative, I think, can't come up with it tho.

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Well, he just doesn't work on getting better about berating opponents because he thinks it makes him even MORE visible and marketable, but I think he has likely hit a mass density of recognition he can get from being an ass, and to an extent has realized it, and really tries hard to be better but now can't help it

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Listen to the interview with Mark Kroon on the archived podcasts at Bluffmagazine.com. He says he played with Hellmuth growing up, and Phil really hasn't changed since the old days. I doubt he berates players to push an image. I think it is just his style, or lack thereof.

I agree, he tries, but fails to change his behavior. Almost to an uncomfortable level, because it seems so insincere (whether or not it is).

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I'm sure that Phil was very deeply offended by this. So offended that he went home and took a nap on a huge pile of cash.

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That's horrible! I can't see why Hellmuth isn't treated with as much respect as Brunson.

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Hellmuth invites the disrespect deliberately with the image he cultivates. I'm sure he understands that.

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Hellmuth invites the disrespect deliberately with the image he cultivates. I'm sure he understands that.

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What he does is very similar to a WWF verbal stunt.

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Hellmuth invites the disrespect deliberately with the image he cultivates. I'm sure he understands that.

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What he does is very similar to a WWF verbal stunt.

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I have sat with people who have sat with him. I won't give direct quotes, but he is not well liked.

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Phil Helmuth is just such a baby it is hilarious. I love to watch him on TV. As for the people celebrating when he got knocked out, well, hellmuth earned it.

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Helmuth has spent years cultivating the image as the "poker brat". This is his claim to fame. Regardless of what he's "really like", this is the persona that has made him popular. The fact that people cheered when he busted out just means that people still love to hate him. This is the type of reaction that he expects and wants.

Pity him as much as you'd pity the "bad guy" in WWE wrestling.

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Of course I've never met Hellmuth in person, and I'm sure he's nice to his wife, old ladies, and puppies, but he is a complete [censored] whenever I see him on TV.

He is an insecure jerk who wants everybody to know what a great player he is and what an idiot every other player is. The "this guy can't even spell poker" diatribe was one of the most assholish things I've seen anyone do, and I can't believe he continues to get away with this type of crap.

Great player? Obviously. Deserving of respect? [censored] that.

He is poker's version of Barry Bonds--a serious [censored] with serious game.

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I see beratement in every tourney I play. Watching it snowball is a nice subplot between hands. Many posts on this forum berate players ..."villain is a DonkTard..." etc. Beratement can be an effective slap to the face/motivator to improve one's play once the verbal dust settles. I like the open honesty of Hellmuth, saying what everyone thinks (or says to a friend) at one time or another. I have not heard him go over the line once. He is a GREAT HE tourney player with some self esteem issues. His is one of many ecclectic personalities that make poker fun. Don't get me wrong, Lederer,Ferguson and especially Raymer are great ambassadors of Poker but the flavor Hellmuth brings is undeniable.

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PH does what it takes to get noticed and on TV. He probably makes more $$$ through endorsements, books, dvds, his poker camp, etc than any other player today.

On top of that he is still a top level player, as shown by his final tables, and 10th bracelet this year.

Respect him or not, you can't say he isn't a damn good player.

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Respect Phil Helmuth or not, you cannot say that chezwiz does not have my alltime favorite avator.

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i played with him.. he's not that bad

even though he did offer to play me head up for a million after the tournament

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i played with him.. he's not that bad

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what provoked the HU challenge?

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me beating him in every big pot we played

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1. Resonably trustworthy sources put Hellmuth as a resonably nice guy away from the table.

2. He ain't at the poker table.

3. This image has allowed him to sell himself for a great deal of money.

4. He could change his image (albeit gradually) if he wanted to.

Therefore, no need to feel too badly for him. The comparison with a WWE villian is an apt one.

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The wrestling heel analogy is perfect. That's what Hellmuth tries to be. I think a TRUE fan of Hellmuth would boo him (or cheer when he busts out of a tourney).

What's he like in real life? Who knows? Same can be said for Sheikhan and Matusow, as well as Harmon and Greenstein. Hell, for all most of us know, Sheikhan could be a much more caring, good-hearted person than Greenstein.

Poker is poker. Real life need not bear any resemblance.

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He plays the roll of bad guy and he plays it to make money. If he is going to play the roll then he must accept the fact the people don't like him and cheer against him. He was probably perfectly fine with the respone so why would it bother you?

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I talked with Phil a few times briefly and he always treated me (and everyone else I saw him associate with) with respect. Until the tournament, that was another story lol.

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I've had the pleasure/displeasure of working with PH during a few different poker show tapings. His behaviour at the table is not an act. He IS that bratty and self-invloved. He's incredibly, ridiculously narccisitic (sp?). So much so, he's like a cartoon character, and as such, impossible to take seriously.

Strangely enough, despite all that, he's still likable!

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"Phil Helmuth is just a goofball." ~ Barry Greenstein.

I think that just about says it all.

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"Phil Helmuth is just a goofball." ~ Barry Greenstein.

I think that just about says it all.

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"...a goofball that catches cards." -- Sam Grizzle

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...but if anyone is keeping score Helmuth does have as many braclets as Doyle.

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...but a lot fewer friends and almost no respect.

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...but if anyone is keeping score Helmuth does have as many braclets as Doyle.

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...but a lot fewer friends and almost no respect.

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Helmuth is primarily a NLHE tournament player. Doyle is primarily a cash game player, and is a more successful and accomplished player than Helmuth. Helmuth plays well against amateur players, which is probably why he specializes in tournaments.

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Of course I've never met Hellmuth in person, and I'm sure he's nice to his wife, old ladies, and puppies, but he is a complete [censored] whenever I see him on TV.

He is an insecure jerk who wants everybody to know what a great player he is and what an idiot every other player is. The "this guy can't even spell poker" diatribe was one of the most assholish things I've seen anyone do, and I can't believe he continues to get away with this type of crap.

Great player? Obviously. Deserving of respect? [censored] that.

He is poker's version of Barry Bonds--a serious [censored] with serious game.

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I've never heard Phil Hellmuth telling 8 year old boys to "[censored] Off" when asking for an autograph.

You know obviously know NOTHING about Bonds and Hellmuth away from the field and table, so just keep your trap shut.

Hellmuth is good friends with MANY, MANY pros and a very nice guy away from the table.

Bonds is an [censored], on the field, off the field, and wherever he is. This has been confirmed by about a couple hundred people in "Love Me/Hate Me".

I've never heard a single person comment that Phil was abrassive or rude to anybody away from the table.

The only people who probably have a problem with Phil away from the table are those with confrontational/bully personalities, such as Sam Grizzle.

Phil says what he thinks. There's not a person in here who hasn't ranted to themselves, "God what a [censored] idiot, I can't believe that guy just did that." Pnil lets it out at the table, that's his one vice.

Get off his case. There are far worse [censored] in the poker world than Hellmuth.