Should I quit due to excessive bad beats???
 

I play online, mostly at PokerTime.com. Lately about the last 2 weeks I have just been getting bad beat-ed to death. I played 16 1-table tournies and got bad beat-ed out of 12 of them. I consider a bad beat when u r a 80% fave or better. Needless to say I was thoroughly disgusted. Anyways, that cost me about $200, playing 5,10, and $20 !-table tournies. So I decide to go back to the cash game, low limit, just the 50c/$1 NL table.
In a matter of 5 days i am just getting bad beat-ed all over the place, it was just killing me, costing me about another $200. So last night was just the killer for me, I have stayed patient throughtout this whole ordeal saying to myself "its just a phase, luck comes and goes, it will all even out" however what happened to me last night has just left me bewildered and broken.

NOTE : all this happend in about a 2hr span.
I'll describe these hands as briefly as possible not to bore u
Hand #1 - I have pocket 10's, I flop a 10, bet hard get a caller, after turn there are 3 diamonds on board, I go allin for around $100, guy calls me with a 4 of diamonds!!, just a 4, and spikes a dia on the river and wins a $270 pot off me. Horrible decision by the other player and just another sht beat for me. Horrible player gets rewarded for a horrible decision while I bust out to a 4 card flush with trip 10's

Hand #2 - I have pocket Jacks, I raise to $7 preflop. Another player goes all in for roughly $65. I call, (bad call by me, I know, but not when he flips his cards over), he shows pocket 3's. YES!!!!! right?, no, as u guessed it, he flops a 3 and busts me, another $140 pot screwed out of.

hand #3 - Im holding KK, I raise preflop to $5 get a couple callers, the board comes out all low cards and a guy bets all in $90 at me, I call. He turns over a total bluff, he has Ace-8, no pair, no draw, nothing. U guessed it, he turns an ace and busts me. Another $200 pot Im screwed out of. Now I am just livid. One more hand and thats it

Hand #4 - Im holdong pocket 5's, I call a modest $3 preflp raise. BAM, i spike a 5 on the flop. Guy bets $10 at me and I raise him to $30, he calls and the turn is a blank. He goes all in for like $120, I call. He turns over QJ\(top 2 pr), I am sitting there with a set, a 90% fave. BAM he rivers a Jack and busts me out of a $250 pot. unreal!!!

Right now I am so bitter and so overwhelmed I am just angry. Now I believe these pros arent even really incredible players, but just good players who get lucky or moreso, just dont get unlucky. Im not claiming to be anywhere near that level but I just dont know what more I could have done and what better positions I could ask to be in only to just get screwed out of all my $$. Now ive been bad beat-ed so much it would take me weeks to try to recover all these losses assuming I just dont get bad beat-ed again.

The thing I want some feedback on is this, I have a couple questions,
1) Am I just an unlucky person and it will always be this way so I should just stop now instead of thinking it will even out??
2) Is this just a phase I have to go thru?? and if so, How does anyone turn a profit when this is always happening???
3) is the internet just rigged or just so stupid I should forsake internet poker all together??

Sorry for the HUGE post but i just am so frustrated, bitter, pissed, and everything I just want answers for gettung fcked up and down the block for the last 2 weeks, its basically an insurmountable hill for me now.
thanks for any responses I may get

Re: Should I quit due to excessive bad beats???
 

You're focusing on the wrong problem. In all four hands, you got to a good position. You had put up less than half the money in the pot, and had about an 80% chance of winning it. Of course you'll lose 20% of these, but in the long run you'll make a lot of money. If you just told me about these four hands, without the frustration, I would say you must have had a great night since you should have had 16 other hands where you made a lot of money.

Where are those 16 hands? That's the question. Forget about the hands you played right (or at least got to a good position). You don't want to change those, even if they cost you money in the end. Look at the other hands to see if you went wrong somewhere, and missed opportunities for profit.

Re: Should I quit due to excessive bad beats???
 

tl;dr

I read the title, though. If you are considering quitting poker due to excessive bad beats, then yes, you should quit.

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This is my complaint Aaron. I am NEVER winning when I am in these GREAT situations. I am fine losing 20% of the time, but i am losing 90-100% of the time, its ridiculous. All the other meaningless hands I played dont mean anything, we're talking 20-30 dollar swings, these hands cost me over $600 and i lost EVERY 1 of them, just like I lost 12 of 16 tournies to the same garbage. It doesnt matter to me if i am playing all these hands perfectly, Im still gonna be in the shtter due to all these bad beats.

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i mean, being in great position doesnt mean anything if you NEVER win when youre in this position

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LEGENDARY, this is why I explained my situation so I didnt get a short-sighted answer like yours. I jst dont understand how to get "over" these beats when they dont stop.

Re: Should I quit due to excessive bad beats???
 

I reread your post again Aaron and what Im saying is this, yes i should have had 16 other hands where i won but I didnt, these were my hands to win and I got screwed, what is a guy to do????

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Okay. I've read your entire post now. I stand by my initial response. If you cannot handle bad beats, don't play poker. They happen. Get used to it or quit. It's that simple.

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in other words, its not your nonstop bad beats, so "who cares!!"
Thanks for nothing

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I think this is in the wrong forum, but assuming it isn't - here is my take.
Hand #1 - while you got your money in best - if you go back over the hand - i don't know exactly what you bet on the flop, but who is to say the guy didn't call with a diamond draw? When the third diamond hit, and you put all in - normally if you get called - you are losing. While you did get your money in best, you could have played it better - say a $40 bet on the turn, and saved $60 - because i assume you wouldn't have bet $60 at a 4 diamond board.
Hand 2 - it was a bad call, but why did you raise so high (7xBB) preflop? Don't you have a set raise (or two) so that people can never tell what you are holding? Plus, its Jacks, it was a bad call - usually you are going to be way behind with that call - but you ended up way ahead and lost. Some of that is just bad luck, more likely - the guy probably figured he could get you to fold your initial bet with a massive reraise - and he was wrong. This one was just bad luck - nothing more
Hand 3 - You raised $5 preflop and the flop came out rags. Somebody went all in - what do they usually turn over at the level you play at in this scenario? AK? TT-JJ? A set? I would have at least said to myself - hmmm - is this a set? But, regardless- you made the right call and lost - this one happens. He probably put you on a hand you would fold - AK, AQ, or some lower PP that didn't set. Of course you were ahead and you got way behind. BTW, how do you play it if they check the flop - what are you betting? How are you playing the turn after the ace? Can you fold KK? Most people think they can, but look at the plays you have made so far (JJ for something like $58 preflop and you pushed on a 3 diamond board with a set on the turn). My point is, i think there is a chance you are all in on this hand regardless of when it goes in.
Hand - 4 this is the only hand you can say was a true beat. I have lost this way - everyone has lost this way. You were lucky he held 2 pair, so you could get him all in. That is ideal for you. Don't sweat this one. My only question - what position were you in when you called the PFR? What position was the raiser in? You are only going to hit the set once every 8 times, and you are likely to be playing a flop with at least two overcards, so depending on your post flop play and reads, you may want to let 5's go preflop to a 3xbb bet. I wouldn't however, and I would have lost my stack on this hand. BTW, i am assuming he flopped top two on this hand, because you say the turn was a blank. Can you really blame him for his play? One more question - was he the original raiser?

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in other words, its not your nonstop bad beats, so "who cares!!"
Thanks for nothing

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I'm serious. If you can't take it, don't play poker. Everyone experiences bad beats. Everyone experiences them in a far worse fashion than what you have described in your post if they play poker long enough. EVERYONE.

No, you are not the unluckiest person in the world. No, online poker isn't rigged.

You asked, "Should I quit?" I am giving you an honest answer. If you can't deal with bad beats, yes, you should quit.

When you post stuff that has nothing to do with Poker Theory in the Poker Theory forum rather than the Beats, Brags, and Variance forum where it belongs, expect this.

Re: Should I quit due to excessive bad beats???
 

I appreciate your response but to me it all comes down to IM ALWAYS WAYYY AHEAD AND IM GETTING SCREWED , THERES NOTHING TO CHANGE THIS FACT. I WAS AHEAD IN EVERY HAND, THATS THE BOTTOM LINE, NOT POSITION, NOT RAISES AND CALLS, THE CARDS TURNED OVER, IM 80%++++ AND I LOSE, HORRIBLE

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Youre right about ypur last point, when I ask the public a question, be ready for the [censored] responses cuz thats what most people today are like, thats fine

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a s s hole was the word i used

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Youre right about ypur last point, when I ask the public a question, be ready for the [censored] responses cuz thats what most people today are like, thats fine

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Trust me. You should quit.

Re: Should I quit due to excessive bad beats???
 

I think i will quit, lol
I dont want to play a game thats 80% luck and 20% skill, Thank you

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Thanks for all the responses though, shall your luck be good, contrary to mine, GL to you, you will need it, LOL

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I don't think you should quit.

I think you should play at my table.

Re: Should I quit due to excessive bad beats???
 

Well thanks evryone, Im done with the posts. thanks for all the responses, sarcastic or not, its made me open my eyes, too much luck involved for me. Take care and GL to everyone.

Sorry if I was rude or short with some of you, this has just been so frustratind and ridiculous to deal with its gotten me crazy. 80% faves losing 90% of the time just doesnt add up, Ive waited and waited for it to come around and it wont so Im done, GL

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Should I quit due to excessive bad beats???

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uh huh.

Re: Should I quit due to excessive bad beats???
 

If you're playing winning poker, the beats should be painful, but they should be outshadowed by all the small (or large) victories when your opponents didn't hit their cards. If you're making +EV decisions, you should be happy when your opponents make mistakes.

Take a look at your other hands, and if you can say honestly : "I am playing good poker" then continue.

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I just realised you're playing play money.

you should be able to win more than you lose to bad beats on play moeny tables, perhaps it will take time.

ps - post in the right forum next time.

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Ouuuch! Understand u´re angry! Think u know the answers to all three questions allready (no, yes and it´s not allways happening, no). My advice is to play limit poker to build u´re bankroll. The swings are much bigger in NL. Play limit and cool down!

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My advice is to play limit poker to build u´re bankroll. The swings are much bigger in NL. Play limit and cool down!

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Completely false. The swings are bigger in limit.

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My advice is to play limit poker to build u´re bankroll. The swings are much bigger in NL. Play limit and cool down!

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Completely false. The swings are bigger in limit.

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lots of people say this but I still don't understand why....

Re: Should I quit due to excessive bad beats???
 

Yes, if you can't handle them.

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Because you can make up for a downswing in one hand playing NL.

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just have a break and/or drop down a level and rebuild your br.

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in other words, its not your nonstop bad beats, so "who cares!!"
Thanks for nothing

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Shut up! I am a pro, and almost every day I have a period where I lose more to bad beats than you have lost on all those hands combined. My point being, you try to make the odds go in your favor. Often you lose money, even if you get the odds in your favor, since it is ODDS, not cash. If you can't handle the truth, don't come here asking for it. If you can't handle, that you can only influence the odds and not directly your earn, quit poker.

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Because you can make up for a downswing in one hand playing NL.

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Or you can double that downswing in one hand.

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Because you can make up for a downswing in one hand playing NL.

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Or you can double that downswing in one hand.

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As long as there is more than 2 players, the potential win of a single hand is always higher than the potential loss though [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img].

Re: Should I quit due to excessive bad beats???
 

Just another case of someone who feels entitled to a pot just because they were favored. If you can't handle it, then you should quit. I'm serious. You obviously have a lot to learn about poker.

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My advice is to play limit poker to build u´re bankroll. The swings are much bigger in NL. Play limit and cool down!

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Completely false. The swings are bigger in limit.

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Even for a losing player?

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Re: Should I quit due to excessive bad beats???
 

I used to say the same thing when reading these posts. After a two month downswing down 170BB's on 21,000 hands... Its pretty frustrating. Sets cracked to higher sets, fullhouses cracked to quads, hit my set on the river and hits someone's gutshot that had no business being there in the first place.

Its alot different when its happening to you. IT SUCKS!!! To answers any questions, I was a 2BB winner until 2 months ago.

To the OP, just gotta play through it. Get pokertracker if you don't have it, go over your stats, replay hands. But as Banks said, if you cant handle the beats...

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bad beats happen to everyone. how do you think the best players in the world lose. study your initial betting habits and try changing it to a less aggressive manner. by doing this some of these pots will seem less attractive to your opponent to try to outright buy them. then when you get a monster you will get paid off

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play higher limits, fewer donkeys

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play higher limits, fewer donkeys

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I'm hoping this is joke. If it isn't you should keep in mind that the goal of playing poker is not to avoid bad beats. Your goal should be to make money. Better opponents will give out fewer bad beats, but they also give away fewer chips. The games that are filled with donkeys, are the most profitable games to play in.

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Have you sent an e-mail to the site's support e-mail? Maybe something is wrong with the shuffle. [img]/images/graemlins/smirk.gif[/img]

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Or.. maybe the players are CHEATING!! Maybe they're hacking the server, and can SEE THE FLOP BEFORE IT HAPPENS!!! I'd get out man, they're trying to screw you!!! [img]/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img] [img]/images/graemlins/smirk.gif[/img] [img]/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img] [img]/images/graemlins/smirk.gif[/img] [img]/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img] [img]/images/graemlins/smirk.gif[/img] [img]/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img] [img]/images/graemlins/smirk.gif[/img] [img]/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img] [img]/images/graemlins/smirk.gif[/img] [img]/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img] [img]/images/graemlins/smirk.gif[/img] [img]/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img] [img]/images/graemlins/smirk.gif[/img] [img]/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img] [img]/images/graemlins/smirk.gif[/img] [img]/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img] [img]/images/graemlins/smirk.gif[/img] [img]/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img] [img]/images/graemlins/smirk.gif[/img] [img]/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img] [img]/images/graemlins/smirk.gif[/img] [img]/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img] [img]/images/graemlins/smirk.gif[/img]

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You can't bet people out of the pot as easily at limit therefore bad players will stay in the pot for longer so you'll suffer more bad beats. More bad beats = greater variance.