Once...Twice....Three times a donkey?
 

Villian's stats are very fishy: 43/0/1.3. Don't have a real specific read other than I've noticed him along for the ride in a lot of pots

Not sure if I've ever had someone donk me 3 times before and wanted to see if others would have played this the same as me. Would especially love to see what people would do on the river.

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Preflop: Hero is CO with Q[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img].
<font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, UTG+1 calls, <font color="#666666">2 folds</font>, MP2 calls, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises</font>, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, SB calls, BB calls, UTG+1 calls, MP2 calls.

Flop: (10 SB) 4[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 3[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 8[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(5 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">SB bets</font>, BB calls, UTG+1 folds, MP2 folds, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises</font>, SB calls, BB calls.

Turn: (8 BB) 3[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">SB bets</font>, BB folds, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises</font>, SB calls.

River: (12 BB) K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">SB bets</font>, Hero.....

Re: Once...Twice....Three times a donkey?
 

Might as well raise again. This guy looks stupid enough to call plenty of times with a worse hand.

Re: Once...Twice....Three times a donkey?
 

If he's "along for the ride" most of the time and now he's betting, he probably has a pretty good hand! Hope he shows you 84 for the counterfeited 2 pair [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]

Re: Once...Twice....Three times a donkey?
 

A VPIP of 43 and AF of 1.3 doesn't sound like someone that is a long for the ride a lot.

The triple donk indicates he has something. Whether that something is K8, 34, flush, 89, 22 or what I'm not sure without a read on what he has donked with before. Without a read I think I call and then take good notes.

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Without a read beyond his stats, I think I'm going to call on the river after a third donk. The flop and turn raises I think are fine, you certainly have the equity, but by the river, I'm starting to get worried he has trips, the flush, or a set. He may also have two-pair, but without a read, I can't be too sure. Call and hope for the best.

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I would have called the turn and river bet.

Its possible that SB was donking the turn, when a scare card that paired the board and made 3 cards to a flush fell.

However, its also possible that SB made the flush, and raising will cost you more to see a showdown.

Generally speaking, I think that players are more likely to have a strong hand when they bet as opposed to call.

Anyway the K overcard would not stop me from calling on the river, if you were concerned about that. I think its unlikely that the K would have improved your opponents hand.

Re: Once...Twice....Three times a donkey?
 

What the heck do you donk bet 3 times with and don't re-raise? Some people just amaze me.

Have you seen this guy bluff a lot at pots before? Or bet out small holdings vs a PFR? I'm thinking I'm just calling the river donk. I'm guessing he has some of the flop, real question is how little. K, flush or 3 all beat you. I'm hoping he's betting an 8 or Ace of clubs/8.

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I would have called the turn and river bet.

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That turn card sucks in a few different ways.

Are you calling down or folding to a 3-bet on this turn?

Re: Once...Twice....Three times a donkey?
 

just call the river... I get this so much, i re raise safe card on river tho

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I would have called the turn and river bet.

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That turn card sucks in a few different ways.

Are you calling down or folding to a 3-bet on this turn?

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I would not have raised my opponent's turn bet. I would have called down instead.

If I had raised my opponent's turn bet, then I would have folded to a 3-bet.

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I would have called the turn and river bet.

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That turn card sucks in a few different ways.

Are you calling down or folding to a 3-bet on this turn?

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I would not have raised my opponent's turn bet. I would have called down instead.

If I had raised my opponent's turn bet, then I would have folded to a 3-bet.

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Sorry, didnt mean you Fantam. I am with you on calling down from turn donk.

Was meaning to ask OP what he does when 3-bets on the turn?

Re: Once...Twice....Three times a donkey?
 

villain has an 8. don't raise though.

i wouldn't be shocked if villain's exact hand were K[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 8x

good turn raise.

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Raise it up. This guy seems extremely weak and it looks like you have this one won.

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Raise it up. This guy seems extremely weak and it looks like you have this one won.

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umm.. if he's weak but he's bettin, shouldn't that be scaring you a bit?

Re: Once...Twice....Three times a donkey?
 

*Grunching*

Hmmm, so we have an LP leading out on a semi-oatmeal board 4/3/8 - 2 flush.

I smell top-medium pair, Ax. V is b/c your raises which tells me a flush draw is possible, but V's not raising, so I can't say for sure.

There was another post similar to this one except V was in position and calling down. Everyone said to b/f the river (with a few saying to b/c). Following the same logic as that post, this should probably be a raise as well. If V 3-bets, I don't mind a fold. I can't possibly think V suspects you're bluffing given your show of strengh.

Here's the other post: http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/showth...&amp;PHPSESSID=

I agree with the way you played this hand.

In general, V hasn't given you a reason to think your hand isn't best. Agains a player who likes to call alot raising is the best thing here, you'll get paid off most of the time. But take the bad with the good when you're occasionally beaten.

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Raise it up. This guy seems extremely weak and it looks like you have this one won.

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umm.. if he's weak but he's bettin, shouldn't that be scaring you a bit?

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His stats are what would lead me to raise. I could see this guy holding A8 or something. I personally think we have this hand won.

Re: Once...Twice....Three times a donkey?
 

Its almost impossible to narrow down this guys' range to a reasonable amount of hands. He could have any pocket pair, some weird flush draw, even connectors (suited and unsuited). Lots of morons will donk on all the way if they're happy with their hand, regardless if they get raised (remember, they dont care/have any idea what YOU have!). You might well be good here, but personally I'd slow down on the river and just call it down expecting to see cards I didnt expect. [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]

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I'd expect him to have an 8 always. Just call and hope it isn't K8. Turn raise is a must versus this guy.

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It's near impossible to put this guy on any specific hand. I can pick 20 winning wons and 20 losing ones. The stats aren't useful except he is agressive over who knows how many hands. If the read is good, then why is someone who is along for the ride, leading into 4 other players one of whom was the pfr? Then donking left and right on a scary board. Since I would have no clue what the heck he had and would not fold to a 3bet, so I'm for calling the final river donk and expect to see the amazing 75 of clubs.

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Might as well raise again. This guy looks stupid enough to call plenty of times with a worse hand.

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Which is quite possibly what he's saying as he bets flop, turn, river with his set of eights [img]/images/graemlins/wink.gif[/img]

Re: Once...Twice....Three times a donkey?
 

*grunch*

i think the best move is to just call on the end, as its pretty tough to put the sb on any hand at all. maybe this is a bit weak tight though.